No I don't think so. Mythbusters busted the myth that dual hand guns actually is a good way to shoot a gun and be highly accurate. In fact you are more likely to miss your target than hit your target.
Dual handgun wielding.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 01:44
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If your going to dual wield do like this Japanese Yakuza Assassin in a blue suit I seen in this film some years back, just get one guy with alot of clips to fallow you, and shoot just one pistol, then when its empty, you take that hand and reach it behind you while you bring up the other one and start firing, the dude behind you then grabs the empty one, reloads it, and puts it back in your hand just as the now empty 2nd pistol goes back to him, and you raise up the now reloaded pistol. He kept up a pretty stable barrage of nearly endless gunfire.
Thats actully the first pratical dual wielding of handguns I ever seen.
Also Heater, Mythbusters and any gun myths they test I automatically ignore given they are in the "great" state of California. Harsh gunlaws, lack of real fire arms experts in the state, and lack of other legally avilable ammo, make most myths they test dead in the water in that reguard. Hell you'ld do better sending a letter to R Lee Ermmy on Mail Call.
Thats actully the first pratical dual wielding of handguns I ever seen.
Also Heater, Mythbusters and any gun myths they test I automatically ignore given they are in the "great" state of California. Harsh gunlaws, lack of real fire arms experts in the state, and lack of other legally avilable ammo, make most myths they test dead in the water in that reguard. Hell you'ld do better sending a letter to R Lee Ermmy on Mail Call.
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#203
Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 01:45
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Ok, lets forget real life for a moment and look at the mass effect physics.
Guns have recoil? Check. Guns have to be carefully aimed at the target to hit it? Check. Guns have to be reloaded? Not really, the heat sinks have to be ejected from time to time though, and you need a free hand to manipulate the gun.
Even within the mass effect universe dual wield would be simply stupid.
Guns have recoil? Check. Guns have to be carefully aimed at the target to hit it? Check. Guns have to be reloaded? Not really, the heat sinks have to be ejected from time to time though, and you need a free hand to manipulate the gun.
Even within the mass effect universe dual wield would be simply stupid.
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#204
Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 01:49
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Abraham_uk wrote...
(Do fans actually mean it when they say they'll never play another Bioware game?)
Of course not. They're fans. They themselves would have to figure out what they mean.
And as interesting as real gunfight mechanics are I wonder why everyone's ignoring the big question mark of Shepard's augmentations or the glaring exclamation mark of robots and aliens doing what real humans cannot...
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 01:51
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CrutchCricket wrote...
Abraham_uk wrote...
(Do fans actually mean it when they say they'll never play another Bioware game?)
Of course not. They're fans. They'd have to figure out what they themselves mean first.
And as interesting as real gunfight mechanics are I wonder why everyone's ignoring the big question mark of Shepard's augmentations or the glaring exclamation mark of robots and aliens doing what real humans cannot...
Because they're aliens and robots. You can explain it away in lore. It's a bit harder to do with humans because we know what humans are capable of. Unless they're upgrades in some strange manner.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 01:54
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KenKenpachi wrote...
If your going to dual wield do like this Japanese Yakuza Assassin in a blue suit I seen in this film some years back, just get one guy with alot of clips to fallow you, and shoot just one pistol, then when its empty, you take that hand and reach it behind you while you bring up the other one and start firing, the dude behind you then grabs the empty one, reloads it, and puts it back in your hand just as the now empty 2nd pistol goes back to him, and you raise up the now reloaded pistol. He kept up a pretty stable barrage of nearly endless gunfire.
Thats actully the first pratical dual wielding of handguns I ever seen.
Also Heater, Mythbusters and any gun myths they test I automatically ignore given they are in the "great" state of California. Harsh gunlaws, lack of real fire arms experts in the state, and lack of other legally avilable ammo, make most myths they test dead in the water in that reguard. Hell you'ld do better sending a letter to R Lee Ermmy on Mail Call.
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You HAVE seen the show, right? You have looked at the firearms they have used? You've seen that every one of them is in fact a real firearm, from the .38 revolvers, through the Colt 1911 pattern 45s they used in the "Hollywood shooting stances" myth, all the way up to the Barret Light .50 they haul out on rare occasions?
And that the ammo they use, which they sometimes do closeups on, is real ammo? Usually FMJ, sometimes hollowpoint?
The state of legislation in California does not somehow invalidate the laws of physics.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 01:56
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Bingo!Abraham_uk wrote...
Because they're aliens and robots. You can explain it away in lore. It's a bit harder to do with humans because we know what humans are capable of. Unless they're upgrades in some strange manner.
#208
Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 01:59
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The only time you should be dual wielding is when your fighting a giant target. still I see no reason for all the hate for it though?
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 02:05
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this wouldn't work
how else would shep or anyone else use melee attack or class abilities like throw, not to mention it's very inaccurate that way to hit stuff
maybe a soldier class only thing since they do nothing interesting, other than that it's a bad idea
how else would shep or anyone else use melee attack or class abilities like throw, not to mention it's very inaccurate that way to hit stuff
maybe a soldier class only thing since they do nothing interesting, other than that it's a bad idea
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 02:10
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lobi wrote...
USP 45's AK 47's Mac-10's M16's AA12's Pa-63 and CZ82 1911's For relevance these people are not being fired upon while doing this.
In all the videos except the first one, they are WILDLY inaccurate. The M16 is the best example of that. Look at the spread, and that's at about a 10ft range.
The USPs are the closest to being accurate. He does actually hit the thing a few times. No idea how far away that is though.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 02:15
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suprhomre wrote...
It seems a lot of you people have not play left4dead or Saint Row 3. Or, any shooting games, dual wielding is very effective you know how to use it.
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
Oh man. That was a good one. Thanks, internet.
Anyway, the only reason ever to dual weild is the coolness factor. And since Solid Snake>>>everything else, I'll stick to one gun at a time.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 02:19
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HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
Oh man. That was a good one. Thanks, internet.
hey man, akimbo/dual wielding glocks on mw2 are no joke that obviously means it translate to real life. it is modern warfare duh. obviously in the mass effect universe in the future it would be even better.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 02:37
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Colintastic wrote...
While yes it's true the Cain should make bigger holes in things, and squad members not wearing sealed space suits when in atmosphere-less enviroments is unbelievably stupid... ME gets a vast majority of things right.
OK. I give up. You anti dual-handgun guys are 100 percent right.
Two handguns = total BS.
Miranda's Bulletproof catsuit and Jack's Bulletproof leather nipple straps = totaly believeable.
#219
Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 02:39
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I wouldn't worry about it Trekfanboy. Standard operating procedure for this thread seems to be ignoring points inconvenient to your position.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 03:09
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Trekfanboy wrote...
Colintastic wrote...
While yes it's true the Cain should make bigger holes in things, and squad members not wearing sealed space suits when in atmosphere-less enviroments is unbelievably stupid... ME gets a vast majority of things right.
OK. I give up. You anti dual-handgun guys are 100 percent right.
Two handguns = total BS.
Miranda's Bulletproof catsuit and Jack's Bulletproof leather nipple straps = totaly believeable.
Did I not address that when I mentioned, "non-space suits in space is dumb?" They should have something completely sealed and also more protective. If I was not more clear, then yes, I agree, It's stupid. However, you mentioned something like "NASA guys probably hate this stuff," so I replied to that. At least that aspect isn't so bad in terms of feasibility.
EDIT: despite their outfits, the vast majority of their protection comes from shields though. N7 armor, at least in the books, is not terribly effective after your shields go down anyway. Bullets still ripped through people pretty fast. The armor's most effective use was to apply medi gel to damaged areas.
Modifié par Colintastic, 01 décembre 2011 - 03:12 .
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 03:14
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Trekfanboy wrote...
Colintastic wrote...
While yes it's true the Cain should make bigger holes in things, and squad members not wearing sealed space suits when in atmosphere-less enviroments is unbelievably stupid... ME gets a vast majority of things right.
OK. I give up. You anti dual-handgun guys are 100 percent right.
Two handguns = total BS.
Miranda's Bulletproof catsuit and Jack's Bulletproof leather nipple straps = totaly believeable.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because one aspect of the MEverse was damaged, doesn't mean they should JohnWooify it further by introducing another bad idea.
Oh and for the record, I avoided using Miranda on missions until I installed AAP2. Jack remains a problem to this day. Best to have her maintain the biotic bubble, and that's it.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 03:43
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Heather Cline wrote...
No I don't think so. Mythbusters busted the myth that dual hand guns actually is a good way to shoot a gun and be highly accurate. In fact you are more likely to miss your target than hit your target.
this.
times like a million.
#223
Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 04:27
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No dual wielding... PLEASE. It makes no sense. Shepard is a professional Soldier. He/she is trained to use a gun properly, and that means holding a pistol steady with two hands.
This discussion though does bring up an old article I read on EGM, where this former soldier commented on Solid Snake's proper stance while using a pistol. In that same article he also derided Lara Croft's dual wielding and stated that Snake would kill her in a second.
This discussion though does bring up an old article I read on EGM, where this former soldier commented on Solid Snake's proper stance while using a pistol. In that same article he also derided Lara Croft's dual wielding and stated that Snake would kill her in a second.
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 06:13
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Modifié par suprhomre, 01 décembre 2011 - 06:27 .
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Posté 01 décembre 2011 - 06:24
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[quote]Abraham_uk wrote...
Simple reason why Shepard having two guns simultaneously equiped is daft. One hand occupied for biotics, the other occupied for guns and probably omnitool. Also that omniblade. How much multi-tasking do you want from Shepard? He/she is already doing three things at once if he/she is a sentinel. Having two sniper rifles on top of biotics and tech powers?
So Shepard misses his/her aim with all of the tech/biotic powers, and misses with the sniper, trips over (balance must be a bit wobbly if going comando with two sniper rifles) and gets hurled up in his/her own throw field and then accidently applies cryo blast on him/herself. Ooops. Shepard dies from multi-tasking.
Actually that isn't realistic, if Shepard is a woman, she'll have no problem handling the dual sniping, biotics and tech powers.
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Dual wielding HANDGUNS! should be a alternative for those who wants it, as an upgrade. I'm pretty sure if the option is available, Shep can put one gun in a holster while doing Biotic, if I recall right I have even seen Shep do double omniblade charge against troopers.
Jezz what part of the suggestion did I say assault rifle,shotgun or sniperrifle as dualwielding. I suggested handguns and SMG.
People, please if you have anything intelligent to add for this debate I will welcome it, but calling people by name and implement them as stupid for liking this. Don't make your points any sharper it will only makes you look like a big a-hole. A debate is the most civilize tool to argue about X/Y. There are some written rules about the conduct against our fellow mates and some unwritten, because it belongs to the common sense that people should understand it already.
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Simple reason why Shepard having two guns simultaneously equiped is daft. One hand occupied for biotics, the other occupied for guns and probably omnitool. Also that omniblade. How much multi-tasking do you want from Shepard? He/she is already doing three things at once if he/she is a sentinel. Having two sniper rifles on top of biotics and tech powers?
So Shepard misses his/her aim with all of the tech/biotic powers, and misses with the sniper, trips over (balance must be a bit wobbly if going comando with two sniper rifles) and gets hurled up in his/her own throw field and then accidently applies cryo blast on him/herself. Ooops. Shepard dies from multi-tasking.
Actually that isn't realistic, if Shepard is a woman, she'll have no problem handling the dual sniping, biotics and tech powers.
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Dual wielding HANDGUNS! should be a alternative for those who wants it, as an upgrade. I'm pretty sure if the option is available, Shep can put one gun in a holster while doing Biotic, if I recall right I have even seen Shep do double omniblade charge against troopers.
Jezz what part of the suggestion did I say assault rifle,shotgun or sniperrifle as dualwielding. I suggested handguns and SMG.
People, please if you have anything intelligent to add for this debate I will welcome it, but calling people by name and implement them as stupid for liking this. Don't make your points any sharper it will only makes you look like a big a-hole. A debate is the most civilize tool to argue about X/Y. There are some written rules about the conduct against our fellow mates and some unwritten, because it belongs to the common sense that people should understand it already.
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