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[CBKeffer]

Someone With Mass wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Mythbusters. Season 11. Episode 7.

THE most effective way to shoot a pistol is to have ONE handgun, held in the Weaver stance. You know, like Shepard has done in ME 1 and ME 2. That shouldn't change for ME 3.

Using two pistols at the same time is only marginally more accurate than shooting from the hip. Shooting from the hip gives an average of one hit every eight shots at fifteen feet instead of eight hits every eight shot at fifteen feet.

Yup.

You have iron sights on those guns for a reason.

This 1000x not sure how many of you on here have actually spent any time shooting, but when shooting, the more points of contact you have with the gun, the more accurate and consistant you can be with it. If this was made to be a skill, it should come with a huge decrease in accuracy and really only be effective as a suppression technique (ie. you are being over run, so you pick up an extra pistol or smg and unload in the advancin enemy's dirrection in an effort to make them take cover and slow them down immediately discarding the weapon when it runs dry).

[Someone With Mass]

In most John Woo movies, they'll only reload when the plot demands it. They have nothing to lose on dual-wielding.

[suprhomre]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

suprhomre wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

suprhomre wrote...

OK, so far most of the nay sayers argument is that it isn't realistic, the aiming is poor, and so on.

My argument is the aiming is not poor because it's Shepard we are talking about, remember the man/woman who saved the galaxy twice. Beside it can't be worser then the Hammerhead's aiming or Biotic's in general

Unrealistic really? But, Biotic is realistic?

This is Mass Effect it's fiction. Its made to be believable but not realistic. I for one think when shepard does dual wield he loses the ability to zoom for using both triggers (talking about PS3 and Xbox controllers.)

not a consoler bro, pc myself, so I can't really get into your shoes.

Well what ever you pc gamers use to zoom that turns into a trigger so their. If that helps

Take it easy bro! I wasn't trying to trigger your sensitive side. I'm trying to say I might have forgotten that consoler might experience the game a differant way then we pc. Let's leave it there ok. Because, soon we will have pc vs console argument again. 

[Saber Wolf]

No dual wielding. Period.

[bleetman]

Sure. And whilst we're at it, let's ditch thermal clips and have a system whereby each gun only fires for a few seconds at a time before Shepard casually throws it to one side. Reloading just saps precious seconds away from being a badass.

[Total Biscuit]

For those ranting about accuracy, I take it you're forgetting that the guns in ME do actually automatically aim themselves to boost the chance of hitting anything you point them in the rough direction of?

These aren't just current day lumps of metal and plastic that simple spit a projectile in a straight(ish) line, they're complex advanced bits of tech in their own right, especially the cutting edge stuff Shepard uses. They'll basically do the hard work of aiming properly for you, which means ME is actually one of the few universes where dual wielding would work.

Saying that, I don't care. I'd far rather Bioware just worked out a new draw animation so the SMG and pistol are on both hips.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 30 novembre 2011 - 08:55 .

[CBKeffer]

Random Nobody wrote...

Biotics work under a system rigidly defined by the game's lore. Guns, besides using mass affected rounds, work in much the same fashion present-day firearms do - the Weaver Stance yields maximum efficiency and accuracy.

Just because Shepard could justifiably change her/his name to "Commander Badass" does not mean the above becomes untrue.

Modified isoceles combat stance is also a commonly used and highly acurate stance that is taught in most tactical pistol classes, but this is not really the place for a weaver/isoceles stance debate. The fact of the matter is you will never see a LEO or soldier use dual wielding in a combat situations, outside, maybe, the situation I posted earlier (and even then, hitting the select fire switch on the AR to full auto and spraying the general area of the advancing enemy would be more effective since you would only have to switch back to burst or semi auto and take out the enemy with short, well placed bursts as they emerge from the cover they took to avoid the previous hail of bullets you just thew at them).

[AlexXIV]

I wouldn't mind dual wield as long as it is not noticably better than single gun. I especially think that as people said aiming is more difficult with 2 guns at the same time. Though I don't really think it's something ME needs. Or ever needed.

[Sgt Stryker]

Total Biscuit wrote...

For those ranting about accuracy, I take it you're forgetting that the guns in ME do actually automatically aim themselves to boost the chance of hitting anything you point them in the rough direction of?

These aren't just current day lumps of metal and plastic that simple spit a projectile in a straight(ish) line, they're complex advanced bits of tech in their own right, especially the cutting edge stuff Shepard uses. They'll basically do the hard work of aiming properly for you, which means ME is actually one of the few universes where dual wielding would work.

Saying that, I don't care. I'd far rather Bioware just worked out a new draw animation so the SMG and pistol are on both hips.

Well, if you want to get technical, the "smart targeting"  don't actually aim your weapon for you. It just corrects for local weather and environmental conditions, and makes aiming easier. You wouldn't have to compensate for windage or elevation, for instance, because the computer already does that. Pretty sure you still need to aim down the sight, though. Hard to do that with 2 pistols at once.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 30 novembre 2011 - 09:09 .

[Sebbe1337o]

Dual wielding would be cool, at least if some squad mates could have it, or at least one. I'm fine with Shepard only having one. Also: IRL it's more effective to just have one due to aiming difficulties with two.

[CBKeffer]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...

For those ranting about accuracy, I take it you're forgetting that the guns in ME do actually automatically aim themselves to boost the chance of hitting anything you point them in the rough direction of?

These aren't just current day lumps of metal and plastic that simple spit a projectile in a straight(ish) line, they're complex advanced bits of tech in their own right, especially the cutting edge stuff Shepard uses. They'll basically do the hard work of aiming properly for you, which means ME is actually one of the few universes where dual wielding would work.

Saying that, I don't care. I'd far rather Bioware just worked out a new draw animation so the SMG and pistol are on both hips.

Well, if you want to get technical, the "smart targeting"  don't actually aim your weapon for you. It just corrects for local weather and environmental conditions, and makes aiming easier. You wouldn't have to compensate for windage or elevation, for instance, because the computer already does that. Pretty sure you still need to aim down the sight, though. Hard to do that with 2 pistols at once.

Exactly what I was going to say, it'll compensate for the small movements your body makes to allow you to get a tighter grouping, but it doesn't aim the gun for you or anything.

[Colintastic]

Random Nobody wrote...

Hilariously, Shepard and co. occasionally shoot from the hip.

But dual-wielding pistols? Nah.

The scene that comes to mind for shooting from the hip is in ME2 when you shoot the Krogan guards (who are huge targets) flanking the Volus pretending to be Fade. At that point Shep shoots from the hip, and at least one of the Krogan goes down clutching his knee. Real accurate huh? 

Aside from that, Shep is a marine. This has been made clear over and over again. I challenege anyone to find an image or anecdotal story involving any trained military personal effectivly putting rounds on a target using more than one weapon system at any given moment. It doesn't even have to be a duel weild situation, I'd wager you can't find ANYTHING. The only thing I can contemplate is maybe an attack chopper which fires rockets and a machine gun at the same time, but even then I think in those circumstances there are always 2 personel using the weapons, each seperately. In most if not all cases, military vehicles require the operator to alternate between weapons. Maybe someone could find a story involving someone using a jeep to run someone over while at the same time they shot someone else eitha pistol.  Aside from that being a HUGE stretch of the original challenge, fat chance you even find that. You WILL NOT  and CAN NOT find anything. It just doesn't happen. 

Some guy earlier suggested 2 weapons was an effective supression tactic. This is possibly the only use for DW -ever. Even with that usage, you won't put bullets on target, you spray them just to get people to take cover. Then you run... For the idiots who use the "shep is so badass he can do anything" argument, I submit to you that Shep never runs, only pushes forward and kills; thus, he has no need to ever use supression tactic. Am I speaking your language now?

Take away: DW is a dumb idea. 
Ad hominem: Supporters of this are dumb children who probably like the WWF(or whatever fake wrestling is called these days) way too much. 

[ifander]

Even if dual-wielding pistols were possible in the future (i.e. you'd actually hit something), why would you even bother when you can use a two-handed weapon instead? It's idiotic.

[CBKeffer]

Colintastic wrote...

Random Nobody wrote...

Hilariously, Shepard and co. occasionally shoot from the hip.

But dual-wielding pistols? Nah.

The scene that comes to mind for shooting from the hip is in ME2 when you shoot the Krogan guards (who are huge targets) flanking the Volus pretending to be Fade. At that point Shep shoots from the hip, and at least one of the Krogan goes down clutching his knee. Real accurate huh? 

Aside from that, Shep is a marine. This has been made clear over and over again. I challenege anyone to find an image or anecdotal story involving any trained military personal effectivly putting rounds on a target using more than one weapon system at any given moment. It doesn't even have to be a duel weild situation, I'd wager you can't find ANYTHING. The only thing I can contemplate is maybe an attack chopper which fires rockets and a machine gun at the same time, but even then I think in those circumstances there are always 2 personel using the weapons, each seperately. In most if not all cases, military vehicles require the operator to alternate between weapons. Maybe someone could find a story involving someone using a jeep to run someone over while at the same time they shot someone else eitha pistol.  Aside from that being a HUGE stretch of the original challenge, fat chance you even find that. You WILL NOT  and CAN NOT find anything. It just doesn't happen. 

Some guy earlier suggested 2 weapons was an effective supression tactic. This is possibly the only use for DW -ever. Even with that usage, you won't put bullets on target, you spray them just to get people to take cover. Then you run... For the idiots who use the "shep is so badass he can do anything" argument, I submit to you that Shep never runs, only pushes forward and kills; thus, he has no need to ever use supression tactic. Am I speaking your language now?

Take away: DW is a dumb idea. 
Ad hominem: Supporters of this are dumb children who probably like the WWF(or whatever fake wrestling is called these days) way too much. 

That was me, and I never said it would be effecive to put rounds on target, just effective in forcing them into cover, anvy thing you took out would be simply dure to the law of averages, nor do I support dual weilding. TBH, it makes me cringe when I see it since it goes against everything I've been taught about shooting. Also, I prefer a tactical advance in the oposite direction to "running away".....sounds better that way

[Darthnemesis2]

Colintastic wrote...

Random Nobody wrote...

Hilariously, Shepard and co. occasionally shoot from the hip.

But dual-wielding pistols? Nah.

The scene that comes to mind for shooting from the hip is in ME2 when you shoot the Krogan guards (who are huge targets) flanking the Volus pretending to be Fade. At that point Shep shoots from the hip, and at least one of the Krogan goes down clutching his knee. Real accurate huh? 

Aside from that, Shep is a marine. This has been made clear over and over again. I challenege anyone to find an image or anecdotal story involving any trained military personal effectivly putting rounds on a target using more than one weapon system at any given moment. It doesn't even have to be a duel weild situation, I'd wager you can't find ANYTHING. The only thing I can contemplate is maybe an attack chopper which fires rockets and a machine gun at the same time, but even then I think in those circumstances there are always 2 personel using the weapons, each seperately. In most if not all cases, military vehicles require the operator to alternate between weapons. Maybe someone could find a story involving someone using a jeep to run someone over while at the same time they shot someone else eitha pistol.  Aside from that being a HUGE stretch of the original challenge, fat chance you even find that. You WILL NOT  and CAN NOT find anything. It just doesn't happen. 

Some guy earlier suggested 2 weapons was an effective supression tactic. This is possibly the only use for DW -ever. Even with that usage, you won't put bullets on target, you spray them just to get people to take cover. Then you run... For the idiots who use the "shep is so badass he can do anything" argument, I submit to you that Shep never runs, only pushes forward and kills; thus, he has no need to ever use supression tactic. Am I speaking your language now?

Take away: DW is a dumb idea. 
Ad hominem: Supporters of this are dumb children who probably like the WWF(or whatever fake wrestling is called these days) way too much. 

An episode of Top Sniper, and Navy SEAL uses two pistols and dominates the course. I tried to YouTube it but couldn't find anything. 

Still think it's unlikely and gimmicky, but don't go spouting off like you know everything next time. kthxbai.

[Battlepope190]

Dual wielding is lame and requesting such a lame "feature" is a sign of little jimmy cancer.

HURR LIEK MAWDERN WAREFUR 2 DOES IT, LIEK THAT DEVLOPERS!

Modifié par Battlepope190, 30 novembre 2011 - 09:34 .

[Total Biscuit]

Actually several upgrades specifically state they alter the trjectory of shots to target weak spots, sniper headshot upgrade off the top of my head for example, and Lemms shotgun in Acsension has targeting mods that allow him to kill a Cerberus agent while being unable to aim properly. Correcting for wind and movement is just the most basic targeting assisting the guns do.

So while they don't remove all the skill from aiming, you certainly don't need to always use the sights to be able to hit a target. It'd still be inaccurate, but no where near as bad as people are making out, base on the performance of modern, comparatively incredibly primitive firearms.

[Archontor]

A few things could make it possible, alliance soldiers are stated to have optical targeting implants, presumably capable of being synced with their weapons' targeting systems, thus circumventing the need for iron sights. Second they don't reload ammo they reload heat sinks (and as many claim that's a bit odd) therefore an auto loadin belt and specially designed pistols mean that they could be reloaded with a forceful swipe over the hips and lastly between implants and powered armour plus variable velocity rounds ( as a powered gun should have) the recoil should be fine.

There we go, dual wielding now makes perfect sense can be done anytime you live in the future.

[111987]

You guys know what else is unrealistic?

THE WHOLE SERIES.

But to be on-topic; I don't think it's a feature that's really needed, and if you can only use it with a few guns, it's a waste of time to implement I feel.

[Harmless Citizen]

The scene that comes to mind for shooting from the hip is in ME2 when you shoot the Krogan guards (who are huge targets) flanking the Volus pretending to be Fade. At that point Shep shoots from the hip, and at least one of the Krogan goes down clutching his knee. Real accurate huh? 

No. Hence why that scene (and all those similar) came off as a tad silly.

[Someone With Mass]

Random Nobody wrote...

The scene that comes to mind for shooting from the hip is in ME2 when you shoot the Krogan guards (who are huge targets) flanking the Volus pretending to be Fade. At that point Shep shoots from the hip, and at least one of the Krogan goes down clutching his knee. Real accurate huh? 

No. Hence why that scene (and all those similar) came off as a tad silly.

Garrus isn't shooting from the hip.

Plus, that's cutscene power for you. Good luck taking down a krogan with three-four shots form a Shuriken when the gameplay is on.