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#76
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Ryzaki wrote...

Oh yes and how pray tell was Shep supposed to get in contact with the VS who was deep undercover?

There's that thing called emails Shep could've sent thousands to VS' casual or job inbox so VS would eventually read them. Not like undercover agents don't use their email boxes. And as we've seen VS use theirs. Ohh yeah, he could also leave a message on their phone. IDK, there are approximately 213984753021541234 ways to get the message through, the game happens in 2185, not 1285.

Ryzaki wrote...

And yes partying...my Shep was running around trying to defeat the Reapers and he was "partying" riiight.

He had time to chat with Joker about BS and get drunk on Omega. Surely had had time to write one email.

Ryzaki wrote...

And no that's completely not what my Shep said. Maybe yours did  but mine certainly didn't say that.

Your Shep couldn't say anything more then my did. Both said "it's been a long time" which is BS since it's been just a few weeks.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:24 .


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You must be kidding me. Shep somehow magically pulls the VS's email out his ass? Plus I guess the VS wasn't too eager to get in contact with Shep either. Even Anderson bothers putting out an email even when he doesn't really know Shep's alive.

Uh...all Sheps didn't *do* that Issac (mine don't drink) mine were kind of busy trying to recruit people.

That's only one line and that's not the BS you posted up there that Shep supposedly said.

But like I said whatever. We'll see what we want to see. It's not cheating for my Sheps. You think your Sheps cheated? Whatever they did. Mine didn't so they didn't cheat. It's not something that's universal.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:28 .


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Just blame the dialogue. I mean really. For a wo/man that can literally talk a villain to death. Horizon was incredibly unsuave.

>"So it's true, then. You're working for Cerber--"
>"CALM DOWN YOU ARE TOO EMOTIONAL"

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Random Nobody wrote...

Just blame the dialogue. I mean really. For a wo/man that can literally talk a villain to death. Horizon was incredibly unsuave.

>"So it's true, then. You're working for Cerber--"
>"CALM DOWN YOU ARE TOO EMOTIONAL"


Considering talking Sarem to death pretty much consisted of "DUDE YOUR INDOCTRINATED!" Horizon was only moderately derpy for Shep.

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Ryzaki wrote...

You must be kidding me. Shep somehow magically pulls the VS's email out his ass?

VS has no problem magically pulling Shep's email outta ass. Not to mention, they were together before the attack on Normandy hello? You "kinda" know your partner's email, phone number(s) and every possible way to contact them when you're in a relationship.

Ryzaki wrote...

Uh...all Sheps didn't *do* that Issac (mine don't drink) mine were kind of busy trying to recruit people.

And you're gonna tell me your Shep didn't talk to Joker about nonsense at every oppurtunity he got?

Ryzaki wrote...

That's only one line and that's not the BS you posted up there that Shep supposedly said.

But like I said whatever. We'll see what we want to see. It's not cheating for my Sheps. You think your Sheps cheated? Whatever they did. Mine didn't so they didn't cheat. It's not something that's universal.

Mine Sheps haven't slept with anyone yet :police: Seriously though, the VS nonsense "no contact" situation is a writing mess, deparving the players from making the decision themselves to contact or not to contact VS and show them you care. If you wanna take it as an excuse to cheat, do whatever you want. Just don't pretend it's all VS fault, he/she reacted like most people would presented with the attitude Shep got railroaded into.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:35 .


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Wait...so since the players are forced to not contact the VS that's all SHEP'S FAULT but the VS doing the same is the writers' fault.

Also lol at the lame dig. Ah I forgot why I ignore you. That'll teach me to forget.

Wow. Totally not making lame excuses to bash Shep there.

And I never said the VS not contacting Shep was the reason for my Shep's (that would be pretty contradictory of me not to mention petty) considering the relationship completely dead. It was the leaving one's loved one to the psycho terrorists without even trying to persuade Shep to come with them back to the alliance (even if they failed they would've at least *tried*) that they believe they're being brainwashed and not giving Shep the opportunity to explain himself (they didn't even have to believe him. Just hear him out) that took the cake.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:40 .


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Maybe moderately derpy, but with extra herp.

As much as I like her, still didn't stop me from wanting to slap the eyebrows off Ashley's face.

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There seems to be a bit of vitriol in this thread.

To lighten the mood, here are some corgis playing tetherball:

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Random Nobody wrote...

Maybe moderately derpy, but with extra herp.

As much as I like her, still didn't stop me from wanting to slap the eyebrows off Ashley's face.


Yeah like how Shep gets when he talks to the council. "THE REAPERS ARE COMING!" ...like dude didn't you just say about 10 minutes ago that you didn't want to tell the council about them because they were just proven by visions you had? What happened to that logic?

My Sheps just shrugged and move on...save renedouche. Renedouche wanted to punch someone and decided to take it out on that reporter...again.

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I hate corgis.

Now I am angry.

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Random Nobody wrote...

I hate corgis.

Now I am angry.

Heartless bastard.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Wait...so since the players are forced to not contact the VS that's all SHEP'S FAULT but the VS doing the same is the writers' fault.

Both is writers' fault, since Shep's options or lack of such (for the players) are written by the writers too. There's also Anderson who doesn't bother to confirm to VS taht Shep is alive. Neither does a certain blue chick. But from the perspective that it is Shep that gets revived and VS doesn't know about it for sure, it's Shep that's more to blame for lack of contact.

Ryzaki wrote...

It was the leaving one's loved on to the psycho terrorists that they believe they're being brainwashed by that took the cake.

Yes, it would be just better to betray the Alliance and run after Shep who doesn't seem to want to sacrifice anything for VS.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:45 .


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Damn right. Look at those ridiculous little legs. Who has legs like that. They are ridiculous.

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/rant

1. Shepard IS a traitor. seeing how Shepard is working for the avowed enemy of the alliance and the council.
2. by your own admission, Tali would have been your first choice if available in ME1, so really, Horizon was just an excuse to feel better about moving on to her in ME2
3. no, technically it was not cheating in a true sense as for Ashley 2 years have passed and Horizon is set up in a way to be able to interpret it as a breakup if one so wishes. but apparently, /grumble its what bioware is calling it. not to mention - as stated above, its only been couple of weeks for Shepard, so their feelings are supposed to be a bit fresher then Ashley's.
4. Tali doesn't join Shepard immediately or without questions,its only when you meet her a second time, that you get to recruit her, after much time has passed. She had time to think about it. Tali is also not part of the military organization, her loyalty to the flotilla is purely personal.

I wish people would:
1. at least attempt to put themselves in Ashley's shoes and see how they would reacted after someone they thought was dead showed up 2 years later, perfectly alive, talking like nothing happened, personally confirming the rumors that they were alive and working for cerberus. the same organization that Ashley was sent to Horizon to INVESTIGATE IN RELATION TO COLONY KIDNAPPINGS. and lo and behold - colony gets kidnapped and oh look, Cerberus vessel is there.
2. stop romancing her just because their first choice is not available.
3. consider if this was their real life relationship, would they write off a lover after a single fight that was at least partly caused by someone else's manipulations. (TIM ADMITS setting up Horizon after you get back to the Normandy, he ADMITS spreading the rumors about Shepard for months, he proceeds to set Shepard up, again and again through the rest of the ME2)
4.  stoip saying it was one night of monkey sex.  it was a year's worth of building a relationship, because you start flirting pretty much as soon as you meet and continue through out all the events on ME1, that took about a year to conclude.  you, the player might think it was a one night of monkey sex, becasue it took you 20-30 hours to finish the game, but in game time=/=play time.  traveling between systems doesn't take couple of seconds. etc

/end rant


1. That first point has a lot to do with the quality of the writing. As a player I can very well understand why the VS is mad at Shep on Horizon. I just cant express it because Shep isnt given the option to do so. As the player I can genuinely make my best effort picking the options that would make things right with the VS. But it did not turn out that way.

2. & 4.  With all the different Shepards people play some are bound to have a stronger or a weaker connection to the VS then others. Why is it so bad to romance them 'just because' or just for sex. Cant it just be part of the story youre writing for that particular Shepard? People can have relationships that dont turn out to last or arent built on 'true love' feelings. Playing a Shepard who realized during the course of ME2 that the relation he thought he had with the VS wasn't as strong as he initially believed it to be can be jsut as interesting as playing a Shep who realizes how strong his feelings are for the VS even if the ME2 events acted against it.

3. You cant compare Horizon to a real life domestic dispute... It isnt on the scale of 'honey why did you let othe bread on the table once again ?' You would have to compare it to something like 'If your boyfriend/girlfriend decides not to fallow you to China where you plan to work for the next year... is the relation still viable?' Horizon might not even be the first fight between Shep and the VS. Who is to say if already in ME1  Shep didnt have problems with how Ashley's views on aliens affected the mission or her being willing to let the Council die, or that FemShep wasnt already annoyed by how Kaidan wanted to play nice and save the Council ? So Horizon might be just the last thing that tipped the scale for  Shep to move on with his love life. 

All these interpretations are up to the player. So is wether he is cheating or moving on with someoen else. The VS reaction to it is up to the writers.

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I'm a bit on the fence about this whole "is or isn't it cheating?" squabble, my Shepard romanced Liara in ME1 but in ME2 she (understandly) distences herself from back-from-the dead-Shepard, he moves on with Miranda, everything seemed fine, then LotSB rolls round and then everything seemed to hit the fan with Liara throwing snarky comments this way and that until Liara gracefully bows out, stays friends, wishes them all the best etc etc and she seemed to be moveing on with that Drell, whats-his-face.

Of course if she suddernly forgets all of that in ME3 which creates "consequences" for Shepard and Miranda, I'll be a little bit more then slightly put out Image IPB

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This going to turn into another VS/Horizon rant?

eDIT:  

It depends on how you percieve it: 

If your Shepard moved on, then they moved on and hopefully there will be a dialogue confirming that on both ends, not just Shepards.

Your Shepard is still in love, but decides to get his/her groove on with someone else, then it might be considered cheating because he's stuck with the two choices.

VS could still be in love with Shep, but your Shepard isn't, so decides not to pursue the relationship any further in ME3.

etc, etc.


Oh snap forgot about Liara.  Whatever, we all know she's the canon romance!  - insert troll face-

Modifié par spiros9110, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:03 .


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Damn right. Look at those ridiculous little legs. Who has legs like that. They are ridiculous.

They're cute.  They bounce around like little bunnies.

(I don't miss my dog at all, nope nope.)

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Yeah, no. You can ask three times what Liara's relationship with Feron is, and it's always platonic. Considering it's Liara, she'll probably always be two dialogue choices away from dry-humping Shepard's legs for as long as Shepard lives.

Or longer, considering.

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God save both you and the Queen, Cheez.

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IsaacShep wrote...
Yes, it would be just better to betray the Alliance and run after Shep who doesn't seem to want to sacrifice anything for VS.


LOL

Because trying to talk Shepard into seeing Anderson with them so they can try to make sure Shep's not actually betraying the alliance to Cerberus is clearly betraying the alliance! That's rich. :lol:

Seriously though as long as my Shep isn't being called a cheater by the VS or if he is he has an "...how hard did you hit your head?" response to being called a cheater I'm good.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:12 .


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Because trying to talk Shepard into seeing Anderson with them is clearly betraying the alliance! That's rich. :lol:

Yes yes, we've seen how much Anderson achieved when he met Shep!

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IsaacShep wrote...Yes yes, we've seen how much Anderson achieved when he met Shep!


It was certainly more than the VS achieved ignoring Shep! :lol:

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Ryzaki wrote...
It was certainly more than the VS achieved ignoring Shep! :lol:

Yes yes so much more!

Seriously, like it or not, Shep got railroaded into being a d*ck that doesn't care. Is VS angel? No, but looking solely at what's written, it's Shep that's much more to blame.

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it only cheatin if u get caught tbh
tho dat only apply 2 me wen i took test heehee nvr got caugt cuz im hella slick n shyt heehee tbh
i wuld nvr chet in a relatinshp cuz im bout 2 get a gud gurl soon aka da goddess selene moonsong so she dunt gotta wurry tbh

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IsaacShep wrote...
Yes yes so much more!

Seriously, like it or not, Shep got railroaded into being a d*ck that doesn't care. Is VS angel? No, but looking solely at what's written, it's Shep that's much more to blame.


I really don't see Shep as being a dick to the VS. Because in that case Shep's a dick to everyone (and especially Liara who went through all that crap to revive him) because he never sent out an email. He was taking care of business like the VS. They had more important things to do than run into each others arms.

My Shep was perfectly fine with the VS not coming with him because hey...galaxy has more important things on its mind then their love affair. VS had things to do, Wrex had things to do, Liara had things to do, Anderson had things to do. It was really the lack of trust that killed the relationship for him and hey he's not saying the VS didn't have a damn good reason for not trusting him, they were more than justified. It just made a romance no longer possible for him. And no it's not because he wants blind faith. He's fine with what Anderson gave him, distrust but not hostility and the willingness to listen to his side even if they didn't believe it.

As far as my Shep's concerned he and Ash never really got to know each other as much as they should've  and Horizon highlighted that. Their relationship was doomed to end early because of that but Horizon just gave it a big ol highlight. Better sooner than later and all that jazz.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:30 .