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[Killjoy Cutter]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I consider myself part of the "rpg crowd". Who are you do decide what it is I want? I can assure you that a significant portion of Biowares fan base would love to see them do multiplayer again. Thats right, again. They've done it before. DA3 will not go back to the DAO roots. It will be more of the same hack and slash, new art styled, fully voiced DA2. It's the direction Bioware has chosen to take with their franchise, just like mass effect is becoming a stronger shooter. Despite what you said about Hal Jordan and Sherlock Holmes, consumers do not have a right to dictate how a company approaches its own intellectual property. You act as if by becoming more accessible to players, what you guys refer to as dumbing down, that they'll lose out on the rpg crowd and not fill in those gaps. That's completely wrong. I have a lot of casual gamer friends who I recommended da2 to who loved it. The only complaint they had was the level progression was confusing and there was too much dialogue. They wanted more action. They're part of biowares fan base now, so what right do you have to say that they can't request more action in game if that's what they prefer? Don't be an elitist. Have fun and play the game for what it is - a game.


-Polite

It's drawing in that "more action, less talk, " that was a mistake in the first place.  They have an entire gaming industry targeted towards their preferences -- leave something different for those of us who prefer what DA:O and ME had to offer. 

But I guess that's not possible... it's only by pulling in that big market segment that a gaming company can fulfil the dream of having tie-in marketing campaigns with Jeep...

[Jaron Oberyn]

Bad scores? I recall DA2 getting some pretty good reviews. Off the top of my head IGN gave it an 8.5 I believe. It did well. The only people who were negative regarding the game were those who wanted more origins and were afraid of change.

-Polite

[xkg]

PoliteAssasin wrote...
The only people who were negative regarding the game were those who wanted more origins and were afraid of change.

  there is nothing more to say here.

[Killjoy Cutter]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Bad scores? I recall DA2 getting some pretty good reviews. Off the top of my head IGN gave it an 8.5 I believe. It did well. The only people who were negative regarding the game were those who wanted more origins and were afraid of change.

LoL, whatever. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

"Dragon age 2 is the best game in biowares fantasy roleplaying franchise" - IGN

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1154229p1.html


It seems that the professional critics disagree with you.


-Polite

[furryrage59]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Bad scores? I recall DA2 getting some pretty good reviews. Off the top of my head IGN gave it an 8.5 I believe. It did well. The only people who were negative regarding the game were those who wanted more origins and were afraid of change.

-Polite

Wow, just........wow.

[KingDan97]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Bad scores? I recall DA2 getting some pretty good reviews. Off the top of my head IGN gave it an 8.5 I believe. It did well. The only people who were negative regarding the game were those who wanted more origins and were afraid of change.

-Polite

Everyone knows if a game doesn't get at least 6/5 it's not worth the time of day, silly Polite.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The professional critics are largely the unofficial shills for the gaming industry.

[xkg]

PoliteAssasin wrote...
"Dragon age 2 is the best game in biowares fantasy roleplaying franchise" - IGN

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1154229p1.html

It seems that the professional critics disagree with you.
-Polite

And it seems this professional critic disagree with the above one.


Defying all expectations, BioWare managed to take one of the most memorable Western RPGs in recent history and completely destroyed everything that made it so good
http://www.gamecriti...n-age-ii-review


So what's your point ?

Modifié par xkg, 08 décembre 2011 - 04:03 .

[KingDan97]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The professional critics are largely the unofficial shills for the gaming industry.

The only thing reviewers are guilty of by and large is only using the 7-10 scale and reserving anything beneath for unplayable messes, tie-in games and trash games.

The reason behind that is that the standard quality of games is rising so fast that last year's 10 is this years 8, through graphics, gameplay and voice acting, it's all improving a ton.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Lol guys I kid I kid. I was thinking about applying for marketing at bioware and decided to get a little practice. I would have thought you'd know this Dan given my history with Smudboy/Zulu on rpg elements and such.

On topic though. In all seriousness I do agree that this doesn't seem like the right move given the terrible nature of DA2. You would expect them to try to reassure their core fans that they're not selling out, and yet it looks like they're continuing to sell out. And I just don't see how it can happen without changing the combat significantly, unless it's coop only. The article mentioned pvp which would be impossible with the current combat mechanics.


-Polite

[KingDan97]

xkg wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
"Dragon age 2 is the best game in biowares fantasy roleplaying franchise" - IGN

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1154229p1.html

It seems that the professional critics disagree with you.
-Polite

And it seems this professional critic disagree with the above one.


Defying all expectations, BioWare managed to take one of the most memorable Western RPGs in recent history and completely destroyed everything that made it so good
http://www.gamecriti...n-age-ii-review


So what's your point ?

"The advancements in RPG mechanics would be enough to set it apart, but the real achievement of Dragon Age II is in the story-telling. I could point out the improved combat and graphics till there's blood covering my face, but BioWare is one of the few companies that uses the advanced computing power available to modern game designers to let you actually play a role."
http://www.escapistm...n-Age-II-Review

Considering that the review you quoted is an outlier by over 20 points, it wouldn't even be included in a scientific plot of all the scores.

So what's your point?

Modifié par KingDan97, 08 décembre 2011 - 04:23 .

[KingDan97]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Lol guys I kid I kid. I was thinking about applying for marketing at bioware and decided to get a little practice. I would have thought you'd know this Dan given my history with Smudboy/Zulu on rpg elements and such.

On topic though. In all seriousness I do agree that this doesn't seem like the right move given the terrible nature of DA2. You would expect them to try to reassure their core fans that they're not selling out, and yet it looks like they're continuing to sell out. And I just don't see how it can happen without changing the combat significantly, unless it's coop only. The article mentioned pvp which would be impossible with the current combat mechanics.


-Polite

I always hold out hope you'll come back to the side of good Polite, largely because of the faith you'd had in Bioware when you used to debate with Zulu/Smud. But alas poor Yorik, twas not meant to be.

Aside from that I am of the opinion that the pure RPG mechanics that this forum so often clamors for are impossible to deliver outside of the framework of a JRPG. RPGs have always been coated over another gameplay type, Bioware is just choosing to put them to something a little faster paced than their old methods(Shooters and Hack N' Slash over dungeon crawlers and turn-based). It's a large scale shift that's clear accross the industry, but feel free to keep raging against the machine.

Modifié par KingDan97, 08 décembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[furryrage59]

xkg wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
"Dragon age 2 is the best game in biowares fantasy roleplaying franchise" - IGN

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1154229p1.html

It seems that the professional critics disagree with you.
-Polite

And it seems this professional critic disagree with the above one.


Defying all expectations, BioWare managed to take one of the most memorable Western RPGs in recent history and completely destroyed everything that made it so good
http://www.gamecriti...n-age-ii-review


So what's your point ?

How refreshing to read an honest review. And couldn't agree more with it.

[DAYtheELF]

Oiy, I hope DA3 isnt a full MMO thing.. I hate multi-players... Now, as an add-on or side-thing it could be alright...

[Fast Jimmy]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Lol guys I kid I kid. I was thinking about applying for marketing at bioware and decided to get a little practice. I would have thought you'd know this Dan given my history with Smudboy/Zulu on rpg elements and such.

On topic though. In all seriousness I do agree that this doesn't seem like the right move given the terrible nature of DA2. You would expect them to try to reassure their core fans that they're not selling out, and yet it looks like they're continuing to sell out. And I just don't see how it can happen without changing the combat significantly, unless it's coop only. The article mentioned pvp which would be impossible with the current combat mechanics.


-Polite

Polite, I don't know about Bioware, but if I ever need a marketting VP, you're on my short list.

But on topic, I stand by my original statement in this thread: don't let Bioware play soccer. Support a Single Player only campaign.

[Morroian]

furryrage59 wrote...

How refreshing to read an honest review. And couldn't agree more with it.

So by impliction all reviews praising the game are dishonest? Those of us who like the game a lot are being dishonest with ourselves and really hate it?

[Aaleel]

KingDan97 wrote...

xkg wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
"Dragon age 2 is the best game in biowares fantasy roleplaying franchise" - IGN

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1154229p1.html

It seems that the professional critics disagree with you.
-Polite

And it seems this professional critic disagree with the above one.


Defying all expectations, BioWare managed to take one of the most memorable Western RPGs in recent history and completely destroyed everything that made it so good
http://www.gamecriti...n-age-ii-review


So what's your point ?

"The advancements in RPG mechanics would be enough to set it apart, but the real achievement of Dragon Age II is in the story-telling. I could point out the improved combat and graphics till there's blood covering my face, but BioWare is one of the few companies that uses the advanced computing power available to modern game designers to let you actually play a role."
http://www.escapistm...n-Age-II-Review

Considering that the review you quoted is an outlier by over 20 points, it wouldn't even be included in a scientific plot of all the scores.

So what's your point?

These reviews just prove the point as with most other things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Defying all expectations, BioWare managed to take one of the most
memorable Western RPGs in recent history and completely destroyed
everything that made it so good. I have absolutely no idea how such a
respected development house could have made so many colossal mistakes
and turned out such an unpleasantly rushed, shallow, utter waste of
time... but they did, and it is

I didn't like the game but it was not this bad.

A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be.

But my dog sat up and said WTF when I read this aloud

And this:

If I have a concern, it's that certain dungeons below Kirkwall are visited two or three times with only small variations

More like 10+ times with no variations. 

[xkg]

KingDan97 wrote...

xkg wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
"Dragon age 2 is the best game in biowares fantasy roleplaying franchise" - IGN

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1154229p1.html

It seems that the professional critics disagree with you.
-Polite

And it seems this professional critic disagree with the above one.


Defying all expectations, BioWare managed to take one of the most memorable Western RPGs in recent history and completely destroyed everything that made it so good
http://www.gamecriti...n-age-ii-review


So what's your point ?

"The advancements in RPG mechanics would be enough to set it apart, but the real achievement of Dragon Age II is in the story-telling. I could point out the improved combat and graphics till there's blood covering my face, but BioWare is one of the few companies that uses the advanced computing power available to modern game designers to let you actually play a role."
http://www.escapistm...n-Age-II-Review

Considering that the review you quoted is an outlier by over 20 points, it wouldn't even be included in a scientific plot of all the scores.

So what's your point?

My point was to show him that there are not only positive reviews out there.

But what's your point ?


BTW - On score aggregator sites like Metacritic the review I quoted is considered to be legit. So please take your scientific theories elsewhere.

Modifié par xkg, 09 décembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[Fast Jimmy]

You cannot have a statistical outlier based off two or three pieces of data. You'd need a complete set to even begin to develop a base in which to actually SPOT an outlier.

So the data methods you are using are wildly invalid, like you just learned about them the first time on Tuesday in Sophomore math class.

[RPGamer13]

My two cents:

First, there's no media for Dragon Age III so that alone makes me write it off.

Second, though Chris Priestly's track record with his reply in this thread, usually means it's actually true, they just can't say anything about it.

Last, I see the potential in multiplayer for Mass Effect 3, but I'm just no sure how they could make it work for Dragon Age short of a MMO type thing like in Final Fantasy XI where you can influence who holds power in an area through competitive multiplayer games.

[KingDan97]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

You cannot have a statistical outlier based off two or three pieces of data. You'd need a complete set to even begin to develop a base in which to actually SPOT an outlier.

So the data methods you are using are wildly invalid, like you just learned about them the first time on Tuesday in Sophomore math class.

The over 70 reviews on metacritic. With his being a 25 and the next highest one being a 50. STATISTICAL OUTLIER. Don't patronize me just because you're too lazy to use Google.

But then again, I am in the general forum, homeland of haters who only played the demo before drafting up their 0 metacritic user scores and pirates, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Modifié par KingDan97, 09 décembre 2011 - 05:31 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

I agree. Chris priestly used almost the exact same statement when strong rumors of me3 multiplayer came out. It's definitely in DA, unfortunately.


-Polite

[Plaintiff]

This whole debate over whether or not SP and MP can "mix" is utterly retarded. Even if DA3 has a multiplayer component, which it may well not, who says it will be part of the SP campaign? It could be a completely separate thing, which is, in fact, how most games handle their multiplayer component these days. At worst, some characters might cross over.
I have to love how people are assuming that Kotaku is reporting accurately, ony to go about cherry-picking only the aspects of the article that they personally find distressing. I'd especially like to draw your attention to this line in particular, which everyone seems content to ignore:

The insider wasn’t sure if Dragon Age multiplayer was going to be part of a full, stand-alone title (ala Dragon Age 3) or available separately as a downloadable game.

And even if multiplayer is included in DA3, simply being on the game disc doesn't mean it has anything to do with the single-player campaign. The Assassins Creed games have multiplayer available as part of the base package of the game, but the two do not intersect at any point.

I highly enjoy the Dragon Age franchise, and welcome its potential expansion across other genres of gaming.

(If any developers are reading this, I'd especially like an Age of Empires-style RTS game with campaigns based around the ancient battles of Dragon Age lore, ie, previous Blights, the fall of Arlathan and Andraste's Exalted March against the Tevinter Imperium )

[Chromie]

RPGamer13 wrote...

My two cents:

First, there's no media for Dragon Age III so that alone makes me write it off.

Second, though Chris Priestly's track record with his reply in this thread, usually means it's actually true, they just can't say anything about it.

Last, I see the potential in multiplayer for Mass Effect 3, but I'm just no sure how they could make it work for Dragon Age short of a MMO type thing like in Final Fantasy XI where you can influence who holds power in an area through competitive multiplayer games.

I do. Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter Nights had multiplayer. I'd prefer online multiplayer similar to NwN.s