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[Magnum Opus]

Dual-wielding handguns? S'pose that's kewl an' all, but I REALLY my Shep to throw his handguns when the enemy closes the distance between them. Now THAT would be badass. Enemy's all "what the heck, dude? You threw your gun at me?", and in the meantime, Shep's drawn his knife and has stabbed the baddie in the face.

Even if it's not a part of the regular gameplay, I'd love to see this in an epic cutscene. The dramatic potential is ginormous.

But I suppose dual wielding them would be all right too.

[Colintastic]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

An episode of Top Sniper, and Navy SEAL uses two pistols and dominates the course. I tried to YouTube it but couldn't find anything. 

Still think it's unlikely and gimmicky, but don't go spouting off like you know everything next time. kthxbai.

I haven't watched that show, but I have watched an episode of Top Shot where in the trick shooting challenge they had to fire 2 guns simultaneously at 2 seperate targets and they were given as much time as they wanted to look down the sight of either gun. It often took 20-30 seconds. They STILL missed the majority of the time. Not effective. 

I also did a google search, and cannot find a single reference to that episode you are talking about. I'm not going to outright deny it's existance, but if it does exist it is unlikely that the SEAL "dominated" the course, or I think it would be a bit more talked about on forums and such. 

some guy who's name is numbers wrote...

This is a game, not reality.

At least the quote looked something like that...

Yes it's a game but it's one that strives for a sense of realism or posibility. It follows a certain distinction made by the guy who does movie reviews on red letter media between "science fiction" and "science fantasy." The distinction being that Star Trek is science fiction because there is an incredible effort expended explaining how everything works and fits together. Somewhat suggesting that this is the future of our world, where all the rules you know apply, except these new things they've added and explained clearly. You can literally find immensely detailed descriptions on how a warp drive works.

The guy goes on to say the Star Wars is science fantasy, because rather than explain how things work, they move you to a BRAND NEW GALAXY, tell you little to nothing about the layouts of ships, mention nothing about inter relation between the races. It just sort of drops you into a cool place and expects you to figure out the rest. The whoel series is moved forward by a "fish out of water" character, Luke Skywalker, who doesn't know what's going on and he just sort of has to accept things as they come and the other characters swirl around him. Compartively, back to Star Trek, there is no such character, because all of the characters learn together.

Not to argue that there is anything wrong with either of these methods of telling a story, just that, once one is chosen, stick with it. 

In the case of Mass Effect, the method of story telling is most similar to that of Star Trek. This is shown through use of a character who has grown up in the world around him and knows essentially everything going on. All political situations are detailed in the codex so the player can acclimate themselves to the knowledge of someone who is in that world. Further the codex is written in a fashion such that if the reader can accept certain beliefs, everything else fits their understanding of the universe.

As a work of "Science Fiction" oposed to "Science Fantasy" it's important that some semblance of realism is maintained.  Thus, Mass Effect should not change anything where it doesn't have to. The fewer suspensions of disbelief the better. 


EDIT: If you are thinking to argue the "mass effect is closer to star trek" point by pointing out specfic plot elements, you've missed the point. I don't care that biotics are similar to the force. The point I'm making is that the manner in which the story is told is closer to Star Trek. 

Modifié par Colintastic, 30 novembre 2011 - 11:13 .

[Sora Shepherd]

Personally I don't see anything in the lore or the gameplay that would stand against dual wielding. It's not a new thing to the series. Yes theres the whole realism effectiveness of said tact but much can be said about other tacts in the ME Universe like this whole Omni weapon direction and one-handing a revenant accurately. However, with all the weapons already in the game, why would this need to be implemented? ME2's super dooper cool addition was Heavy weapons and ME3 gots the Omni blades, there just doesn't seem to be much room in this 4 month time gap for dual wielding to get an edge word in.

Nashiktal wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

If you get two pistols I demand two assault rifles.

Why not just raise it to two sniper rifles while we are at it.

Hey man I don't want to get unrealistic here.

Two Revenants. Are you man enough to tame these beasts? 

What's so unrealistic about that? I'm HUMAN enough to tame dem beasts.

Two Cains. More than enough to take on the Reapers.

[Han Shot First]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dual-wielding handguns... hmmm... trying to find a nice way of saying it's Hollywood crap... you can't actually hit much doing that.

This.

I hope they don't implement dual wielding anything. All you'd accomplish by wielding two pistols is making twice the noise. Otherwise, it would be a ridiculous waste of ammo not to mention horrendously inaccurate.

[Someone With Mass]

Han Shot First wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dual-wielding handguns... hmmm... trying to find a nice way of saying it's Hollywood crap... you can't actually hit much doing that.

This.

I hope they don't implement dual wielding anything. All you'd accomplish by wielding two pistols is making twice the noise. Otherwise, it would be a ridiculous waste of ammo not to mention horrendously inaccurate.

Unless you have laser sights, that is.

[Nashiktal]

Sora Shepherd wrote...

Personally I don't see anything in the lore or the gameplay that would stand against dual wielding. It's not a new thing to the series. Yes theres the whole realism effectiveness of said tact but much can be said about other tacts in the ME Universe like this whole Omni weapon direction and one-handing a revenant accurately. However, with all the weapons already in the game, why would this need to be implemented? ME2's super dooper cool addition was Heavy weapons and ME3 gots the Omni blades, there just doesn't seem to be much room in this 4 month time gap for dual wielding to get an edge word in.

Nashiktal wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

If you get two pistols I demand two assault rifles.

Why not just raise it to two sniper rifles while we are at it.

Hey man I don't want to get unrealistic here.

Two Revenants. Are you man enough to tame these beasts? 

What's so unrealistic about that? I'm HUMAN enough to tame dem beasts.

Two Cains. More than enough to take on the Reapers.

Yeah but you would have like, 20 shots max before zaeed takes the gun away from you for not fondling it properly.

[Colintastic]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dual-wielding handguns... hmmm... trying to find a nice way of saying it's Hollywood crap... you can't actually hit much doing that.

This.

I hope they don't implement dual wielding anything. All you'd accomplish by wielding two pistols is making twice the noise. Otherwise, it would be a ridiculous waste of ammo not to mention horrendously inaccurate.

Unless you have laser sights, that is.

At what range are you expecting to acurately see that you've put 2 red dots on a target wthout using a scope?  

[Someone With Mass]

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

Bethseda will hate you all if there is dual wielding.
They'll go find yo houses, den snatch yo kids up and den yo wife.
.....
And its also stupid. Dual wielding belongs in movies and Skyrim

And Borderlands 2.

[Someone With Mass]

Colintastic wrote...

At what range are you expecting to acurately see that you've put 2 red dots on a target wthout using a scope?  

About the same range I can see the Phalanx' laser dot.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I don't understand why it is that people like such ridiculous things in games these days. Dual wielding is stupid and unrealistic. If someone wants to dual wield they should go play something that allows them to do so but don't try to put it in every game that has ever existed. If people want these sort of ridiculous over the top action they should play games that are built for that such as MW3 and Saints Row 3.

[CrutchCricket]

Hmm... Has anyone pointed out the fact that Shepard can fire a sniper rifle that is explicitly said to shatter the arms of other humans? Really I don't think realism or arm strength is an issue here. Dual wielding can be done by characters explicitly stated to have above human strength, reflexes and coordination. That means Shepard, Legion and maybe krogan warriors. Perhaps biotics could be helpful here as well.
Conclusion: Dual wielding- unnecessary? Yes. Plausible? Yes. Unrealistic? pfft.

[Jog0907]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hmm... Has anyone pointed out the fact that Shepard can fire a sniper rifle that is explicitly said to shatter the arms of other humans? Really I don't think realism or arm strength is an issue here. Dual wielding can be done by characters explicitly stated to have above human strength, reflexes and coordination. That means Shepard, Legion and maybe krogan warriors. Perhaps biotics could be helpful here as well.
Conclusion: Dual wielding- unnecessary? Yes. Plausible? Yes. Unrealistic? pfft.

Yeah but shep has lots of implants from project lazarus so his bones are much stronger than those of a regular human, thats why the widow is exclusive to him and legion.

[111987]

Colintastic wrote...

some guy who's name is numbers wrote...

This is a game, not reality.

At least the quote looked something like that...

Yes it's a game but it's one that strives for a sense of realism or posibility.

As others have pointed out though, with Shepard's enhanced strength it would certainly be possible for Shepard to duel wield though. However as I said, there's really not much point into implementing a dual-wield system if only one class of guns can use them. It made sense for a game like Halo where you had pistols, smg's, covenant weaponry, etc...that could all be dual wielded. In Mass Effect there's only the Predator and thr Shuriken that could be dual wielded. It's just not worth all the work.

[Someone With Mass]

Jog0907 wrote...

Yeah but shep has lots of implants from project lazarus so his bones are much stronger than those of a regular human, thats why the widow is exclusive to him and legion.

Well, and this guy:



I personally think it's just a different version of the Widow, though.

At least, that's my excuse.


And yes, I just did a GIF of that guy.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 01 décembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[Abraham_uk]

Simple reason why Shepard having two guns simultaneously equiped is daft. One hand occupied for biotics, the other occupied for guns and probably omnitool. Also that omniblade. How much multi-tasking do you want from Shepard? He/she is already doing three things at once if he/she is a sentinel. Having two sniper rifles on top of biotics and tech powers?

So Shepard misses his/her aim with all of the tech/biotic powers, and misses with the sniper, trips over (balance must be a bit wobbly if going comando with two sniper rifles) and gets hurled up in his/her own throw field and then accidently applies cryo blast on him/herself. Ooops. Shepard dies from multi-tasking.

Actually that isn't realistic, if Shepard is a woman, she'll have no problem handling the dual sniping, biotics and tech powers.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 01 décembre 2011 - 12:18 .

[111987]

Isn't that Shepard?

[Someone With Mass]

111987 wrote...

Isn't that Shepard?

Unless he was given standard issue Alliance armor despite the fact that he has his own N7 armor, nope.

[AdmiralCheez]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dual-wielding handguns... hmmm... trying to find a nice way of saying it's Hollywood crap... you can't actually hit much doing that.

Amen to that.  In fact, you usually need both hands to fire a handgun anyway--you use your non-dominant hand to keep it steady.

Well, if you're aiming at anything father away than five goddamn feet.

Yes I get very upset when people in video games hold guns wrong.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 01 décembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[DiebytheSword]

Jog0907 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hmm... Has anyone pointed out the fact that Shepard can fire a sniper rifle that is explicitly said to shatter the arms of other humans? Really I don't think realism or arm strength is an issue here. Dual wielding can be done by characters explicitly stated to have above human strength, reflexes and coordination. That means Shepard, Legion and maybe krogan warriors. Perhaps biotics could be helpful here as well.
Conclusion: Dual wielding- unnecessary? Yes. Plausible? Yes. Unrealistic? pfft.

Yeah but shep has lots of implants from project lazarus so his bones are much stronger than those of a regular human, thats why the widow is exclusive to him and legion.

@CrutchCricket - well said.

@Jog0907 - more than just that, Shepard has had gene therapy as part of the Alliance Marines and N7 as well, and likely more than just the basic package if you come from the spacer background.  This makes Shep an incredible specimen to start with without cybernetic implants and upgrades throughout ME2.

[Han Shot First]

Shepard's increased strength would not in any way make for greater accuracy. You don't muscle shots onto a target. In fact trying to muscle a shot is a good way to miss what you are aiming at.

Even if Shepard's Lazarus reconstruction gives him superhuman hand-eye coordination, it would be physically impossible for him to engage multiple targets simultaneously with any degree of accuracy. He's still only got two forward facing eyes that function just like any other human's.

Engaging a single target with dual wielded weapons is equally pointless when one weapon can make a target just as dead, and without any drop off in accuracy.

[Welsh Inferno]

Someone With Mass wrote...

111987 wrote...

Isn't that Shepard?

Unless he was given standard issue Alliance armor despite the fact that he has his own N7 armor, nope.

Perhaps we unlock that armour? I don't see shep wearing the Cerberus Assault armor ever. Could be the replacement. Not like i wore that thing anyway.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 01 décembre 2011 - 12:27 .