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#101
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Ryzaki wrote...

He was taking care of business like the VS.

And still had plenty of time (FTL travels take time you know) to send that one email. He didn't. He also has "I'm sorry" to say. People who think Shep's all good in this situation just don't like that their character acted like a d*ck and they couldn't do anything about it, so they try to blame everyone else, especially VS.

Ryzaki wrote...

He's fine with what Anderson gave him, distrust but not hostility and the willingness to listen to his side even if they didn't believe it.

VS did the same. Didn't see Anderson running to join Shep & Cerberus thus doing more than VS.

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They had more important things to do than run into each others arms.

VS actually does hug Shep. To which Shep can respond "How you've been?" at best. @_@ VS is totally right to ask "That's all you've got to say?". Shep's lines on Horizon are just ugh...

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:35 .


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*le sigh* or the VS could've sent an email. Email excuse goes both ways.

No they didn't. They were openly hostile. They shut Shep down the second he mentioned Cerberus.

oh why am I bothering to continue. neither of us will change our minds.

The hug was pretty odd. Shep's "how you've been" was even odder but again as you keep saying it's only been a few weeks for Shep. Of course he/she is pretty casual about it.

But really if you're insisting it's cheating I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. My Shep moved on and my "loyal" Sheps are single and gonna get with Vega in ME3. And it still won't be cheating.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:37 .


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I have to side with ryzaki in this whole debate, my shep also decided to move on after Ashley turned her back on him. It want because he didn't care or being a dick it was because he felt the relationship was over.
As far as the email thing she was on a secret mission he asked Anderson where she was (and assuming how to get on touch) be he was denied, again snubbed after all he had done and sacrificed.
In the end it's all what each person decides for their character and how they interpret the story, what I believe for my character could be total bs for others.

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*le sigh* or the VS could've sent an email. Email excuse goes both ways.

VS didn't even know if it was true that Shep was alive. They only heard rumors. Yeah right, when you hear rumors. Shep on the other hand knew 100% he & VS were alive. Didn't do anything.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:37 .


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IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*le sigh* or the VS could've sent an email. Email excuse goes both ways.

VS didn't even know if it was true that Shep was alive. They only heard rumors. Yeah right, when you hear rumors. Shep on the other hand knew 100% he & VS were alive. Didn't do anything.


Hackett, Anderson.

Both sent emails. Both only knew rumors.

That's not an excuse. It becomes even less of an excuse once Shep goes back to the council and gets reinstated or punches that reporter on galatic television ...yet again.

And he didn't know where the VS was or how to get in contact with them. So...what he's supposed to clap his hands and believe a message will get to the VS? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:41 .


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^Anderson has contacts with Cerberus to confirm is it real or not and how to contact Shepard while Hackett would have find out about it from Anderson.


VS would just hear rumors.

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^Anderson has contacts with Cerberus to confirm is it real or not and how to contact Shepard while Hackett would have find out about it from Anderson.


VS would just hear rumors.


And what's stopping the VS from asking Anderson? 

Frankly I believe they were both perfectly justified in not contacting each other it's the putting the blame game on only one party that irks me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:42 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

The hug was pretty odd. Shep's "how you've been" was even odder but again as you keep saying it's only been a few weeks for Shep. Of course he/she is pretty casual about it.

But not for VS. Shep knows VS's been through Shep's death for 2 years. When he asks how VS 'been', he knows he asks about VS' perspective which couldn't have been anything but awful. Yet he still casually ask VS "How you've been" as if VS saw him/her a week ago.

Ryzaki wrote...

But really if you're insisting it's cheating I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. My Shep moved on and my "loyal" Sheps are single and gonna get with Vega in ME3. And it still won't be cheating.

Fine. Just drop this nonsense anti-VS crusade you've been on every since s/s romances announcement.

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And what's stopping the VS from asking Anderson?

Maybe they did and Anderson didn't tell them the truth? He didn't bother to tell VS Shep is alive, why would he answer 'yes' if asked? He got that info from Cerberus, it would've put him in a bad position if VS pushed to know where he got that info from.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:46 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Anderson has contacts with Cerberus to confirm is it real or not and how to contact Shepard while Hackett would have find out about it from Anderson.


VS would just hear rumors.


And what's stopping the VS from asking Anderson? 

Frankly I believe they were both perfectly justified in not contacting each other it's the putting the blame game on only one party that irks me.


What if they were unable at the time or Anderson didn't told them because it would distract them from critical mission if they knew Shepard is alive and works for an enemy?

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Probably because to Shep it *has* been a few weeks. Granted there should've been a variation for those Sheps that are more diplomatic but...then again Shep's always been about as subtle as a rampaging pink elephant.

Okay so how exactly was Shep supposed to get in contact with the VS Issac? Since as you say Anderson was running interference.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:47 .


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What if they were unable at the time or Anderson didn't told them because it would distract them from critical mission if they knew Shepard is alive and works for an enemy?


Information broker.

And really that reasoning applies for Shep as well which is why I get irked when only one party is blamed. It wasn't either of their fault. Circumstances forced them apart. They were busy. Things happen. Everyone can't just drop everything and run in slow mo towards each other to pronounce their undying devotion. Anderson and TIM were running interference.

They couldn't contact each other. What's so hard to understand about that? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:50 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

Probably because to Shep it *has* been a few weeks.

But not for VS and Shep knows it. If you woken up from coma and heard you were out for 2 years, for you it would be like yesterday but you would realize and sympathize with your family that lived through these 2 years you missed.

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Okay so how exactly was Shep supposed to get in contact with the VS Issac?

Like I said, write to VS personal email/phone? He/she SURELY knows VS personal contact info, after being together.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:50 .


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But not for VS and Shep knows it. If you woken up from coma and heard you were out for 2 years, for you it would be like yesterday but you would realize and sympathize with your family that lived through these 2 years you missed.


Yes I would. I also wouldn't be hounded by a bunch of space bugs trying to steal my body. Ignoring the stress Shep's under is ridculous. VS is the only one going through the wringer.

Like I said, write to VS personal email/phone? He/she SURELY knows VS personal contact info, after being together.


Same could be said for the VS even if they think Shep's dead as a Just in Case. Plus the VS could've changed his/her contact info. That happens. or Shep could've never known it. You can't assume Shep knew it just because.

And before you even say it we're both giving excuses. Ultimately the two didn't contact each other. Because they couldn't? Because they didn't have enough time? Because they didn't want to? I'm guessing that's left up to the player. Ultimately what's known is Shep did not contact HIS OWN MOTHER. I'm pretty sure he didn't do that just to be a dick. (unless you're playing renedouche). So if you want to insist your Shep knew the VS contact info sure whatever mine didn't.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:57 .


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Arguing over an e-mail that was impossible to send or receive.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Ultimately what's known is Shep did not contact HIS OWN MOTHER.

And then you argue Shep is an angel.

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IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ultimately what's known is Shep did not contact HIS OWN MOTHER.

And then you argue Shep is an angel.


Me arguing that Shep isn't a dick =/= Shep being an angel.

One of my fav Sheps is renedouche. I would never argue for Shep being an angel . You must be out of your mind.

My Shep is a flawed human being. Not a god, not a monster. Just a human who made mistakes. One of those mistakes was starting a relationship with someone he didn't know as well as he thought. Another was getting a dragon tattoo when he was 15.

That said I don't believe my Shep had the VS info.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 07:07 .


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The thing about these conversation is that it always falls to blaming either Shepard or blaming  the VS when  I really  feel that it is a bit more complicated than that.

I think both Shepard and VS are just victims of some unfortunate circumstance where neiher has all of the facts and are both being manipulated by their respective puppetmasters.  The Alliance and the Illusive Man, the Collectors and the Reapers, and of course, time and the emotional complications that would undoubtedly arise because of Shepard's resurrection.   These factors all contributed to a, ahem, communiction breakdown.  ;) Sometimes in a relationships (platonic, familial or romantic, take your pick) we communicate poorly and many a relatioship has ended because of malformed communication skills and habits.  Completely understandble and relateable and shouldn't be used to demonize anyone.  Also completely human. 

I do want to stick up for Shepard a little bit, because I don't think s/he's really given a fair shake either.  I can't imagine what it must have been like to be wake up and realize that two years of your life has been virtually taken away from because you were dead.  On top of that Shepard is immediately thrust into this very important mission with a bunch of strangers who s/he doesn't know, and doesn't trust without really having much opportunity to reconcile the reality of her/his death. 

The same aforementioned group of strangers who were your "saviors" were also your "enemies," the same enemies who did some pretty messed up stuff to you during your mission to stop Saren (if you're a sole survivor Shepard the situation is more complicated).  Shepard can ask about Ashley/Kaidan and be told that they're on a "top secret mission" by Anderson.  I could understand why Shepard would not pursue it anymore because as a former Alliance soldier, s/he would understand the importance maintaining that covert operation.  After you meet with them on Horizon, it feels like it wouldn't be right to email them. 

One of my canon Shepards is a Spacer/Sole Survivor who romanced Liara but considers Kaidan her best friend.  She didn't even get a chance to talk to her mother who I "head canon" is very close to her.  She felt horrible about it, but knew that she had a mission (a mission she wasn't even sure she'd survive again) to do and endeavored to talk to her about everything when she survived. When she ran into Kaidan, she was shocked and surprised.  It's only been a few weeks for Shepard and not two years.  The "it's been too long line"  corresponds well with the lapse of time that Shepard has exprienced and not the actual time that the VS experienced.  I don't think Shepard's being an a**, I think Shepard is just incapable of making the connection, s/he hasn't been allowed to since she first woke up.  I think that conversation would cause her to step back and reconsider implications of her death, and the passing of time.
This is getting tldr so I'll just end it here.:mellow:

Modifié par Village Idiot, 28 novembre 2011 - 07:04 .


#118
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Ryzaki wrote...

That said I don't believe my Shep had the VS info.

And he didn't had his mother info. Accept the fact it all doesn't make sense and thus your crusade to 'blame it on VS' is pointless.

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@Village Idiot: I do agree with what you're saying. And it's pretty sad that the only person Shep seems to be able to express those concerns about time passing seems to be Jacob during his romance. (I'm sure there's other times but I must've missed them).

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IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That said I don't believe my Shep had the VS info.

And he didn't had his mother info. Accept the fact it all doesn't make sense and thus your crusade to 'blame it on VS' is pointless.


Wrong Issac. I never blamed the VS for not getting in contact with Shep. I blamed them for their stint on Horizon. Not nearly the same thing.

And frankly my Sheps are colonists so the mother issue isn't an issue with them :whistle: But for my *one* Spacer he's not in a romance with the VS and his mom contacted him before he could contact her. :lol:

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Wrong Issac. I never blamed the VS for not getting in contact with Shep. I blamed them for their stint on Horizon. Not nearly the same thing.

Which connects to Shep not giving a damn about letting VS know he's alive. They even tell you that lol "Why didn't you try to contact me? Why didn/t you let me know you were alive?"

Ryzaki wrote...
And frankly my Sheps are colonists so the mother issue isn't an issue with them :whistle: But for my *one* Spacer he's not in a romance with the VS and his mom contacted him before he could contact her. :lol:

Really? Ohh so mother issue ain't relevant here. So we're back to Shep who knows 100% he and VS are both alive and still doesn't contact VS. In comparsion, VS only hears weird rumors.

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Arguing over an e-mail that was impossible to send or receive.


Yeah, the level the VS fans can go to defend the VS betrayal of Shep on Horizon really have no limits.

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Yeah, the level the VS fans can go to defend the VS betrayal of Shep on Horizon really have no limits.

The level the VS haters can go to defend their perfect "Can do no wrong! Bow to me slaves! Be grateful for everything I did wrong to you!" Shepards knows no limits.

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Yes yes Issac. Shepard is the big meanie while the VS can do no wrong. Clearly. Because not being able to get in contact with the VS IS ALL SHEP'S FAULT even when the VS didn't attempt to do the same. Because Shep running around the citadel, being reinstated in the Specteres (because there would've been no documentation of this AT ALL) being allowed access to the Citadel, running around giving interviews (or punching reporters on the face during live television when even said reporter knows he's alive.) or saying it's his favorite store on the Citadel. Nope. The VS can freely ignore that while Shep is beholden to invisible information he had on the VS's wereabouts and info.

I mean fair is fair right? If Shep can pull info out his ass so can the VS.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2011 - 07:23 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

Yes yes Issac. Shepard is the big meanie while the VS can do no wrong. Clearly. Because not being able to get in contact with the VS IS ALL SHEP'S FAULT even when the VS didn't attempt to do the same.

Yes yes, clearly it was as easy for VS to contact Shep since VS knew 100% for sure Shep was alive and totally didn't just heard hard-to-grasp rumors. Ohh yes and the rumors mentioned Shep is now best-buddies with Cerberus. Yes, these rumors made so much sense!

EDIT: Ohh yes and VS totally WAS at the Citadel during that time before Horizon and yes, the fact Shep was at the Citadel and already left must mean there are hundreds Shep new telefon numbers to Cerberus-built Normandy SR2 written all over Citadel walls. And it's totally not like Anderson probably tried to not allow contact with VS.  After all Anderson confirmed to VS that Shep is alive yes yes. He totally didn't have to cover his ass for getting that info from Cerberus.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 novembre 2011 - 07:28 .