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[Gespenst]

^ We all know RenegadeShep won't settle for anything less than God-Emperor of Mankind.

[Chewin]

Xerxes52 wrote...

Night Wraith wrote...

Shepard you just killed 300,000 Batarians... here's a medal and a promotion to major general.

Only Major General?

I'd settle for nothing less than Warmaster. Also a snazzy coat and ceremonial power sword.

Shepard should become Emperor.

[Fenris_13]

Chewin3 wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

Night Wraith wrote...

Shepard you just killed 300,000 Batarians... here's a medal and a promotion to major general.

Only Major General?

I'd settle for nothing less than Warmaster. Also a snazzy coat and ceremonial power sword.

Shepard should become Emperor.

[Dilandau3000]

Shepard currently holds the rank of commander, which is a naval rank. And we know it's a rank, not an appointment, because they called him that before he got command of the Normandy, and when he's addressed as Captain Shepard by the quarians on Tali's loyalty mission he says "actually I never made the rank of captain" (captain is the next rank up in the naval hierarchy).

What I'm saying with this is that--unless Shepard changes division--it doesn't make sense for him to be promoted to general, because only the army, air force and marines have generals. The naval equivalent would be an admiral, like Admiral Hackett.

So Shepard should get promoted to Admiral instead. Or better yet, Fleet Admiral, as that would make him Hackett's superior.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 29 novembre 2011 - 12:25 .

[jamesp81]

Nah, Shepard should be promoted to "Master of the Universe". You may address him as "Master" or "My lord" for short

[therussianviking]

Captain? Sure. General? No way. Especially because he goes by Navy ranks...

[Gespenst]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Shepard currently holds the rank of commander, which is a naval rank. And we know it's a rank, not an appointment, because they called him that before he got command of the Normandy, and when he's addressed as Captain Shepard by the quarians on Tali's loyalty mission he says "actually I never made the rank of captain" (captain is the next rank up in the naval hierarchy).

Captain is also the title of the CO of any naval vessel (at least in the UK and US navies). Which is the sense the quarians are using it... I think. I never took that option.

[Dilandau3000]

Gespenst wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Shepard currently holds the rank of commander, which is a naval rank. And we know it's a rank, not an appointment, because they called him that before he got command of the Normandy, and when he's addressed as Captain Shepard by the quarians on Tali's loyalty mission he says "actually I never made the rank of captain" (captain is the next rank up in the naval hierarchy).

Captain is also the title of the CO of any naval vessel (at least in the UK and US navies). Which is the sense the quarians are using it... I think. I never took that option.

Pretty much, yeah. He captain's a ship so therefore the quarian's call him captain. There was a discussion on Star Trek DS9 once about how the person in command is always addressed as captain regardless of rank (Nog, a cadet at the time, asks if that would apply to him, to which O'Brien replies that if Nog takes command, there'd be no one left to call him anything since as a cadet he'd be the last in line). I'm not sure if that logic applies to the real US Navy, or the Alliance military for that matter.

[Gespenst]

I don't know... in theory I think Nog would have taken precedence over any enlisted personnel or NCOs (god help us all) but I'm not even sure if Star Trek has any enlisted personnel (no it doesn't make much sense to me either).

Horatio Hornblower once found himself captain while still a midshipman (Mr. Midshipman Hornblower) ... of course he's also fictional (and he was the captain of a prize crew of four sailors). I don't know if that ever happened IRL but it doesn't seem unreasonable that it would.

Edit: Wait, was it four? Wikipedia agrees but that doesn't seem enough to sail a ship. Oh, well. That's not really the point is it?

Modifié par Gespenst, 29 novembre 2011 - 03:06 .

[Dilandau3000]

Gespenst wrote...

I don't know... in theory I think Nog would have taken precedence over any enlisted personnel or NCOs (god help us all) but I'm not even sure if Star Trek has any enlisted personnel (no it doesn't make much sense to me either).

They do have enlisted personnel, although Roddenberry for a time during the beginning of TNG pretended they didn't (not the only stupid decision Roddenberry made during TNG's early years).

Examples of non-commissioned officers are Yeoman Rand from the original series, and Chief O'Brien (he is explicitly referred to as non-commissioned in the DS9 episode "Hippocratic Oath").

[Gespenst]

I'll give you Yeoman Rand (should have occurred to me sooner what with Yeoman Chambers and all), but Chief O'Brien is an NCO (a Senior Chief Petty Officer in fact). Which is different form being an enlisted crew member because... yeah I just derped pretty hard, no way out of that (although there is a distinction between the two but it is an "enlisted rank"). 

Modifié par Gespenst, 29 novembre 2011 - 03:20 .

[CptData]

Gespenst wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Shepard currently holds the rank of commander, which is a naval rank. And we know it's a rank, not an appointment, because they called him that before he got command of the Normandy, and when he's addressed as Captain Shepard by the quarians on Tali's loyalty mission he says "actually I never made the rank of captain" (captain is the next rank up in the naval hierarchy).

Captain is also the title of the CO of any naval vessel (at least in the UK and US navies). Which is the sense the quarians are using it... I think. I never took that option.

I think you can call someone a Captain when commanding officer of a ship even if s/he is holding a lower rank.

In German Navy it's quite complicated - there are different "Captain ranks":

"Korvettenkapitän" - lowest Captain rank. I think it fits best "Lt. Cmdr."
"Fregattenkapitän" - higher Captain rank. "Commander" (which fits to Shepard ^^)
"Kapitän zur See" - highest Captain rank - "Captain of the sea" It should fit to "Captain".

Also we have different ranks of "Leutenants" in the German Navy, so you can't fully translate them to US-Navy ranks. However: as soon as an officer is commanding a ship, s/he is called a "Captain" by the crew.

I bet there's some guy that can explain it better, but that's what I got from all the stuff. I always wondered why we had only "Captains" in Star Trek - even if they were in command of just a nimble science cruiser with 50 crew members - compared against a Captain of a Galaxy class Starship with more than thousand.

[Yezdigerd]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Shepard currently holds the rank of commander, which is a naval rank. And we know it's a rank, not an appointment, because they called him that before he got command of the Normandy, and when he's addressed as Captain Shepard by the quarians on Tali's loyalty mission he says "actually I never made the rank of captain" (captain is the next rank up in the naval hierarchy).

What I'm saying with this is that--unless Shepard changes division--it doesn't make sense for him to be promoted to general, because only the army, air force and marines have generals. The naval equivalent would be an admiral, like Admiral Hackett.

So Shepard should get promoted to Admiral instead. Or better yet, Fleet Admiral, as that would make him Hackett's superior.

Except all ground forces are branches of the fleet.  Shepard is special forces which by current military terminology would
mean army, but since all ground forces are dependant on the fleet they are called "marines". The ranking system is unified for all armed forces, titles like private, major or general are just alternative symbolic, they all denote a place within the naval hierachy. General is a lower rank then admiral.

[Gespenst]

CptData wrote...

I think you can call someone a Captain when commanding officer of a ship even if s/he is holding a lower rank.

In German Navy it's quite complicated - there are different "Captain ranks":...

If you really want to compare military ranks you could look at the NATO rank codes

Anyone with four solid pips on his uniform in TNG holds the rank of Captain, but as Dilandau3000 said Gene Rodenberry had some odd ideas about Star Fleet in the TNG era... and in general really, he would complain about the way it came across as being "military" and... I think SF Debris said it best:

If you have naval ranks, within a naval hierarchy, are on something called a ship and that ship has weapons and is even now preparing for the possibility of fighting someone... then objecting to it being portrayed as a navy and being military is at best being facetious and at worst being childish.

(Also, I highly recommend his review/opinionated ... examination/funny summery of Mass Effect 2 if you've got two hours to spare)

Also if we're throwing things out there the reason Picard calls Riker "Number one" is due apparently to the fact that, traditionally, the captains of most ships would be a Lt Commander and his XO would be a First Lieutenant.

Modifié par Gespenst, 29 novembre 2011 - 04:01 .

[Xerxes52]

Arcian wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

Night Wraith wrote...

Shepard you just killed 300,000 Batarians... here's a medal and a promotion to major general.

Only Major General?

I'd settle for nothing less than Warmaster. Also a snazzy coat and ceremonial power sword.

WH40K Grimdark detected.

You know it.

[tobynator89]

I'll say it again. Spec ops officers doesn't make it past the rank of colonel or navy equivalent, which is captain.

Modifié par tobynator89, 29 novembre 2011 - 06:49 .

[Wolverfrog]

Generals don't fight on the front-lines. Shepard likes to fight on the front-line.

[dreman9999]

If you can name for me one general that fought directly on the front lines then Shep can be titled a general.

[Gespenst]

...Patton?

[AlexXIV]

God-King of the Universe seems appropriate. And as such he could have many wifes. So all of them.

[tobynator89]

Gespenst wrote...

...Patton?

What about him?

[AlexXIV]

tobynator89 wrote...

Gespenst wrote...

...Patton?

What about him?

[Gespenst]

tobynator89 wrote...

Gespenst wrote...

...Patton?

What about him?

dreman9999 wrote...

If you can name for me one general that fought directly on the front lines then Shep can be titled a general.