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We're "Biodrones" because we refuse to bash something until we've played it?

Cool story.

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Omega4RelayResident wrote...

come on you have to admit that in-game the Pro-Human side has a lot of hatered toward aliens.


A lot? No, in ME1 it had some but never a lot. ME2 doesn't really have any. Renegade Shepard is a lot nicer in ME2 I thought.

Anyway, I don't feel like debating this. I was just trying to have a little fun with SMW but I guess he never gets that bug out of his ass. Poor guy.

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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

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People are taking the leaked script way to seriously and way out of context. People are reading the script as if it were written as a book or a play script which it is not and beyond text we have no idea how anything will be delievered beyond what has been shown as of now. People are assuming alot based off of text alone which is wrong. Most movies and games sound horrible just with the script alone and nothing else. We do not know what has been changed or added since then and just responding with, "they can't possibly change some of the major events with only 5 (now 4 months)", is not a good enough excuse to be sore against Bioware and that is still plenty of time to add things and make changes (granted nothing majorly huge but changes none the less).


There is quite a bit missing from the script, and much we don't know.  I'm using the script as a baseline to see where the final product may end up because that's the direction they were heading in.  When I saw that the second, larger leak file had romances in it, but we were still writing romances as late as a few days ago, I knew that the scipt would have substantial flavor changes at the absolute minimum.



Indeed, and look at who's (over)reacting the most to it: the Negative Nancies.

Which is why I say, when you put yourself in the mindset to be unhappy, you always will be. But, you can choose not to, and that might even get you to... enjoy.



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Saphra Deden wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 to be a laughable experience so I can say "I told you so." Even though I know the rest of you biodrones will still defend it because you have no taste and no backbone.


As opposed to you playing the Renegade and defending the choices with your life to the point that you basically are implying to us that you wish you were that cool. Sorry last time I checked the douchebag never gets his happy ending in any classic or modern story.

Voldemort, Sauron, Vader, Khan.... yup they all got their happy ending right?

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Personally I'd have given Renegade's a Critical Mission Failure for being bold enough to drink the krogan ale. Rincol or whatever it's called.


Not that it's a Renegade action, but whatever.


The choice is in the bottom right and in this case that's good enough for me.

Paragon Shepard is too much of a wuss to get drunk.


Well to be fair I'd rather be a wuss than end up suffering from gastrointestinal bleeding.

Also; people who don't wanna get drunk are wuss's? 

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Saphra Deden wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 to be a laughable experience so I can say "I told you so." Even though I know the rest of you biodrones will still defend it because you have no taste and no backbone.


Jeez, even I can't believe anyone can be this cynical, and bitter. /serious face

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As opposed to you playing the Renegade and defending the choices with your life to the point that you basically are implying to us that you wish you were that cool.


What gave you that impression? Not that I don't have "Renegade" opinions in real-life mind you. I've never made any attempt to portray myself as "cool". In fact I don't think I've ever talked about my life openly on the forums in the first place!

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Saphra Deden wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 to be a laughable experience so I can say "I told you so." Even though I know the rest of you biodrones will still defend it because you have no taste and no backbone.


And I can get to say "I told you so" because Cerberus turned out to be as evil as they are stupid and you will keep defending them because you don't know any better.

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And I can get to say "I told you so" because Cerberus turned out to be as evil as they are stupid and you will keep defending them because you don't know any better.


If you are proud to champion bad writing then be my guest. I suppose then that I understand your hatred of Cerberus a lot better. They were always one-dimensional punch-clock villains (apparently) and those kinds of villains suck. So I guess we've found common ground.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 to be a laughable experience so I can say "I told you so." Even though I know the rest of you biodrones will still defend it because you have no taste and no backbone.


Different taste.  You don't like it, that's fine.  Other people do, so what?  Sure, I'm no fan of the direction their going either, but to diss every fan that likes their product isn't very productive and isn't helping you get the game you want.  

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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As opposed to you playing the Renegade and defending the choices with your life to the point that you basically are implying to us that you wish you were that cool.


What gave you that impression? Not that I don't have "Renegade" opinions in real-life mind you. I've never made any attempt to portray myself as "cool". In fact I don't think I've ever talked about my life openly on the forums in the first place!


The intensity you have when you defend the Renegade standpoint is so strong that it implys these things. So if you are a good person in real life what is it that makes you love the Renegade soo much? Is it just the fantasy of being bad with no reprocussions?

Listen I DO NOT WANT YOUR GAME TO EXPLODE FOR PICKING RENEGADE... just for you to get the ending you want allong with the entire galaxy hating you for being a douche.

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Pride Demon wrote...

Well, I personally have Sheps that kept the Base and others who destroyed it...
But seeing so many threads discussing over which decision is best got me thinking, I realized in the end there is no inherently better or worse decision, however recently I realized something else...

The thing the OP mentions isn't the worst possibility, there's another potential problem that strangely enough no one (even in the game) considers...
Follow my reasoning: Mordin tells us how the Collectors are basically little more then organic robots with a lot of tech implanted in them to compensate for their failing abilities (due to indoctrination)...
We also know they are not born, they are created through cloning, as a Collector dies off or grows to old to be efficacious a new one is created to replace it...

We don't know where this cloning takes place, but for efficiency reasons it's safe to assume it happens in the Collector Base and since manual clonation is inefficient and risky it's quite possible said process is automated...

So, given all this, if the pulse that allows us to keep the base keeps the machinery intact, what's stopping the Collector Base from simply creating more Collectors?
It's not like Cerberus knows where to look to deactivate the cloning process... :/


Now that is an interesting theory. I think instead of blowing up the base via the power source that the power source is used up to make the pulse that cleanses it. Now when they literally turn the lights back on it might return but usually a manual reset is required when things are powered down. it could go either way.

I also have done both for various reasons. Keeping the base is not stupid even if some things turn out to be negative from it. The tech gains could end up being the deciding factor.

Who says keeping the base or blowing it up would mean Cerberus and Shepard could never be at odds again? Illusive Man says it quite often what he believes to be in humanities interests. So even handing him the base is no free pass to future goodwill and harmony. We won't know this stuff until ME3 is out and fully explored. The leaks be darned as they are not fact as of yet so irrelevant IMO.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 to be a laughable experience so I can say "I told you so." Even though I know the rest of you biodrones will still defend it because you have no taste and no backbone.


Different taste.  You don't like it, that's fine.  Other people do, so what?  Sure, I'm no fan of the direction their going either, but to diss every fan that likes their product isn't very productive and isn't helping you get the game you want.  


Nothing I say or do is going to get me the game I want so I might as well unleash my frustration on the ignorant, taste-less masses that helped bring the game to this point.

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...I don't see how Cerberus' betrayal is anything but expected. All you ever hear is, "Cerberus is going to screw you, Shep."

Lo, Cerberus screws Shep.

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The intensity you have when you defend the Renegade standpoint is so strong that it implys these things. So if you are a good person in real life what is it that makes you love the Renegade soo much?


What makes you think Renegade isn't a good person?

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Saphra Deden wrote...
Nothing I say or do is going to get me the game I want so I might as well unleash my frustration on the ignorant, taste-less masses that helped bring the game to this point.


There he goes insulting us again... this guy is like Don Rickles on steroids.

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Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 to be a laughable experience so I can say "I told you so." Even though I know the rest of you biodrones will still defend it because you have no taste and no backbone.


As opposed to you playing the Renegade and defending the choices with your life to the point that you basically are implying to us that you wish you were that cool. Sorry last time I checked the douchebag never gets his happy ending in any classic or modern story.

Voldemort, Sauron, Vader, Khan.... yup they all got their happy ending right?


Renegade =/= Douchebag. My personal favorite Shepard is also my most renegade (red meter is maxed-out, and then some!) and really, she is not evil or really even that much of a douche (she is occaisionally, but not totally).

You can be a renegade, and still very compassionate.

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...I don't see how Cerberus' betrayal is anything but expected. All you ever hear is, "Cerberus is going to screw you, Shep."


This again. It always comes down this and I never get an answer.

Everyone in the game says "Cerberus can't be trusted" yes. However you know what they don't say? They don't say WHY Cerberus can't be trusted. We are just supposed to take it at face value that we can't trust them without ever being given a reason.

Why can't I trust them? So far they've been a bigger help than any of the supposedly "trustworthy" factions and they actually recognize the threat. Cerberus and I also have the exact same politics, the same beliefs, the same goals.

So why can't they be trusted? I need a logical reason. I need an explanation as to why I shouldn't invest anything in them.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

The intensity you have when you defend the Renegade standpoint is so strong that it implys these things. So if you are a good person in real life what is it that makes you love the Renegade soo much?


What makes you think Renegade isn't a good person?


Sending Pitne For in to fight the Eclipse on Illium... funny but not a choice a good person would make.

Sacrificing the Council... if the word sacrifice is used it usually means something bad.

Keeping something around that can make baby Reapers.... need I explain the point I am making here?

Shooting Conrad in the leg.... yeah because all good people handle their debates that way.

I can keep going bro...

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Besides the fact that they're careless (often to the point of incompetence), and that TIM flagrantly withholds vital information with great frequency?

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Sorry last time I checked the douchebag never gets his happy ending in any classic or modern story.

Maybe you should check a little harder.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

If you are proud to champion bad writing then be my guest. I suppose then that I understand your hatred of Cerberus a lot better. They were always one-dimensional punch-clock villains (apparently) and those kinds of villains suck. So I guess we've found common ground.


Again with the "I don't like it, so it's bad writing" attitude.

How anyone could ever think that Cerberus was going to be anything else is beyond me. 

Defenders of humanity, even though the only thing we need to defend ourself against is the Reapers, and I doubt they'll care what thresher maw acid does to a human.

A black ops group like they were in ME1? Then they shouldn't have introduced the abomination that is TIM to the Mass Effect brand, because ever since he got into the picture, every single piece of fiction that was released ever since has involed that s**tstain in some way, who wouldn't know for the life of him what subtlety is. Or what a developing character is, for that matter.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Nothing I say or do is going to get me the game I want so I might as well unleash my frustration on the ignorant, taste-less masses that helped bring the game to this point.


Okay seriously; I was joking around during this thread, but this post annoyed me. Who are you? Anyone who doesn't like/dislike the same things you do is "ignorant, and tasteless"? You seriously need to get your ego under control if you really believe this. 

Your opinion is not the ultimate truth, the world doesn't revolve around you. Also, how petty can you be? You're frustrated by a video game, and feel the need to annoy, and insult anyone that doesn't agree with you? Is your life so bitter, sad, and meaningless that you need to act this way? What's wrong with you? Get help. 

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Sending Pitne For in to fight the Eclipse on Illium... funny but not a choice a good person would make.


You are forgetting just who he is. He's cute, but also bad.

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Sacrificing the Council... if the word sacrifice is used it usually means something bad.


Caring more about the survival of all sentient life in the galaxy more than the survival of a few politicians is bad? You need to get your priorities straight.

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Keeping something around that can make baby Reapers.... need I explain the point I am making here?


Yeah, you do need to explain your point. You know why the bas is kept? Information. Knowledge is power and in this case it may be key to our survival. We can't meet the Reapers head on because they are too advanced. We need to understand them better, and their technology, so we can even the playing field or find a weakness to exploint. That's why keeping the base is so important and why destroying has never been justified.

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Shooting Conrad in the leg.... yeah because all good people handle their debates that way.


It barely grazed him and an idiot like Conrad needs the wake-up call.

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Defenders of humanity, even though the only thing we need to defend ourself against is the Reapers,


It's sad that you really believe this.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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Defenders of humanity, even though the only thing we need to defend ourself against is the Reapers,


It's sad that you really believe this.

Who else needs to be defended against?