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[Abraham_uk]

Luc0s wrote...

I agree that dual-wielding would fit Thane.

But Shepard dual-wielding?




Shep is a soldier. Soldiers don't dual-wield for way too many reasons. So Shep with dual-handgun would be stupid, unrealistic and it would look ridiculous. But I'm fine with the idea that Thane could dual-wield. Maybe Miranda too (if we ever see her again).

How come Thane and Miranda can duel-wield but Shepard can't?

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 01 décembre 2011 - 09:54 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Honestly, the only character in the MEverse who should even try dual-wielding is Conrad Verner.

[Abraham_uk]

Wow this is a popular thread. Anyway, plain and simple. It is not impossible to dual wield effectively. Just bloody difficult. Recoil issues, stability issues, aiming issues, arms aching, strain and the simple fact that hitting one target is nearly impossible. Try hitting two simultaneously with finess.

Find me one real life example of this please.

Also horray for Conrad Verner.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 01 décembre 2011 - 09:59 .

[Zkyire]

Luc0s wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

How come Thane and Miranda can duel-wield but Shepard can't?

Simple:

Because Thane and Miranda are mercenaries. They haven't had militairy training.

Shepar did have militairy training, so (s)he should know better than to dual-wield. Dual-wielding is highly ineffective if you know how to handle weapons and combast situations properly. A militairy soldier knows this. A militairy soldier is more likely to approach combat according to the militairy procedure. Use cover, use both arms and hands to stabilize your aim and try to flank your opponents. Militairy soldiers don't run in guns-blazing while dual-wielding 2 handguns. That's more something for mercenaries, such as Thane or Miranda.

Neither do PMCs. =P

[Savber100]

Luc0s wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

How come Thane and Miranda can duel-wield but Shepard can't?

Simple:

Because Thane and Miranda are mercenaries. They haven't had militairy training.

Shepar did have militairy training, so (s)he should know better than to dual-wield. Dual-wielding is highly ineffective if you know how to handle weapons and combast situations properly. A militairy soldier knows this. A militairy soldier is more likely to approach combat according to the militairy procedure. Use cover, use both arms and hands to stabilize your aim and try to flank your opponents. Militairy soldiers don't run in guns-blazing while dual-wielding 2 handguns. That's more something for mercenaries, such as Thane or Miranda.

Still... you would imply that it's possible for dual-wielding to work in ME if you let experienced assassin's or a top Cerberus officier to go dual-wielding while under Shepard's command. I would prefer ME to be consistent in this. Either have this feature or don't because keeping it only for squadmates would draw complaints that Shepard should also have the option etc. 
 In the end, if it's so ineffective why would Shepard allow his (assumed) squadmates to use them? It's just not consistent to what you have already stated. 

Modifié par Savber100, 01 décembre 2011 - 10:18 .

[Heather Cline]

KenKenpachi wrote...

If your going to dual wield do like this Japanese Yakuza Assassin in a blue suit I seen in this film some years back, just get one guy with alot of clips to fallow you, and shoot just one pistol, then when its empty, you take that hand and reach it behind you while you bring up the other one and start firing, the dude behind you then grabs the empty one, reloads it, and puts it back in your hand just as the now empty 2nd pistol goes back to him, and you raise up the now reloaded pistol. He kept up a pretty stable barrage of nearly endless gunfire.

Thats actully the first pratical dual wielding of handguns I ever seen.

Also Heater, Mythbusters and any gun myths they test I automatically ignore given they are in the "great" state of California. Harsh gunlaws, lack of real fire arms experts in the state, and lack of other legally avilable ammo, make most myths they test dead in the water in that reguard. Hell you'ld do better sending a letter to R Lee Ermmy on Mail Call.

That's where you're wrong Ken, in fact on Mythbusters they've had various guns, various types of ammo, and they've even done a myth based on rocket propelled grenades. Therefore your so called 'lack of legally available ammo' is bull. They have police, bomb experts, gun experts and so on on the show all the time when they do things like explosions and gun myth's. Which also debunks your 'lack of real firearm experts' too. Therefore what you say is really not correct at all about Mythbusters.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 01 décembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[jamesp81]

suprhomre wrote...

 Ok! one of the thing I always imagine Thane is that he's a baddass asssassin with a rifle and dual wielding handguns. I don't really understand why it's not in the game. A lot of other games have this system. It will also make Biotic classes and Tech classes so much more. 

What do you think? Adept/Engineer with duel handguns baddass or no way highway.

Oh for God's sakes. Dual wielding pistols is stupid Hollywood garbage that in reality doesn't work at all and is also a great way to shoot yourself in the hand/wrist

[jamesp81]

Heather Cline wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

If your going to dual wield do like this Japanese Yakuza Assassin in a blue suit I seen in this film some years back, just get one guy with alot of clips to fallow you, and shoot just one pistol, then when its empty, you take that hand and reach it behind you while you bring up the other one and start firing, the dude behind you then grabs the empty one, reloads it, and puts it back in your hand just as the now empty 2nd pistol goes back to him, and you raise up the now reloaded pistol. He kept up a pretty stable barrage of nearly endless gunfire.

Thats actully the first pratical dual wielding of handguns I ever seen.

Also Heater, Mythbusters and any gun myths they test I automatically ignore given they are in the "great" state of California. Harsh gunlaws, lack of real fire arms experts in the state, and lack of other legally avilable ammo, make most myths they test dead in the water in that reguard. Hell you'ld do better sending a letter to R Lee Ermmy on Mail Call.

That's where you're wrong Ken, in fact on Mythbusters they've had various guns, various types of ammo, and they've even done a myth based on rocket propelled grenades. Therefore your so called 'lack of legally available ammo' is bull. They have police, bomb experts, gun experts and so on on the show all the time when they do things like explosions and gun myth's. Which also debunks your 'lack of real firearm experts' too. Therefore what you say is really not correct at all about Mythbusters.

I'm sorry, but he's completely right about mythbusters.  I've seen them "confirm" things that I know for a damned fact isn't true.  Mythbusters is a considerably less reliable source on firearms and related technology than wikipedia.

[Abraham_uk]

jamesp81 wrote...

Heather Cline wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

If your going to dual wield do like this Japanese Yakuza Assassin in a blue suit I seen in this film some years back, just get one guy with alot of clips to fallow you, and shoot just one pistol, then when its empty, you take that hand and reach it behind you while you bring up the other one and start firing, the dude behind you then grabs the empty one, reloads it, and puts it back in your hand just as the now empty 2nd pistol goes back to him, and you raise up the now reloaded pistol. He kept up a pretty stable barrage of nearly endless gunfire.

Thats actully the first pratical dual wielding of handguns I ever seen.

Also Heater, Mythbusters and any gun myths they test I automatically ignore given they are in the "great" state of California. Harsh gunlaws, lack of real fire arms experts in the state, and lack of other legally avilable ammo, make most myths they test dead in the water in that reguard. Hell you'ld do better sending a letter to R Lee Ermmy on Mail Call.

That's where you're wrong Ken, in fact on Mythbusters they've had various guns, various types of ammo, and they've even done a myth based on rocket propelled grenades. Therefore your so called 'lack of legally available ammo' is bull. They have police, bomb experts, gun experts and so on on the show all the time when they do things like explosions and gun myth's. Which also debunks your 'lack of real firearm experts' too. Therefore what you say is really not correct at all about Mythbusters.

I'm sorry, but he's completely right about mythbusters.  I've seen them "confirm" things that I know for a damned fact isn't true.  Mythbusters is a considerably less reliable source on firearms and related technology than wikipedia.

Can you give me real life examples of dual wielding being used in actual combat (and not youtube videos of people messing around)?

[RPGamer13]

Oh my ****ing god, It's a ****ing game. Plenty games has dual wielding, even the "realistic shooter" Modern Warfare 3.

I'd love to see dual handguns and SMGs in Mass Effect. That'd be awesome.

Since when is a giant ****ing nuker that doesn't kill its user realistic?  Since when are laser guns realistic?  Since when is alien races realistic?

This is ****ing sci-fi we're talking about.  Yes, some of it is based on real science, but it's still fake and not REALISTIC.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 01 décembre 2011 - 10:45 .

[jamesp81]

Abraham_uk wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Heather Cline wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

If your going to dual wield do like this Japanese Yakuza Assassin in a blue suit I seen in this film some years back, just get one guy with alot of clips to fallow you, and shoot just one pistol, then when its empty, you take that hand and reach it behind you while you bring up the other one and start firing, the dude behind you then grabs the empty one, reloads it, and puts it back in your hand just as the now empty 2nd pistol goes back to him, and you raise up the now reloaded pistol. He kept up a pretty stable barrage of nearly endless gunfire.

Thats actully the first pratical dual wielding of handguns I ever seen.

Also Heater, Mythbusters and any gun myths they test I automatically ignore given they are in the "great" state of California. Harsh gunlaws, lack of real fire arms experts in the state, and lack of other legally avilable ammo, make most myths they test dead in the water in that reguard. Hell you'ld do better sending a letter to R Lee Ermmy on Mail Call.

That's where you're wrong Ken, in fact on Mythbusters they've had various guns, various types of ammo, and they've even done a myth based on rocket propelled grenades. Therefore your so called 'lack of legally available ammo' is bull. They have police, bomb experts, gun experts and so on on the show all the time when they do things like explosions and gun myth's. Which also debunks your 'lack of real firearm experts' too. Therefore what you say is really not correct at all about Mythbusters.

I'm sorry, but he's completely right about mythbusters.  I've seen them "confirm" things that I know for a damned fact isn't true.  Mythbusters is a considerably less reliable source on firearms and related technology than wikipedia.

Can you give me real life examples of dual wielding being used in actual combat (and not youtube videos of people messing around)?

No, I can't, and that's the point.  Dual wielding is not used in actual combat because it doesn't work and is unsafe.

Perhaps you misunderstood my post?

[CBKeffer]

Luc0s wrote...

RPGamer13 wrote...

Oh my ****ing god, It's a ****ing game. Plenty games has dual wielding, even the "realistic shooter" Modern Warfare 3.

lolololololol, Modern Modded Warfare 2 3 realistic? LMAO.

Pretty much, for a realistic shooter, try the Arma series.

[terrydertote]

Luc0s wrote...

RPGamer13 wrote...

Oh my ****ing god, It's a ****ing game. Plenty games has dual wielding, even the "realistic shooter" Modern Warfare 3.

lolololololol, Modern Modded Warfare 2 3 realistic? LMAO.

Do the words "Fanboy-Sh*tstorm" mean anything to you?

[terrydertote]

Luc0s wrote...

terrydertote wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

RPGamer13 wrote...

Oh my ****ing god, It's a ****ing game. Plenty games has dual wielding, even the "realistic shooter" Modern Warfare 3.

lolololololol, Modern Modded Warfare 2 3 realistic? LMAO.

Do the words "Fanboy-Sh*tstorm" mean anything to you?

Yes. Why?

Oh, nothing. I will just sit here and watch. 

[Sgt Stryker]

RPGamer13 wrote...

Oh my ****ing god, It's a ****ing game. Plenty games has dual wielding, even the "realistic shooter" Modern Warfare 3.

I'd love to see dual handguns and SMGs in Mass Effect. That'd be awesome.

Since when is a giant ****ing nuker that doesn't kill its user realistic?  Since when are laser guns realistic?  Since when is alien races realistic?

This is ****ing sci-fi we're talking about.  Yes, some of it is based on real science, but it's still fake and not REALISTIC.

Oh look it's this post again. For the >9000th time, the "it's just sci-fi" excuse doesn't fly. Just because there are aliens, and artificial intelligence, and faster-than-light travel, doesn't mean the mundane things don't stay the same. Wood still burns, people still come down when they jump (on a planetary body), and trying to shoot two guns at once will still result in horrendous accuracy, unless you're a Terminator. So horrendous that no military in their right mind would allow their soldiers to pull such a stunt.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 01 décembre 2011 - 11:04 .

[CBKeffer]

Luc0s wrote...

CBKeffer wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

RPGamer13 wrote...

Oh my ****ing god, It's a ****ing game. Plenty games has dual wielding, even the "realistic shooter" Modern Warfare 3.

lolololololol, Modern Modded Warfare 2 3 realistic? LMAO.

Pretty much, for a realistic shooter, try the Arma series.

LMAO! 

And what it the world does Arma have to do with Modern Warfare 2 3?

Absolutely nothing, I was agreeing that MW3 is anything but realistic, and put forth an example of a game that actually has some realism to it.