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[TEWR]

Doubt this is legit.

If it is, then Bioware's not really good at keeping my faith in them at any sort of level that isn't near nonexistant.

I approve of multiplayer in terms of maybe co-op or if a DA MMO ever came to be (though let the record state I don't care if an MMO ever happens). But in a regular DA title?

No. That's just stupid. Multiplayer would cost more resources and leave them going "****..." and then we've got another recycled-into-oblivion game with another extremely sub-par story like DAII.

[MerinTB]

twincast wrote...

If it's true and it's a downloadable MP spin-off, I'll just roll my eyes and let them be. If it's true and it's part of DA3, my expectations for that game are down an abyss.

Same here.

[naledgeborn]

Too much bull**** in too little time. I give up. Dragon Age is damn near dead to me.

[shepskisaac]

Bronze65 wrote...

Did they not see the sales of Skyrim?

No one needs to go as far as to look at Skyrim sales. They can just look at DAO sales. This is what baffles me. Where the hell do EA exces get these ideas of multiplayer, streamlining etc? ME2 didn't sold much more than ME1 despite streamlining the mechanics. DA2 was a disaster. DAO remains BioWare's best selling game and Skyrim sells kazillion copies. I mean, are COD sales numbers the only thing they look at? Do they even realize military FPS and RPGs are not the same genre?

[Ebl55]

Whoa chill guys! Im actually exited about this! But we just have to believe thar bioware doesnt release a game like DA2 and make things better in DA3. And MP Can be a blast as long as bioware pulls it right! Just for once, have faith.

[Brockololly]

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Not the first time something like this has come up...nor the last time I suspect. I'll just wait and see how it turns out after actual announcements from BW.

Yup, it will be just like how "ME3 is a single player game" rubbish. Denial, denial, denial, political rubbish speak, more denials, then CONFIRM CAUSE THATS WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANTS!


Seriously, as a MP mode this sounds terrible. If DA was ever going to do MP, I would have thought a BG style co-op mode. But investing the amount of resources into creating all the DA assets into Frostbite 2 just for MP? They would absolutely be lying if they said doing DA multiplayer in an entirely new engine wasn't going to in some way affect the single player.

I just do not get it. You have great SINGLE PLAYER RPGs that have done great sales wise, like Skyrim, TW2, Deus Ex:HR, even look at something like single player Arkham City. Or hey, how about Origins, their best selling game to date!?

Yet BioWare/EA thinks the path to greater commercial success is copying games in totally different genres. I mean, who is a deathmatch arena mode MP supposed to appeal to? If true, its just more BioWare not understanding the audience they have and instead trying to make a game and appeal to an audience that does not give a **** about them at all.

I seriously wish BioWare would take a page from Bethesda in how they approach their franchises in letting them breath a little bit. I'd wager that Skyrim or Fallout have been as successful as they've been because they're not constantly shoveling out Elder Scrolls or Fallout games every year. They take their time and understand what their audience wants. And its from that understanding they meet and exceed expectations amongst their core fanbase, with that satisfaction radiating out to other more casual fans who hear how good their games are which brings them into the fold.

Modifié par Brockololly, 30 novembre 2011 - 03:52 .

[CroGamer002]

IsaacShep wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

Did they not see the sales of Skyrim?

No one needs to go as far as to look at Skyrim sales. They can just look at DAO sales. This is what baffles me. Where the hell do EA exces get these ideas of multiplayer, streamlining etc? ME2 didn't sold much more than ME1 despite streamlining the mechanics. DA2 was a disaster. DAO remains BioWare's best selling game and Skyrim sells kazillion copies. I mean, are COD sales numbers the only thing they look at? Do they even realize military FPS and RPGs are not the same genre?

First of all, EA is for Singleplayer.

Hence Battlefield 3 had Singleplayer even though previous 2 didn't.


And no, Dragon Age 2 is not a disaster, otherwise we wouldn't have those 2 big DLC's and that live action series!


And no, Mass Effect nor Dragon Age aren't nor ever were answer to Call of Duty! It's Battlefield 3!



As for streamlining in ME2?
More like fixing and removing ME1 garbage gameplay features.

If you can't do it right, don't do it at all.

[CroGamer002]

Brockololly wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Not the first time something like this has come up...nor the last time I suspect. I'll just wait and see how it turns out after actual announcements from BW.

Yup, it will be just like how "ME3 is a single player game" rubbish. Denial, denial, denial, political rubbish speak, more denials, then CONFIRM CAUSE THATS WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANTS!

Why would they confirm multiplayer before they even officially announce an actual game?!

[happy_daiz]

Maybe they could just put out LAIR 2, and call it a day.

It was actually kind of fun controlling a dragon with a sixaxis controller...until you had to turn the dragon around. "Flip, stupid dragon, flip! Come on, just turn around! Arrgh!"

[Riknas]

I never really liked Kotaku, and I seriously doubt this is legit when someone says that we can play as dragons. Everyone that's freaking out about this needs to chill before we jump to conclusions.

[Dominus]

Why would they confirm multiplayer before they even officially announce an actual game?!

Indeed. If BioWare hasn't confirmed anything, all we have is a rumor that twists fans left and right. Until a developer announces something even hinting of that, there's no point in speculation. The legitimacy of this is highly in doubt.

[Erode_The_Soul]

It's just a rumor at this point, so I won't panic yet. But I just want to add my voice to the "Oh God, no! What are you doing?! This is a terrible idea!" chorus. Please. PLEASE just focus on making DA3 a fantastic single player game.

[C9316]

At this point I don't care what happens to Dragon Age...

[alex90c]

I would have probably mocked doomsayers in the past, but I think I can see Bioware just sinking like a brick within perhaps the next five years. If they do something stupid with the ME franchise after ME3 then people are going to be pissed about that, and DA2 sucked bollocks and now there are rumours of DA3 multiplayer where you GET TO BE A DURRRGON!

seriously, what the actual [flan] is going on with Dragon Age? 2009, release a masterpiece. Yup, fans loved it. Sure, there were a few problems but they could be ironed out. Rather than going the way Epic Games did with Gears and simply keeping the next game pretty much identical but w/improved graphics, gameplay and features they overhaul the entire aesthetics and combat mechanics of the series, turn it in to a button basher and simplify the game.

ME1 to ME2 was progression. Sure the story of ME2 was a bit lacking, but the gameplay is leagues better than ME1's. DA:O to DA2 was just ... well it sucked.

And while this whole MP thing is just a rumour, if Bioware start pulling out the whole "we're creating the best singleplayer experience we can" thing again then that means it's definitely going to be in if they refuse to actually outright deny it.

[No really, please don't swear.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 30 novembre 2011 - 05:28 .

[Bronze65]

Baldur's Gate 2 "multiplayer", if you can call it that, doesn't take away from the experience. Theres nothing special added to use it. Neverwinter Nights is being developed as a pseudo MMO.

[shepskisaac]

Mesina2 wrote...

First of all, EA is for Singleplayer.

Hence Battlefield 3 had Singleplayer even though previous 2 didn't.

And no, Dragon Age 2 is not a disaster, otherwise we wouldn't have those 2 big DLC's and that live action series!

And no, Mass Effect nor Dragon Age aren't nor ever were answer to Call of Duty! It's Battlefield 3!

There are some people who complain about Skyrim being more actiony/mainstream than Morrowind and Witcher 2 being more actiony/mainstream than Witcher 1. That's just hardcore purism and most people ain't delusional RPGs don't need to change at all to sustain sales. But legitimate arguments about streamlining RPG games too much ARE valid. ME2 was still an amazing game, but it went too far in streamlining. They're backtracking heavily in ME3, bringing back mods, XP system, greater armor customization, more branching skill trees, greater interaction etc. Dragon Age 2 also streamlined too much but at the top of that had way too short dev cycle to make it still a great game (even if no longer an amazing RPG). It was a disaster for BioWare. It damaged their reputation significantly. Sales plummeted quickly. Sure, the game made some money for EA, thanks to hype built on DAO. But the damage was done nonetheless. Remember that little movie called Batman & Robin? It made money, thank to success of previous Batman movies. But it ruined Batman's image for years and took 8 years till the audience gave Batman another chance with Batman Begins.

And nobody's talking about any BioWare game being an answer to COD. We're talking COD crowd, FPS fans the industry execs have huge boners for and want to lure in.

Mesina2 wrote...

As for streamlining in ME2?
More like fixing and removing ME1 garbage gameplay features.

If you can't do it right, don't do it at all.

Or simply fix it. That's what Ubisoft did in AssCreed 2. They fixed what didn't work in AC1, they didn't remove it. BioWare also applied that solution to certain aspects of ME franchise. They didn't remove side quests (UNC/N7 missions). They made them more varied and not take place in identical bunkers as in ME1. That's what they should've done with other aspects. There were some good changes in ME2, but there were also some bad ones that went too far.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 30 novembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Ramus Quaritch]

They couldn't even get the singleplayer campaign for DA2 right, and they're going to add multiplayer to Dragon Age? And don't tell me that adding multiplayer does not compromise the single player. You have to pay people to make the multiplayer. You have to put money into doing it, and that's money that's not being put into the singleplayer. And as we saw last time, the singleplayer for Dragon Age 2 (it's only mode) was rushed and full of bugs (and a disappointing story). Fix the campaign first. Don't just rush to add multiplayer.

(Note: I'm considering this true after everything that happened with ME3's multiplayer, and if it's not true then I'm letting them know I don't like it).

[xkg]

Bronze65 wrote...

Baldur's Gate 2 "multiplayer", if you can call it that, doesn't take away from the experience. Theres nothing special added to use it. Neverwinter Nights is being developed as a pseudo MMO.

Dude you are talking about Neverwinter MMO game not Neverwinter Nights.
http://www.playneverwinter.com/

And bioware has nothing to do with this game.

Modifié par xkg, 30 novembre 2011 - 04:21 .

[Bronze65]

I'm aware Bioware has nothing to do with it. I'm talking quality single player RPG experiences that are being torched by added multiplayer.

[Complistic]

Is anyone stupid enough to buy a DA3 after DA2?

[Killjoy Cutter]

syllogi wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

What's the best way to win back fans who were disappointed with DA2? Horde mode, of course!

This logic is brilliant and cannot fail.

I never want to hear a Bioware dev talk about limited resources again, however.  If they could create this, and not release an updated toolset, it is simply because they do not care about the audience that would create and use mods, and they do care about courting the CoD crowd.

I'm sure this new direction will work *fabulously* for Bioware.  

The Call of Doody / HALO crowd is probably what most future games are going to be targeted towards, unfortunately. 

We'll probably never see another toolset for any of Bioware's games, as I'm sure the EA stiffs view it as "wasted" resources and a threat to their control over content.

[Johnsen1972]

That could be true because they need a reason why they force people to install Origin. Multiplayer is a a reason

[jlb524]

I'd only be surprised if they didn't do multiplayer at some point.

They want social gaming!

[csfteeeer]

alex90c wrote...


seriously, what the actual f*ck is going on with Dragon Age? 2009, release a masterpiece. Yup, fans loved it. Sure, there were a few problems but they could be ironed out. Rather than going the way Epic Games did with Gears and simply keeping the next game pretty much identical but w/improved graphics, gameplay and features they overhaul the entire aesthetics and combat mechanics of the series, turn it in to a button basher and simplify the game.

This is the biggest problem with BioWare imo.

They change sequels so much they might as well call them spin offs.

What. The ****. Is the Point. of Making sequels so different?
Haven't they seen the Skyrim Numbers?

Skyrim is Oblivion, but Massively TWEAKED, not altered or changed, TWEAKED, and what did that got to Bethesda?
3.4 millions units sold in a Matter of Days( and a 96 on Metacritic, but ME2 also got that so it's not a very good point)

and sure, DA is not TES.
DA is a hole new series, TES is an old, long running one, so obviously TES has more fans, but any series can reach those highs(with enough time, it wasn't until Morrowind, the third TES, until the series reached the popularity it has)

Modifié par csfteeeer, 30 novembre 2011 - 04:34 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Complistic wrote...

Is anyone stupid enough to buy a DA3 after DA2?

No. 

Certainly not on pre-order. 

Certainly not until there are plenty of real, non-shill reviews, and multiple patches released. 

DA2 was a hard lesson in never over-anticipating any Bioware product again.