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The flame wars aren't that bad.

You haven't seen flamewars until you've been on a HP forum. (or an anime one). Good lord those make the flamewars here like a joke.

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Just do what I did, learn to stop worrying and love the flamewars.

You shouldn't have to change who you are just to be here and enjoy the forum. Z brings up a valid point. I think it needs to be discussed. :)

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Kind of easy for the op to say when their favorite character is a permanent squad member, when ME2 fans got shafted. But whatever.

Is that seriously why you have been trolling every topic that has anything to do with Tali? Cry.More.Please.


Nah, the character's always been poorly done, but the whole ME2 cast got sidelined. It made that whole game feel like Bioware gave every player a 30 hour long middle finger.

Modifié par android654, 30 novembre 2011 - 09:20 .


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android654 wrote...

Kind of easy for the op to say when their favorite character is a permanent squad member, when ME2 fans got shafted. But whatever.


Touche. Again though, I am just as **ssed as other people that certain characters are not squadmates. I didn't even expect Tali to be a squaddie. I would have settled for Garrus, Liara, and Ashley, but that is not the case.

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Mei Mei wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Just do what I did, learn to stop worrying and love the flamewars.

You shouldn't have to change who you are just to be here and enjoy the forum. Z brings up a valid point. I think it needs to be discussed. :)

"Siha, I've made a life of killing those who deserve to die. We must struggle to not become what we hate."

:lol:

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Nah, the character's always been poorly done, but the whole ME2 cast got sidelined. It made that whole game feel like Bioware gave every player a 30 hour long middle finger.

Poorly done to you. Clearly thats not the case for a lot of people. I think Jack has no redeedming qualities. Know what the difference is? I dont **** about it.

Modifié par Quole, 30 novembre 2011 - 09:21 .


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Eh. I only got one character I actually like as a squaddie. The rest of the party is new or characters I can't stand.

Though frankly I'd take less banter (or no banter at all) if it meant I could have more of my ME2 favs to be permanent squaddies. Banter isn't that important.

This is helped by the fact that I like Shep far more than anyone else though and it looks like Shep gets a nice amount of attention.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 novembre 2011 - 09:23 .


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Zorziban the Great wrote...

android654 wrote...

Kind of easy for the op to say when their favorite character is a permanent squad member, when ME2 fans got shafted. But whatever.


Touche. Again though, I am just as **ssed as other people that certain characters are not squadmates. I didn't even expect Tali to be a squaddie. I would have settled for Garrus, Liara, and Ashley, but that is not the case.


Meh, Guess we'll see what attention Mordin, Jack and the rest get come March.

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You know, the flamewars do hold a kind of comic relief. Whatever, maybe I would feel different if it was my fave. I don't feel bad about Tali being attacked, I do feel bad about the Talimancers being attacked, thats lame. I know I would try to defend Thane and it would ****** me off if the hate got turned to me... but then I am also used to being hated as a wretched emo elfmancer. Fenris fans get flak alot for apparently being immature fans who only like Fen for his looks. *Sigh* It's a damn burden defending my pixels to the death.

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Well, Android, it isn't as if we didn't see it coming. The "shafting", I mean. There is no way fifteen (all killable) characters could possibly receive equal or adequate development in the span of one game, especially when the majority of them (hell, nearly ALL of them) have, at best, tertiary connections to the plot. Not the outcome I'd personally like, but an inevitable one. BioWare's not really shafting anyone (purposely, anyway). No point in getting our ****** all in a twist. Being a grumpass makes you wrinkly.

...That being said, I don't understand why they added Vega.

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Quole wrote...

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Nah, the character's always been poorly done, but the whole ME2 cast got sidelined. It made that whole game feel like Bioware gave every player a 30 hour long middle finger.

Poorly done to you. Clearly thats not the case for a lot of people. I think Jack has no redeedming qualities. Know what the difference is? I dont **** about it.


Ok, calm down. If I was pissy about Tali returning, wouldn't I be b**ching about Garrus and Ashley/Kaidan and Liara returning as well? The only things I've written about her were in threads about the character not whoi's returning in ME3. So chill.

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I agree with you, OP. but apparently for some people, it is impossible to enjoy their favorite character without resorting to bashing others. its like they feel that that by bashing other characters they are making their character sound better or something? I don't understand it, but I do sometimes have enough and attempt to call those people out on it and then... end up escalating the flame war, becasue for a lot of people admitting that they might be wrong in any way is impossible.

my fear.. is that once ME3 is relased.. the fame wars will reach new, epic proportions.

Sad but true... On the plus side with the end of the trilogy characters like Shepard, Garrus, Mordin, etc... will no longer be key aspect and everyone will move on I guess...
Unfortunately that just means they are just going to find new things over which to hate each other...

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Quole wrote...

android654 wrote...

Nah, the character's always been poorly done, but the whole ME2 cast got sidelined. It made that whole game feel like Bioware gave every player a 30 hour long middle finger.

Poorly done to you. Clearly thats not the case for a lot of people. I think Jack has no redeedming qualities. Know what the difference is? I dont **** about it.


Hey none of that here! Feel the looooove man. Seriously, we need to talk about the flaming and how it is affecting the fanbase. Also how people feel about it.

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Mei Mei wrote...

Zorziban the Great wrote...
I just... I don't know. I just think this whole thing is childish. I wish we could be a united fanbase, but with trolls and such, I guess not.

I apologize for my joke. It's just, I have seen the same sentiments expressed many times and perhaps I am jaded. Wait. No, I am jaded. XD 

I think you brought up an interesting topic of discussion. I think looking at all sides to the discussion is a good place to start. Logical questions start to arise. Like why is hating so easy and so popular? Are we dealing with a generation of cynics? And if so, what does that say about society? 



That's actually quite a good point. You want something solved, dealing with the problem at face value head on won't help. Finding out the the reason why people do what they do is what's needed, and could possibly lead, with a little luck to the solution desired. It's a slow process though.

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Mei Mei wrote...

Can't we all just get along?


Nice thought, but nearly unpracticable !Image IPB

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Zorziban the Great wrote...

Quole wrote...

android654 wrote...

Nah, the character's always been poorly done, but the whole ME2 cast got sidelined. It made that whole game feel like Bioware gave every player a 30 hour long middle finger.

Poorly done to you. Clearly thats not the case for a lot of people. I think Jack has no redeedming qualities. Know what the difference is? I dont **** about it.


Hey none of that here! Feel the looooove man. Seriously, we need to talk about the flaming and how it is affecting the fanbase. Also how people feel about it.

You realize its not gonna stop, right? This has been happening since before the BSN.

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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Mei Mei wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Just do what I did, learn to stop worrying and love the flamewars.

You shouldn't have to change who you are just to be here and enjoy the forum. Z brings up a valid point. I think it needs to be discussed. :)

"Siha, I've made a life of killing those who deserve to die. We must struggle to not become what we hate."

:lol:

I find your use of that particular quote ironic considering your earlier post. :huh:

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How the fan base feels about it? No one curr.

Seriously. BSN is hardly representative of ME fans at large.

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War is in our nature as human beings. Ever since the parable of Cain killing Abel man has fought one another for dominance. No idea's original.

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Please don't let it end. It's too entertaining.

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aye dam calm dwn yall i got sum pound cake rite here who want let al calm dwn n tlk dis out tbh s/o 2 little debbie tbh

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Arcadian Legend wrote...

That's actually quite a good point. You want something solved, dealing with the problem at face value head on won't help. Finding out the the reason why people do what they do is what's needed, and could possibly lead, with a little luck to the solution desired. It's a slow process though.

It maybe a slow process but so is turning coal into a diamond. Why wouldn't you want to make that kind of sociological change? What's so wrong with being understanding and accepting versus cynical or judgmental? 

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Mei Mei wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Just do what I did, learn to stop worrying and love the flamewars.

You shouldn't have to change who you are just to be here and enjoy the forum. Z brings up a valid point. I think it needs to be discussed. :)

Yeah? Well I was a conformist before conformism was mainstream. *hipster glasses*

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Tom80 wrote...

Mei Mei wrote...

Can't we all just get along?


Nice thought, but nearly unpracticable !Image IPB

Plow probability does not mean impossible. We are talking a system change starting with human behavior. A behavior was propagated by creating a thread to start the discussion. Why not continue to behavior change and ask why is hating so popular? 

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How the fan base feels about it? No one curr.

Seriously. BSN is hardly representative of ME fans at large.


This is very true. BSN is made up of the people who are fans enough to devote hours of their time to partake in discussion here. Much more..."hardcore" for lack of a better word, fans. So they're going to feel more strongly about the game and characters, and thus hate harder.