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[Ferretinabun]

Ummm, well fair enough. I think the links are a little vague and tenuous to call Dragon Age a metaphor for Islam, but hey, if it rocks your boat, fair play.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Hmmm, I wonder why I never saw this thread.

While similarities are there (superficially so), a lot of other stories / myths/ prophecies / whatever you want to call them follow a similar template (the initially hated / suspicious heroes for instance is pretty common).
The archdemon doesn't sound like a Dajjal to me, who is supposed to be very persuasive and would trick most of humanity into believing in him.
And of course the 2 Wardens have very little similarity with al-Mahdi and al-Massih, not to mention that Loghain can become a Warden, and Riordan joins the fight (and let's not forget Duncan at the very beginning).

[Tryynity]

My only response is - of course there are similarities. I saw the same similarities but moreso with christian religion POV - but then I am more familiar with such.

It was interesting to read your version of pretty much the same story I am referring to and still trying to stay under the radar of a religious discussion.

A quote 'What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.'

I enjoyed it from the same aspect you did also - seeing this illustrated in such a way - but another perspective.

Modifié par Tryynity, 21 décembre 2011 - 05:08 .

[Tryynity]

Qunari could be the anti-christ - dont know who he is in Islam -by their insistance that you "accept our way or die" .


I would say further -

[*please note no offence is intended to anyone on this highly volatile subject* I am very big on 'believe what you want - ur choice']

If it came to certain divisions of Muslims vs Christians I am led to believe it would be similar.

Just visiting certain parts of the Middle East can be dangerous for a christian - or for that matter a Westerner. Which is why I have often also thought Qunari might possibly be inspired by this.

I doubt though the writers went out of their way to illustrate this - although... there is that pyramid on Priestly's logo

Which could mean BIOWARE have been infiltrated by Illuminati  

In that case.... hmmmm

EDIT : and NO Alistair is not playing the ROLE of JC  - re-cast !!! LOL

Modifié par Tryynity, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:46 .

[eissa the senator]

i am an islamic person didn't read all that you wrot but dajal have grown up now and is in pakestan
the one eye creater r8

[eissa the senator]

the jail doors open atoumaticly for him

[eissa the senator]

hey hey!! do we write it Isa not eissa (jesus)

[maxernst]

I think the similarities exist because Dragon Age contains a number of archetypal situations that occur in mythologies, which is more or less what KoP said. I've commented before on the similarity of Arl Eamon's situation to the Fisher King, Andraste's ashes are the Holy Grail, and Alistair could be viewed as a Galahad stand-in. Although the role of the Chantry is clearly analogous to that of the Roman Catholic Church in the game, Andraste has similarities to both Christ and Muhammad.

[Obadiah]

maxernst wrote...

I think the similarities exist because Dragon Age contains a number of archetypal situations that occur in mythologies, which is more or less what KoP said.
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This is true. The game's plot becomes a bit of a rorschach test when related to the real world. Being from the Christian tradition I drew most of the parallels from there (especially the commentary on male clergy), but it is interesting to see it from an Islamic perspective. Glad someone posted it.

Modifié par Obadiah, 21 décembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[HanErlik]

Nizaris1 wrote...

 I just want to share, as a Muslim i see this game storyline have relationship with islamic prophecy in many ways. Although not all, but major plot is. I will show where the similarities are...

In Islam tradition, through prophet Muhammad (pbuh) sayings, there will be turmoil in this world. Evil will rise and conquer all. There will be something/somecreature/somewhateverthing called Yakjuj Makjuj (Gog and Magog) who will taint the world and destroy everything we know as goodness. They come from underground and will burst out. There will also be someone called Dajjal Al Masih (The False Messiah) who will lead all the evil in this world.

The one who stood up against the evil at the end times are Imam Al Mahdi (a mysterious Muslim leader, descendant of prophet Muhammad pbuh) and Isa Al Masih (Jesus the Messiah) when he return. Yes, Muslim believe in Jesus, but in our belief Jesus is a prophet and a Messiah, not son of God or God. But i don't want to discuss the difference between Islam and Christianity here.

This two figure will gather a small band of army from all around the world (about 313 men), will struggle against the odd, against all evil. They will not automatically supported, not even by Muslims. They will be hated, accused as bad guys, traitors, crazy, rejected by people, because the people are so corrupt at that time. But they will prevail, Isa Al Masih will kill Dajjal Al Masih near the gate of Jerusalem.

So you see, there is similarity in the game storyline. Two grey Warden going through all hardship to unite the land, creating an army to face a creature who rose from the ground that taint everything, and those creatures led by Archdemon. The Grey Wardens being accused as traitors, being hunted down. Ferelden is corrupted with politics, oppressions, and all. At the end, the grey Warden manage to unite the land and stop the Blight, one of the Warden kill the Archdemon at the tower near Denerim Gate.

As a note, the prophecy is maybe not about the near future, but somewhere in the future. 

Edit ; okay...and this is the thing what i like about this game, despite bugs, glitches, and all other things....the reason why i keep playing this game...

In fact, this Armageddon stuff does not take place in original Muslim faith. There is no text which refers Deggial, Al Mahdi and second coming of Jesus. Yakjuj Makjuj takes place in only Dhul-Qarnayn's tale. These prophecies were adopted from Christianity (probably they had taken them from Zoroastrianity or Mithraism) after a century or two from the death of Mohammad.

[Tryynity]

I think David Gaider probably drew from many faiths/beliefs/legends etc.

Here is a christian viewpoint (others may see it different & thats ok) - is an interesting discussion...

Characters

Maker = God/Yahweh/El Shaddai
Old Gods = Rebellious Angels - led by Satan (nee Lucifer)
Tev.Mages = Human rebellion inspired by rebel angels
Darkspawn = Cursed earth (result of sin) = Satan being cast to earth and setting up his rule
Demons = manifestations/influences of sin within mankind
- Pride/Sloth/Desire=Fleshly Lust/Rage=Hate=Murder
Benevolent spirits = faithful angels of Yahweh's to assist mankind who chose to resist the leadership of Satan's rule and remain under Yahweh's rule
Non-blood mages = light side of spiritualism
Warriors = physical resistance/adversaries
Blood mages = dark side of spiritualism
Andraste = The Bride of christ = pure/redeemed church (group of ppls) - those who throughout history have stood against Satan's rule - all are martyrs and have suffered death - some even physical all have died to their own will.

Blight - World becoming overrun/taken overcome by sin
Stopped only by one choice (Old Testament) only lasts a short period of time and has to be repeated.
or (New Testament) another choice - which will have a different result (this is a no spoiler forum)

Now the interesting question -

Will the 2nd choice end the Blight forever? = JC
or
Will it be the fullfilment of the original plan of the mages - usurping the Maker's throne? = Anti-Christ

So Dragon Age Origins cannot be a prophecy since it hasnt ended.

 The christian prophecy's of Revelation, Daniel etc are hard to understand - it will be understood only when the time is at hand.  There have been many bible scholars try to decipher the meanings of these texts, but basically the above is all that is truly needed to be understood by anyone.  So I will not try and put it here.
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DA2 - could be illustrating the battle between Religion vs Spirit (JC even rebuked the church of his day)
To clarify Religion is often far removed from Yahweh/JC's teachings/mission  - even though they claim to worship him & preach his words -  it is warped faith/manmade faith and is most recognised as turning more away from him, than bringing them in.

*NOTE THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DISCUSS DA2 FURTHER!!!*  is a DAOrigins forum only

in case you forget

Modifié par Tryynity, 22 décembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Stanley Woo]

If you wish to continue discussing this topic, please keep it directly related to Dragon Age Origins. Thank you.

[Tryynity]

@ Niz - yes I know but I cannot discuss Islamic prophecy with you because I am not familiar with it.

I was just showing you the things I thought as I was playing it.

In relation to bible prophecy it is difficult to line up simply because christian view of endtimes is not so cut and dried.

If I knew about other religions & more about mythology - I could probably draw the same kind of similarities with those characters.

Your point is very interesting and I can see how you see the parallels with Islamic Prophecy.


@Stanley - will do. Trying to be very aware of the rules in regard to discussing this subject.

[Tryynity]

On studying the Wiki for another reason - I think I may have Andraste wrong - maybe she is Christian America who went to aid the Jews against Hitler and gave refuge to them in their country.

- I forgot to add before that you pointed out the Dalish Elves are like the Jews - who have lost their homeland and wander the earth. They were partners with Andraste so that makes sense too.  So that I can understand.

Im thinking perhaps the 'humans' are the european/western world and as you suggested.  That makes sense of Hitler and his persecution of the Jews.

The fact that there are three races - makes sense when you remember after the flood Noah had three sons and they went into different areas the forefathers of  the 3 different Caucasian sub-races. 

The 7 Gods - 7 headed dragon/7 milliniums/7 seals/7 trumptets/7 bowls/7 years tribulation/7 churches

Not alot to do with DAO plot apart from each Archdemon leads a blight = 7 blights to endure before all 7 are destroyed.

Your reference to the Landsmeet - was also very good - you could be right it being United Nations

Modifié par Tryynity, 23 décembre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Tryynity]

Yea - there has been alot of talk about 2012

and yes the 7 headed dragon is from Revelations - bible prophecy is symbolic/metaphorical though and rarely literal.

Something I see from your Islam prophecy - as you have written it - it does match up well to the storyline.

Something I am still pondering is the Qunari - I read today they built Pyramids - this made me think of the Mayans & Egyptians.

There is another belief that maybe could be linked to them - that is something to do with Sumarians - and Aliens (Nephilim - in the bible - the sons of god came down and took human wives).

I know very little about this though, enough to really be sure.

[Tryynity]

Good point yea Lake Calenhad could be exactly like that - it is a huge inland/type sea.

I dont take the Alien thing seriously either - there is acutally something else attached to it I remember reading once - maybe has something to do with the Illuminati - but I could be getting confused with other stuff.

[eissa the senator]

Isabla in DA2 looks like arbian or indian women.
is she a black american or africian.
if that was the dead sea have you hear about the red sea it's red becos some red algae.
realy is there nothing lives in dead sea.

Modifié par eissa the senator, 24 décembre 2011 - 04:15 .