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[Omega4RelayResident]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

You see - those who were predominantly Renegade (or were the loudest about it) did not believe that Paragon choices should be allowed.

No, no Renegade I have ever talked to has ever said or implied that. Please jump off a cliff.

No, but you have said that they should end in critical mission failure.

Honestly I have been away for a while but I still remember to never take ANYTHING Saphra Deden says seriously. A two month absence and that one thing about these forums clung to my memory bank in my brain. I think that says something.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 02 décembre 2011 - 03:18 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Honestly I have been away for a while but I still remember to never take ANYTHING Saphra Deden says seriously. A two month absence and that one thing about these forums clung to my memory bank in my brain. I think that says something.

Here's another important tip: don't accuse Saphra of saying things Saphra never said.

Here's another important tip: refering to one self in the 3rd person is a clear sign of insanity.

[Eclipse_9990]

So many angry renegades in here; in a funny way this makes a lot of sense.

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Honestly I have been away for a while but I still remember to never take ANYTHING Saphra Deden says seriously. A two month absence and that one thing about these forums clung to my memory bank in my brain. I think that says something.

Here's another important tip: don't accuse Saphra of saying things Saphra never said.

Here's another important tip: refering to one self in the 3rd person is a clear sign of insanity. 

"Mr.T has had enough of your disingenuous assertions."

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 02 décembre 2011 - 03:27 .

[GMagnum]

hello how r u yes u readin dis tbh

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I've said they should have at least one decision in each game that ends in "failure", yes. I mean that they should have a decision in each game that winds up making things harder on Shepard and worse for the galaxy and/or other people. I never said Paragon shouldn't be a legitimate path to the end or shouldn't be available at all.

As opposed to Renegade's one decision (which outcome you can see coming a mile away) that ends in a CMF in the whole trilogy?

I have seen people say that they think Paragon should be punished in some horrible way just to form some kind of equality between the two, even though there has yet to be a single Renegade decision that's gone horribly bad besides missing out on some weak cameos that didn't even play that much of a big role for the Paragon.

Not ot mention that there's absolutely nothing that forces you to always pick the Renegade OR Paragon choices even if you don't agree with them.

Or that the two are supposed to bring different outcomes in the first place.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 02 décembre 2011 - 03:24 .

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

No, but you have said that they should end in critical mission failure.

I've said they should have at least one decision in each game that ends in "failure", yes. I mean that they should have a decision in each game that winds up making things harder on Shepard and worse for the galaxy and/or other people. I never said Paragon shouldn't be a legitimate path to the end or shouldn't be available at all.

To be fair, I don't recall a Renegade decision that ends in critical mission failure.  Perhaps Morinth romance?  But I would hardly call that a renegade decision, that's just dumb.

If you campaigned for such changes to the Renegade path, I would be surprised.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Romancing an Elcor should definitelly result in a Critical Mission Failure...

@Eclipse_9990... OMG priceless

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 02 décembre 2011 - 03:26 .

[Jog0907]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Omega4RelayResident - funny thing is, I absolutely agree. I think both sides should have negatives - and positives.

The Renegade could have been a hard as nails pragmatist. Sadly, it was sometimes misrepresented as a sociopath and a douchebag as well - aspects which should have had their own line or left out completely.

I would have loved to have the Renegade get Cerberus - Cerberus tech (those awesome robots) - and the Cerberus mindset splashed all over the ME universe. At the end of the story - humanity is on top - the Council is crushed or all human - and Cerberus replaces the Alliance (now crushed or crippled) as the leading mindset of the human race. Que Star Wars "Empire" theme.

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Interestingly enough - I think that it's just going to be sour grapes from a whole section of the player base.

You see - those who were predominantly Renegade (or were the loudest about it) did not believe that Paragon choices should be allowed. I have not seen any level of grace - or co-existence - on the "Renegade" side of things. Of course - they'll say it has nothing to do with "Renegade" and "Paragon" and that it's just what "makes sense" vs. "morally self-righteous blah de blah".

Many pro-Cerberus people said there is absolutely NO room for two stories... no room for the diplomatic hero and the hard as nails bad ass to co-exist.

So, "IF" the game does not give us both Paragon and Renegade awesome-fest endings... perhaps Bioware took this to heart and made a choice.

"IF" this is the case - in the end, they got what they wanted - it did not turn out the way they expected.

But - I'm sure it affirmed their real life cynicism. Life is so unfair.

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Still - here's to hoping we can all be appeased and have our world views re-affirmed through a video game.

I wouldnt mind if the Renegades got to take over as leaders of Cerberus after the inevitable demise of TIM. Mass Effect = Burger King.... you get it your way.

There are sour grapes of course... do you have any IDEA how badly I got trolled when I tried to convince people of my theories being correct. All the Cerberus cheerleaders wanted to do the Polka on my spine. Am I a bit happy that the Cerberus fans got shafted after they behaved like "Renegades" (ironically appropriate and consistant) in the forums.

OF COURSE I AM!

why stop at control of cerberus or why to focus on controlling them only, talk about being an underachiever

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

CMF? What is that? Break that one down for me.

It's what happens when you "romance" Morinth.

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

CMF? What is that? Break that one down for me.

It's what happens when you "romance" Morinth.

Oh, right. I don't know why you couldn't just write out "Critical Mission Failure". CMF doesn't have the same impact.

Personally I'd have given Renegade's a Critical Mission Failure for being bold enough to drink the krogan ale. Rincol or whatever it's called.

Fair enough.

[Eclipse_9990]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

CMF? What is that? Break that one down for me.

It's what happens when you "romance" Morinth.

Bit off topic but it makes me wonder if Morinth will have a bigger role/"reveal" herself in ME3. 

Also your sig is awesome(not the banner). 

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Personally I'd have given Renegade's a Critical Mission Failure for being bold enough to drink the krogan ale. Rincol or whatever it's called.

Not that it's a Renegade action, but whatever.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Personally I'd have given Renegade's a Critical Mission Failure for being bold enough to drink the krogan ale. Rincol or whatever it's called.

Not that it's a Renegade action, but whatever.

You could drink it on the Citadel from the bartender.... I think the Krogans talked it up a bit too much is all.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The choice is in the bottom right and in this case that's good enough for me.

Paragon Shepard is too much of a wuss to get drunk.

Just... /facepalm

[Omega4RelayResident]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The choice is in the bottom right and in this case that's good enough for me.

Paragon Shepard is too much of a wuss to get drunk.

Just... /facepalm

Paragon Shepard is a tight-ass and you know it.

I am a good person in RL and I get ****faced.... what does having a drink have to do with being a Paragon or a Renegade?

[Labrev]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Genshie wrote...
People are taking the leaked script way to seriously and way out of context. People are reading the script as if it were written as a book or a play script which it is not and beyond text we have no idea how anything will be delievered beyond what has been shown as of now. People are assuming alot based off of text alone which is wrong. Most movies and games sound horrible just with the script alone and nothing else. We do not know what has been changed or added since then and just responding with, "they can't possibly change some of the major events with only 5 (now 4 months)", is not a good enough excuse to be sore against Bioware and that is still plenty of time to add things and make changes (granted nothing majorly huge but changes none the less).

There is quite a bit missing from the script, and much we don't know.  I'm using the script as a baseline to see where the final product may end up because that's the direction they were heading in.  When I saw that the second, larger leak file had romances in it, but we were still writing romances as late as a few days ago, I knew that the scipt would have substantial flavor changes at the absolute minimum.

Indeed, and look at who's (over)reacting the most to it: the Negative Nancies.

Which is why I say, when you put yourself in the mindset to be unhappy, you always will be. But, you can choose not to, and that might even get you to... enjoy.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

...what does having a drink have to do with being a Paragon or a Renegade?

I don't know, ask Bioware. What does saying you aren't interested in someone have to do with Paragon or Renegade? Or being pro-human or pro-Council? 

Apples and Oranges.... Drinking and Xenophobia..... come on you have to admit that in-game the Pro-Human side has a lot of hatered toward aliens.

It is a renegade action to lead someone on and then tell them you arent interested. You also had the choice to let them down neutrally if you did not lead them on first. Everyone other than Kelly... shes there for your pleasure.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 02 décembre 2011 - 03:52 .