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[CroGamer002]

Also this is the future and not USA so military ranks work different.


Military branch work different as well so I don't think there is army, navy, airforce and marines which we have today in USA, but instead there's just 1 branch that is combination of all of those.


Also military ranks in Mass Effect's Alliance were made from Canadian military, not USA military.

[CptData]

Mesina2 wrote...

Also this is the future and not USA so military ranks work different.


Military branch work different as well so I don't think there is army, navy, airforce and marines which we have today in USA, but instead there's just 1 branch that is combination of all of those.


Also military ranks in Mass Effect's Alliance were made from Canadian military, not USA military.

Think they pretty much follow tradition patterns but at least they got rid of 5 different "General ranks". Think you only need two or max three: Brigadier General, General, Surpreme Commander.
Same for navy: Rear Admiral, Admiral, Fleet Admiral.

In best case a military hierarchy can be reduced to this:

- Serviceman / Private
- Chief / Sergeant
- Lieutenant
- Captain
- General

And every rank between named ranks are gone. Still works fine.

But that's an entirely different topic. ME comes with the well known hierarchy and it seems to be okay so far.


BTW: know what I disliked in Star Wars? Every main character gets promoted to a high rank - even if he's only a farmer's son on Tatooine with just a few good missions in his career. General Solo? Commander Skywalker? That's not how promotions work. And BW takes the same route in ME ... hope Shepard won't get promoted to "General". Doesn't fit to him/her imo.

Modifié par CptData, 28 novembre 2011 - 11:21 .

[Yezdigerd]

Pride Demon wrote...

It is actually General/Admiral (as in, they have the same worth but are mutually exclusive)...
As for Kaidan, no he is not an Admiral technically, he is a Major, but Major is equivalent to Rear Admiral in the Alliance Command Structure, which means he has as much political/military pull as Mikhalovich had in ME1, however he is not in the Navy (Real Admiral), but rather in the Marines (Major), just like Shepard...
So in battle he mainly leads the men in the field, rather than ships in space...

According to the wiki, major is the same rank as captain. general is the same as rear admiral, so Mikhalovich would outrank Alenko.

[CroGamer002]

^Well, Shepard and his crew had quite a bunch of successful missions and most of them already had high ranks before ME1 even started.

[Pride Demon]

CptData wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Also this is the future and not USA so military ranks work different.


Military branch work different as well so I don't think there is army, navy, airforce and marines which we have today in USA, but instead there's just 1 branch that is combination of all of those.


Also military ranks in Mass Effect's Alliance were made from Canadian military, not USA military.

*snip*

Sorry CptData, I edited my post as I made a mistake with the rank equivalence...
Kaidan is not an Admiral at all, he is equivalent to Captain in the navy, like Anderson in ME1...

Sorry, my mistake...

Yezdigerd wrote...
According to the wiki, major is the same rank as captain. general is the
same as rear admiral, so Mikhalovich would outrank Alenko.

Yeah, sorry, I noticed that... I switched everything forward by a rank...
I edited my previous post accordingly...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 28 novembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[LilyasAvalon]

I was fine with Commander... until I found out Kaidan was higher ranked than me.

General Shepard...

I want.

[CptData]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Well, Shepard and his crew had quite a bunch of successful missions and most of them already had high ranks before ME1 even started.

True. I just wonder why Shepard didn't get promoted right after ME, neither while he was alive nor post-mortem. Ashley got promoted by one rank. I wonder what happened between ME --> ME2 --> M3 that Ash got promoted by how many ranks? Four? Five? Same question for Kaidan.

If Shepard gets promoted to General s/he would skip a lot of ranks. Don't think promotions work that way. Sure, BW can do that and explain why it happens, but still ... it feels wrong, not complete, not "earned". Even after all that sh*t Shepard had to go through, promoting him/her to General doesn't make much sense. S/he simply has not the experience to lead an entire military body, so the "General" for Shepard is not more than a honorary rank. Shepard deserves better.

[Harmless Citizen]

Commander just has that ring to it.

Besides, if Shep survives ME3 I'll have her park her sweet arse on a throne somewhere with the Council paying personal tribute in green tea and pastries.

[Bad King]

Septimus did say that Shepard might make a good general one day...

[CroGamer002]

CptData wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Well, Shepard and his crew had quite a bunch of successful missions and most of them already had high ranks before ME1 even started.

True. I just wonder why Shepard didn't get promoted right after ME, neither while he was alive nor post-mortem. Ashley got promoted by one rank. I wonder what happened between ME --> ME2 --> M3 that Ash got promoted by how many ranks? Four? Five? Same question for Kaidan.

If Shepard gets promoted to General s/he would skip a lot of ranks. Don't think promotions work that way. Sure, BW can do that and explain why it happens, but still ... it feels wrong, not complete, not "earned". Even after all that sh*t Shepard had to go through, promoting him/her to General doesn't make much sense. S/he simply has not the experience to lead an entire military body, so the "General" for Shepard is not more than a honorary rank. Shepard deserves better.

Why Shepard wasn't promoted?

Simple, he/she wasn't officially in Alliance anymore do to being a Spectre.
And then he/she died.


And only when Shepard escapes Earth get's reinstated as Commander of Alliance ny Anderson.

And after that I doubt someone would think to promote Shepard or pretty much anyone unless it's on the spot( ie. Sergeant of some squad get's killed and Corporal takes his place).

[Harmless Citizen]

Does Anderson actually have the authority to reinstate?

[Pride Demon]

Random Nobody wrote...

Does Anderson actually have the authority to reinstate?

No idea... He should technically be at least Admiral by ME3, but that still wouldn't be enough, at least I don't think it is enough...
I guess we'll have to wait and see...

[CptData]

Mesina2 wrote...

Why Shepard wasn't promoted?

Simple, he/she wasn't officially in Alliance anymore do to being a Spectre.
And then he/she died.


And only when Shepard escapes Earth get's reinstated as Commander of Alliance ny Anderson.

And after that I doubt someone would think to promote Shepard or pretty much anyone unless it's on the spot( ie. Sergeant of some squad get's killed and Corporal takes his place).

Hmmm, doesn't answer the question <_<

First of all, Shepard is still considered as being a member of the Alliance. S/he still get paid, still get called "commander" and what not. As you said, Anderson reinstates Shepard, so I think s/he's still a marine. So I think s/he still can get promoted. Shepard was part of the military until s/he died, so ... yes. I think you know what I want to know.

Also it's not too unusual someone gets decorated & promoted post mortem. Why did it not happen for Shepard?

Why & when did Ashley / Kaidan get a promotion? Did their promotions happen before they got into Spectre ranks?

It doesn't matter if Shepard gets a promotion or not between ME -> ME2 -> ME3. I just say it doesn't make much sense to promote him/her to General out of the blue. Especially since s/he has no experience in leading a large military body - Shepard is used to command a frigate and squad sized units. A General / Admiral has to command an entire army / fleet.

Modifié par CptData, 28 novembre 2011 - 12:02 .

[Someone With Mass]

Random Nobody wrote...

Does Anderson actually have the authority to reinstate?

Well, he is an admiral by that time, so...yeah.

[Selene Moonsong]

Shep should have been promoted previously after defeating Saren and the fleet took out the reaper ship, all things considered.

I'm a little confused about the rankings used, and I think BioWare may be mixing and matching ranks. I was US Navy at one time myself and the rank of Commander come Just before Captian (Navy captain = colonel). As commanding officer on the Normandy, s/he would, in fact, be referred to as Captain Shepard (just as the Quarians referred to her as in ME 2).

IMHO, the should have been given the rank of Captain (actually Commodore) when the battle to save the Citadel began in earnest since she is the one who made the ultimate decisions for the Alliance forces and needs to be able to order a full Captain to a specific action. Of course, this is in reference to Alliance forces (Specter status not withstanding). Note that the rank of Commodore, US Navy anyway, has come and gone several times in history and I believe Modern day use refers more to the 'Senior Ranking Captain'.

Be that as it may, however, I don't see any reason why BioWare would change it to a different name, since in any case, s/he is still the Commanding officer of the Normandy and is widely known throughout the Galaxy as Commander Shepard, and that is probably what the general public would still refer to Shepard as anyway.

[Yezdigerd]

It's really not complicated as it's explained in the wiki:

"The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen. "

A general advances to admiral, because at a higher command level fleet operations will always be involved. but not necessarily ground combat.

Modifié par Yezdigerd, 28 novembre 2011 - 01:09 .

[CptData]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Shep should have been promoted previously after defeating Saren and the fleet took out the reaper ship, all things considered.

Good to read that from a more offical person

I'm a little confused about the rankings used, and I think BioWare may be mixing and matching ranks. I was US Navy at one time myself and the rank of Commander come Just before Captian (Navy captain = colonel). As commanding officer on the Normandy, s/he would, in fact, be referred to as Captain Shepard (just as the Quarians referred to her as in ME 2).

Now the things get complicated. Shepard is a "Commander" - he was Captain Anderson's XO and got new CO of the Normandy without a promotion. I think it's quite similar to German Navy: not every commanding officer is a full "Kapitän" (Captain) - however s/h can be a "Fregattenkapitän" (frigate Captain / I believe it's Lieutenant Commander) AND in command of a ship.
In that case, Shepard's rank fits to the shipsize s/he has under his/her command.

IMHO, the should have been given the rank of Captain (actually Commodore) when the battle to save the Citadel began in earnest since she is the one who made the ultimate decisions for the Alliance forces and needs to be able to order a full Captain to a specific action. Of course, this is in reference to Alliance forces (Specter status not withstanding). Note that the rank of Commodore, US Navy anyway, has come and gone several times in history and I believe Modern day use refers more to the 'Senior Ranking Captain'.

I believe "Commodore" can be translated to either "Fleet Captain" and/or "2nd Rear Admiral" if you have two Rear Admiral ranks. The Commodore appears to be closer to Captain than to the Admiral ranks. Also, not every Navy knows the "Commodore".

The hierarchy looks something like this in most modern day navys:

...-> Lt Commander -> Commander -> Captain -> Commodore -> Rear Admiral -> Vice Admiral -> ...
ALSO
...-> Lt. Commander. -> Commander -> Captain -> Fleet Captain -> Rear Admiral -> Vice Admiral -> ...
ALSO
...-> Lt. Commander. -> Commander -> Captain -> 2nd. Rear Admiral -> 1st Rear Admiral -> Vice Admiral -> ...

Be that as it may, however, I don't see any reason why BioWare would change it to a different name, since in any case, s/he is still the Commanding officer of the Normandy and is widely known throughout the Galaxy as Commander Shepard, and that is probably what the general public would still refer to Shepard as anyway.

Yep. I think "Commander" is his/her trademark. "Captain Shepard" does sound neat, but not right. It's like "Admiral Kirk". Sounds great, but "Captain Kirk" sounds even better because it sounds right.

Modifié par CptData, 28 novembre 2011 - 01:13 .

[Yvell]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

-snip-

Well, I would think that, as he was and is--if you did so in Mass Effect 2--a spectre.  Perhaps you can't really get promoted anymore within the Alliance after that. *Shrugs* I dunno, just throwing things out there.

[Fiery Knight]

Hasn't anyone considered that maybe Shepard turned down a promotion?

[DNIdiedAndCameBackAsAHusk]

Shep should be promoted to the Duke of Nuke, tbh.

[hawat333]

No, not really. He/she deserves a promotion, a damn medal, that's for sure. But mostly Shepard deserves some peace.
And anyways, a General has duties, duties that are completely different from what Shep's been doing. So just let Shepard rest, for once he deserves a hot meal and a comfy bed.

[chaosomegas]

yes but who gives him promotion Systems Alliance or Council

[CptBomBom00]

If he gets promoted than I make this my ringtone->

Watch it to the end^^^.

[BatmanPWNS]

General Shepard will sound nice when they say the name in the funeral........... oh I said too much already.