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[Harmless Citizen]

Oh, come now. How "realistic" was ME1 anyway? The antagonists are a fleet of mech Cthulhu from deep in the intergalactic void.

[Ryzaki]

Random Nobody wrote...

Oh, come now. How "realistic" was ME1 anyway? The antagonists are a fleet of mech Cthulhu from deep in the intergalactic void.

Thank you.

ME1 was not some holy grail of realism compared to ME2.

[Harmless Citizen]

*Points at the asari in ME1*

[ODST 3]

When Princess Leia got Han out of the carbonite, she shouldn't have kissed him, she should have said they were just friends because it had been a long time and they'd been far apart and that's just more realistic, right?

[PrinceLionheart]

Funkcase wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

I'm saying this for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is the time that has passed between them but most importantly, based in part on real life, how many of us want to get back together with someone who dumped us?

Did we play the same game? Shepard died he/she wasn't dumped, and Horizon was nothing more than a argument, and relationships always have arguments. So it's realistic enough. Anwyay even if it wasn't realistic it wouldn't matter, realism went out the window for Mass Effect when Shepard came back from the dead.

At the risk of derailing the thread, I'm starting to realize why some of the "romances" are so much more popular then others. It seems more like people are more interested in having a partner that is 100% agreeable with them.

[CptData]

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

Well ya know..apparently when your trying to escape earth, Kaidan/Ashley is your ticket outta earth.

But, I'd get back together with Kaidan/Ashley, an Email won't cut it but they'll have some hella explaining to do yaknowbros?

But suffice to say, me and Legion have become quite close homies in our short period of time, and I already promised Legion that I'd take to get some of dat fresh oil (not dat cheap kind).

So technically answer: I'd get back together wid em. Dis aient real life, Reapers arent stormin earth, if they are thats gon be the reason that "the world is ending".

Hard to read 'specially as German ...
Whatever: I don't think the VS has to explain you anything, but Shepard has to tell a lot of stuff to convince the VS why s/he did what s/he did for Cerberus.

[StephanieBengal]

Stardusk78 wrote...

I'm saying this for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is the time that has passed between them but most importantly, based in part on real life, how many of us want to get back together with someone who dumped us? Seriously...so I meet up with my ex a few years down the line and forget that she dumped me (and in my case cheated on me) and say, sure, let's give it another try. Shepard has got to be smoking crack, time and distance weaken feelings, that's just a fact so it is perfectly understandable that the VS kind of has forgotten about Shepard. I'm making an exception for Liara but even she offers the 'just friends' line. When relationships are done, they are done so for the sake of realism don't do it Shepard!

You want realism in a game that doesn't have a lot of realism for the game setting. When you see a Turian at the mall and it speaks to you let me know. 

On another note, you know how many people have messed up relationships where they break up, get back together, break up? You'd be surprised, when feelings are involved people aren't very logical. 

Crazy loves crazy, stupid loves stupid. 

[Nightdragon8]

ODST 3 wrote...

When Princess Leia got Han out of the carbonite, she shouldn't have kissed him, she should have said they were just friends because it had been a long time and they'd been far apart and that's just more realistic, right?

^ point well said

granted in this case he was pretty much pronunced dead. Also the fact that Shep didn't even bother to call them... although everyone was stonewalling him into contacting them, "classified Mission" Can't talk about it with you.

I mean hell not even the Illusive Man could contact them. (tho how true that is can never really been said)

Tho with the Spacer background the VS should take the fact that Shep didn't contact there parents as a sign that maybe its true.

[Kidd]

Stardusk78 wrote...

I'm saying this for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is the time that has passed between them but most importantly, based in part on real life, how many of us want to get back together with someone who dumped us? Seriously...so I meet up with my ex a few years down the line and forget that she dumped me (and in my case cheated on me) and say, sure, let's give it another try.

Is it really that weird I've been cursing my own faults for half a year and wishing I could go back?

Not reaching for sympathy, just trying to show a human face on the idea that you're wrong about how romantic feelings work - at least for some of us.

[CptData]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

I'm saying this for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is the time that has passed between them but most importantly, based in part on real life, how many of us want to get back together with someone who dumped us? Seriously...so I meet up with my ex a few years down the line and forget that she dumped me (and in my case cheated on me) and say, sure, let's give it another try.

Is it really that weird I've been cursing my own faults for half a year and wishing I could go back?

Not reaching for sympathy, just trying to show a human face on the idea that you're wrong about how romantic feelings work - at least for some of us.

Oh, I know a lot of guys wanting their girls back. Some of them got dumped, other dumped their GF. They want to get their ex back because they realized something important.

Whatever, we're living in a time where a text message is enough to start or end a long lasting relationship. Mankind became kinda shallow in the western world. Maybe that's the reason why a lot of the younger guys don't fully get the meaning of love. God, I'm not even 30, but I talk like my own grandpa ...

[Kidd]

CptData wrote...

Oh, I know a lot of guys wanting their girls back. Some of them got dumped, other dumped their GF. They want to get their ex back because they realized something important.

Whatever, we're living in a time where a text message is enough to start or end a long lasting relationship. Mankind became kinda shallow in the western world. Maybe that's the reason why a lot of the younger guys don't fully get the meaning of love. God, I'm not even 30, but I talk like my own grandpa ...

I hear you. I say a lot of similar things and I'm just 26 ;D So don't feel bad about it!

Back to the topic at hand ^^ Derailing is baaaad.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 29 novembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[CptData]

It's not really derailing when talking about how "love" works and why Shepard and the VS should go back together. I have the feeling in ME the characters -have- an idea how love works. Okay, Shepard only got as much ideas as the player has, but Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Tali, Jacob, Garrus, Thane ... they have an idea. I'm not 100% sure about Miranda and definitely know that Jack saw far too much abusing guys - she won't ever fully trust Shepard. Trust is a prereq for love. Don't hit me ^^

I'm sure Shepard can regain trust of the VS, but before that, their love won't work that well.

[V-rex]

Sometimes if people love each other enough, they can overlook or give a second chance to a lot of things and I see no reason why Horizon would be any different.
Especially given that as others have pointed out, everyone has a preference for how they imagine their own personal Shepard. Sure s/he's basically a blank preset canvas made to fit a role in a story but ultimatley the choices we make and the characters we like form the 'paint' for this canvas and that is what makes it entirely our own.
My Shepard adores Ashley, and even though her reaction on Horizon was a long way from great, he stayed faithful holding desperatley onto the hope that he and she can mend the damage. Plus on a personal note she was the choice I made and I am known for standing stubbornly behind every choice I've ever made.

I can understand why some would choose to consider Horizon 'curtains' for any possible future relationship with the VS but understand that some of us don't think it would be 'weird' at all if they got back together and have been hoping to see that story line unfold for up to two years now.

Some may think it wierd to want to stay by a character who has been handed a very crummy hand by Bioware, well I maintain that it's also wierd for someone to return from the dead with a goal to battle giant robot cuttlefish.

[Clara Shepard]

Random Nobody wrote...

You have a hell of a lot of holes that you fill with both narrative and personal assumptions, mate.

But I'll leave this for someone who cares.

That would be me!

Stardusk78

I'm saying this for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is the time that has passed between them but most importantly, based in part on real life, how many of us want to get back together with someone who dumped us? Seriously...so I meet up with my ex a few years down the line and forget that she dumped me (and in my case cheated on me) and say, sure, let's give it another try. Shepard has got to be smoking crack, time and distance weaken feelings, that's just a fact so it is perfectly understandable that the VS kind of has forgotten about Shepard. I'm making an exception for Liara but even she offers the 'just friends' line. When relationships are done, they are done so for the sake of realism don't do it Shepard!

First, for people who stayed faithful(which I'm guesing isn't you) there is no "cheating" go on, it's 2 people who were madly in love but were seperated by death.  If anything the "Distance makes the heart grow fonder" applies to them both, because Kaidan still hasn't even gotten over Shepard yet... and Shepard, well, if you stay faithful of course you want to go forward.  So both want a relationship again.  And the VS hasn't "forgotten" Shepard, in the Horizon letter (which I know you either didn't read or hardly read) is the VS explaining that they still have feelings for Shepard and in ME3 will want to be with them again if they feel the same.  So actually, it's not weird, it's like if 2 people (irl) were seperated for some strange reason while being very in love and just happen to find each other again and still love each other.  Now if you cheated in ME2 then it's weird... because love triangles are always awkward.  But faithful are going strong  (Raphael gives us some good Kaidan spoilers! =D)

[Kable147]

Ok gotta sound like the dummy but what does VS stand for? I know who your talking about but just trying to figure out the acronym.

[KyreneZA]

Kable147 wrote...

Ok gotta sound like the dummy but what does VS stand for? I know who your talking about but just trying to figure out the acronym.

VS = Virtually Suicidal

[CptData]

Kable147 wrote...

Ok gotta sound like the dummy but what does VS stand for? I know who your talking about but just trying to figure out the acronym.

Ignore Kyrene: VS stands for "Virmire Survivor". That's either Kaidan or Ashley - depending on your choice.

[KyreneZA]

CptData wrote...

Kable147 wrote...

Ok gotta sound like the dummy but what does VS stand for? I know who your talking about but just trying to figure out the acronym.

Ignore Kyrene: VS stands for "Virmire Survivor". That's either Kaidan or Ashley - depending on your choice.

Ignore the good Cpt: VS stands for "Virtually Suicidal," even if they were initially the "Virmire Survivor" and later, on Horizon, the "Very Stupid," and then even later the "Victorious SpecTRe".

[jeweledleah]

it wasn't really a dumping. it was a fight. a serious one, but still, not something that cannot be resolved if there's a will. real life relationships are not all smooth sailing. if you give up on something potentially amazing becasue on one fight that was perpetuated by outside sources no less (thank you TIM and the gang), then I don't know what to tell you other then good luck with your personal life.

before my husband and i got married we broke up once. there was an argument, a misunderstanding and we haven't spoken to or seen each other at all for a while. considering that 90% of our friends were mutual, that was a fit to accomplish. And then we got back together after resolving the issues that broke us apart. and then sometimes later - we got married. we had some major fights early on in our marriage. slammed doors, painful insults, demands of divorce, the whole deal. but we worked through it - because it was worth it.
few years back something happened that put me into a state where I might as well have been dead, figuratively speaking. for more then 2 years, he was pulling us through, taking up both our responsibilities. he never gave up on me. becasue for him - it was worth it.

my best friend from college was in a long distance relationship with her husband for 4 years. it wasn't all sunshine and daisies either. but somehow, they managed and pulled through.

so I have very real and very personal examples that relationships that are worth it - can weather a lot. and thrive in the end. as long as you want it badly enough.

how you interpret your Shepard's relationship with VS.. is completely up to you. but there's enough room there, enough of an opening for those of us who think its worth it - to work it out.

time, space, distance, fights and misunderstandings.. it can all be dealt with. as long as you feel that its worth it.

[Silver77nz]

Oh look another VS thread!!!! At least the writers know people are still thinking about the VS. The argument is based partly on rl huh? You can base your rl relationships on you dying and then meeting again with your past lover? Oh wait that can't be done:huh: Unless your Jesus !!! Ok so you show up after being dead and your with the KKK:devil: Your past lover is upset I wonder why!? Your lover won't believe that your Space Jesus and how dare they question you for being with a terriost organization<_< They should of never questioned Space Jesus and should of just fallen to their knees and worship Shepard. Yes Shepard I will join the KKK and follow you to the ends of space. Pfft they stood their ground! Pfft they should of not ever moved on while I was gone for 2 yrs!!! How dare they those cheaters:crying: Then later they decided that hey even if you are Space Jesus and your allied with a terrorist organization it's ok they still reach out and say they still care. So once I quit this gig of being in the KKK I think I will give the VS another shot. Why? Cause they didn't bow down and kiss my ass, they put up with me even while working for Cerberus, they reached out to me first, they had a emotional reaction which is ok because I have experienced saying stupid **** out of pure emotion and I've only been conscious for 6 months so I'm sure if I truly loved Kaidan the emotions are still there. Anyhoo, I can't put my rl past relationship reactions to the scenerio on Horizion cause this type of situation doesn't exist in rl only in Sci-fi.

Modifié par Silverpearl1977, 29 novembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Badpie]

ODST 3 wrote...

When Princess Leia got Han out of the carbonite, she shouldn't have kissed him, she should have said they were just friends because it had been a long time and they'd been far apart and that's just more realistic, right?

I Lol'd

Also as a grown up I find it hard to believe that anyone wants a relationship that doesn't have differences, hardships and obstacles to overcome.  No need for melodrama but how boring is someone who agrees with you all the time? My Shep prefers his friends, colleagues and lovers to be honest and independent, not hero-worshippers.  And if you think a relationship ends because of a fight, or feelings go away because because you haven't been able to see each other for a long time, then you obviously have never been in any kind of relationship that didn't happen over summer vacation before you went back to high school.

Modifié par Badpie, 29 novembre 2011 - 03:29 .

[jlb524]

"Unrealistic" is just another way to say "waaa waaaa, I don't like it!"

[Errol Dnamyx]

Perhaps there is more depth in a relationship that has weathered some storms~

[CptData]

Badpie wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

When Princess Leia got Han out of the carbonite, she shouldn't have kissed him, she should have said they were just friends because it had been a long time and they'd been far apart and that's just more realistic, right?

I Lol'd

Also as a grown up I find it hard to believe that anyone wants a relationship that doesn't have differences, hardships and obstacles to overcome.  No need for melodrama but how boring is someone who agrees with you all the time? My Shep prefers his friends, colleagues and lovers to be honest and independent, not hero-worshippers.  And if you think a relationship ends because of a fight, or feelings go away because because you haven't been able to see each other for a long time, then you obviously have never been in any kind of relationship that didn't happen over summer vacation before you went back to high school.

Indeed. The funny thing is: an easy going relationship is a boring one. I can speak of experience - I feel far more connected to my fiancee when things go bad for one of us. Or when having arguments ...
I'm not addicted to drama or something. But an easy going relationship usually means that emotions die off. At the end you don't know why you're together with your partner, because the love died as well.

Love shines brightest in the darkness.