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Dean_the_Young wrote...

When has Bioware, as opposed to fans, called it cheating?


oh - everywhere really.  twitter feeds, bioware pulse, printed media etc.

don't know if its another one of those "Kaiden in game files" vs  "Kaidan everywhere else, including in game subtitles, and character tags", though 

spoiler bellow, read at your own risk

there is a line of dialogue that Kaidan of all people is supposed to be saying - something about understanding why Shepard cheated, but he still loves her.  I was facepalming so hard at that for so many reasons, I practicaly bruised my forehead

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@Leah: yeah, I sincerely hope that spoiler doesn't make it into the game. It makes no sense, and people are going whine FOREVER about that one line.

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jeweledleah wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

When has Bioware, as opposed to fans, called it cheating?


oh - everywhere really.  twitter feeds, bioware pulse, printed media etc.

don't know if its another one of those "Kaiden in game files" vs  "Kaidan everywhere else, including in game subtitles, and character tags", though 

spoiler bellow, read at your own risk


Could you please PM the line? ^_^

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Lizardviking wrote...

Could you please PM the line? ^_^


that spoiler I posted - that's pretty much it.

@ Syllogi.. yeah, no kidding.  and I'm going to be right at the front of the whine brigade :lol:

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Is it considered cheating if you leave the innocent good girl for the fun one with tattoos and scars?

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Chun Hei wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Since shapeshifter and spirit healer both kinda suck you can play an arcane bloodmage without penalty and wear regular armour.


I have the same issue with BM in DAO as I do in DA2. No one calls you out for using it.


I thought Wynne calls you out on it if you use it in her presense?


nah that was a mod restoration. in the vanilla game that was taken out. \\

@jeweled: Yeah that line just...no.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 novembre 2011 - 12:17 .


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What idiot said it was cheating? It was one night, two years ago. That's pretty much all that needs said. Because I find it hard to believe Kaidan/Ashely hasn't had sex in two years. Aw hell naw. That's creepy ****.

Modifié par Eustacia, 29 novembre 2011 - 12:28 .


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Shepard would be cheating if he actually was in a romantic relationship with Ashley while having sex with somebody else, but he isn't, unless you consider sleeping together once, dying for two years, waking up and then fighting a relationship, I don't. If Shepard and Ashley were in good terms when Shepard banged Tali then he would be cheating, but they were not. Maybe it would be cheating too if Shepard slept with someone before meeting Ashley. In my point of view Shepard didn't cheat.

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android654 wrote...

Is it considered cheating if you leave the innocent good girl for the fun one with tattoos and scars?


if by innocent good girl you mean Liara - only if you played Shadow broker and told her you are done with Jack.

@ the "it was just one night" argument.  sigh.  it was a relationship that's been building up for some time, from catious flirting to hear to hearts, to Ilos. it was pretty damn obvious that by the time that night came around - VS at least was pretty damn serious.  reducing it to numer of times they had sex is just...so very..  my english fails me, unfortunately.

still doesn't mean it was cheating, but not becasue of "just one night"  but rather because of passage of time and the fact that you didn't exactly reconcile.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 29 novembre 2011 - 12:36 .


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jeweledleah wrote...

@ the "it was just one night" argument.  sigh.  it was a relationship that's been building up for some time, from catious flirting to hear to hearts, to Ilos. it was pretty damn obvious that by the time that night came around - VS at least was pretty damn serious.  reducing it to numer of times they had sex is just...so very..  my english fails me, unfortunately.

still doesn't mean it was cheating, but not becasue of "just one night"  but rather because of passage of time and the fact that you didn't exactly reconcile.


The relationship was hardly building up. It jumped right up into deep connection by a few conversations (and that's only because BioWare needed a finish for the romances). That's what I mean by one night; sex was only a part of it (but it was a part of it).

Modifié par Eustacia, 29 novembre 2011 - 12:42 .


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jeweledleah wrote...

android654 wrote...

Is it considered cheating if you leave the innocent good girl for the fun one with tattoos and scars?


if by innocent good girl you mean Liara - only if you played Shadow broker and told her you are done with Jack.


Wait you can tell her your 'done' with someone? 


I have to agree that it's not really cheating, at all. 

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Dean_the_Young wrote...


When has Bioware, as opposed to fans, called it cheating?

I think Liara felt cheated on when you do LotSB post SM and when you had a new relationship already, am I right?

And if I remember correctly, BW said the VS will bring up a dialogue addressing that new LI in case of Shepard had the VS as ME1!LI but went after another one in ME2.
I bet there we'll see the word "cheating" or something similar.

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Even if you remove the whole "I cannot believe the VS did not follow me blindly!" charge it was pretty clear that VS considers the relationship over although s/he did send a letter saying reconciliation was possible. That is why I do not think there will be a bunch of fighting if s/he finds out you picked a new LI in
ME2. Unless you want to have it both ways. Even Liara got over it in LotSB if you play it after beating ME2.

Yeah, but Liara wasn't very happy, am I right? Sorry, have no playthrough with Liara as LI ...

However - it's interpretation. I bet BW will clear things up in ME3 - either by the VS who's addressing the new LI in some dialogue. For now both interpretations work: ME!romance is over / ME!romance is not over. The
letter can be understand as "kick the closed door open again for a new attempt", if you like, but you don't have to see it that way.

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Shepard would be cheating if he actually was in a romantic relationship with Ashley while having sex with somebody else, but he isn't, unless you consider sleeping together once, dying for two years, waking up and then fighting a relationship, I don't. If Shepard and Ashley were in good terms when Shepard banged
Tali then he would be cheating, but they were not. Maybe it would be cheating too if Shepard slept with someone before meeting Ashley. In my point of view Shepard didn't cheat.

It depends on how much time you see passing between first flirt (post Eden Prime) to "the deed" prior Ilos. Something between 3 and 9 months seem to work for me. Shepard and Ashley (Kaidan, Liara) took a lot of time to build up something. Sure, they "did it only once on screen", but do we now how much it happened before Shepard died? There was still another month left, maybe a tad more. I even bet Shepard's LI told him in that time about her or his feelings. Sure, that's just headcanon here, feel free to make your own. However, there was one more month of relationship we simply didn't see - but that month happened, canonical.

I think all three LI consider the love to Shepard as "the big deal".

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android654 wrote...

Is it considered cheating if you leave the innocent good girl for the fun one with tattoos and scars?


if by innocent good girl you mean Liara - only if you played Shadow broker and told her you are done with Jack.

@ the "it was just one night" argument.  sigh.  it was a relationship that's been building up for some time, from catious flirting to hear to hearts, to Ilos. it was pretty damn obvious that by the time that night came around - VS at least was pretty damn serious.  reducing it to numer of times they had sex is just...so very..  my english fails me, unfortunately.

still doesn't mean it was cheating, but not becasue of "just one night"  but rather because of passage of time and the fact that you didn't exactly reconcile.

I concur. As I said before, there was still another month post!game - means, something did happen there. I bet Shepard and the LI had a lot of lovely time then, not only sex but also some romantic stuff. Maybe they had a week shore leave or so - and spent some time together. C'mon guys, you can't be that fanciless or inexperienced!

I need to say it once more: for the ME1!LI, the romance with Shepard was the big deal. In ME2 it depends on the player to decide if Shepard's old romance is still active or not. BW will clear things up in ME3, it will get addressed if Shepard did go after a new love. There will be a decision Shepard has to take. And no, that's not a spoiler, I never read the romance spoilers!

Modifié par CptData, 29 novembre 2011 - 07:31 .