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[DiebytheSword]

I would also like to state that EDI is a very useful tool, far more so than the Thannix cannon which increases the range, but not puch of our weapons. The difference here is the ME core of the reaper dreadnaughts, which outclasses ours by an unspecified, but large amount. Their version of the thannix has much more power, and likely range for that reason. It is one possible thing to find that is useful with in the Collector base. How does one make a massive Eezo core?

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

A Reaper virus. She also prevented the Collectors from locking down the Normandy they way they did entire colonies, the way they did Alliance ships.

And how long will it take until this technology can be mass distributed and actually be useful on a larger scale?

Because I doubt EDI alone will change the tide of the war.

[Omega4RelayResident]

AlexXIV wrote...

I have to say your santa hat really adds to your authority.

As opposed to your avatar that looks like he has Downs. Avatars have nothing to do with intelligence, authority, or personal opinions.

I have the Atreides symbol as my avatar... does that mean I am the pinnacle of Paragon mindsets?

Pro tip: No

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

How am I having it both ways?

I explained that for you, go back and read it.

With that, this conversation has become more confrontational than I wish to engage in.  I was trying to engage in polite debate, perhaps another time.

Back to work, or mocking my collegue for trying to reverse engineer his part

[Dave of Canada]

I'll do this pretty much point form.

The Collector Base.
Filled with Collectors.
Collectors who have technology which is considered by other species as winning the lottery because it makes you powerful among other gangs and the like.
Collectors who've created Scions, Seeker Swarms and the like.
Let's also not forget the dead Human Reaper which probably ended up in better shape than Sovereign.
Or how we've managed to get a technology from reverse engineering dead Collectors.

The Base has no good tech, blow it up!

[Medhia Nox]

Metagaming?

Shepard can't read a calendar now?

Shepard: Garrus - thanks for the Thanix tech. If I start from this date of development from the moment we killed Sovereign - it's been two years and some months.

Garrus: Correct - I'm not sure of the exact date - but sounds right.

Shepard: Well - the Reapers are coming... we know that, it might be a decade.

Garrus: Might be two weeks.

Shepard: True... they could show up tomorrow and retake the Collector Base.

Garrus: Sounds like a good reason to give it to Cerberus... takes care of an itch.

Shepard; Still - Cerberus can be useful still - better a scorched earth policy and stop the Reapers for making more human slushies .

Garrus: I dunno - it kinda looked appetizing. Dunno if a straw would work though.. maybe one of those spoon straw inventions you humans have.

Shepard: Har har... blow that ****ty thing up.

[111987]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Bases are not untrackable. They are very visible, very easy, very tempting targets.
You can bet your ass the reaper will scour any system clean of any installations.

Totally missing the point. If you can't even admit it is far more likely the Reapers will find empires spanning several solar systems than remote isolated bases and secret space stations, there's no point in debating you.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

NO S*** SHERLOCK!
He was glad to be alive? How henius! How unhuman! Truly TIM is worse than Hitler!!

Who the f** wants to die and by a martyr? No one does. You just do it because you feel you have to.

The point was you took the argument out of context. You said TIM was willing to die to save humanity, and yet fail to mention that he only decided he was willing to die after he was corned by five Turians while armed with only a pistol.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And your own argument doesnt' bode well for other races. You cannot prove the Council races won't destroy humanity. therefore I am completley justified (by your own logic) in wanting to wipte them out.

If that's the conclusion you reached, than you clearly don't understand my logic. I can see i'm wasting my time with you.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yet you'll never admit that. Your bias blinds you.

Gotta love the irony.

You clearly don't understand what I'm saying and are not even trying, so I think we're done here. Believe what you wish, and I'll do the same. Just don't presume that everyone who disagrees with you is moronic lest you end up looking like a complete and utter fool yourself.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And how long will it take until this technology can be mass distributed and actually be useful on a larger scale?

And why does that factor in keeping it or not? You don't know how long you've got, all you know is that they're coming. They could be there in three years, they could be there right now. I doubt "Meh, we might not have time to use this advantage. Let's blow it up." is something logical.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 décembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

...and here I was trying to be polite.

You honestly think there is no Reaper technology in the base? So... if the base built a Reaper it wouldn't be a Reaper? What would it be? If it was a Reaper would have Reaper technology?

I suppose your post is the dumbest thing I've read all day, but in comparison to your usual stupidity it is nothing special.

So what happens if they're using their Collector machines to construct the Reaper? Are we just going to assume that the Reapers will do it the exact same way with their machines too?

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

That must be the dumbest thing I've read all week.

That's like saying this machine and this machine are the same just because they happen to make the same product.

Protip: They're not.

...and here I was trying to be polite.

You honestly think there is no Reaper technology in the base? So... if the base built a Reaper it wouldn't be a Reaper? What would it be? If it was a Reaper would have Reaper technology?

I suppose your post is the dumbest thing I've read all day, but in comparison to your usual stupidity it is nothing special.

Well but some issue remains.

It may be that to use this reaper tech you actually need to build a reaper. We are talking about reapers using it and us using it, which may not be the same thing. It could for example be that the necessary energy to get the reaper tech running requires an actual reaper to run efficiently ... or accurately. After all there must be a reason why reapers are the way they are and hide in darkspace instead of just living in the galaxy like ... we ... for example. So why would the reapers take all this trouble upon them if there was a better way?

Thinking about reaper tech I really always stumble over this problem. I have to ask myself why are the reapers the way they are and is their tech the reason for it? Even though it probably wouldn't matter for some because they wouldn't mind to build a reaper even if they had to 'process' millions of people to save billions. It would ofc be a tough question if it was the really only way to stop the reapers. I for one though wouldn't bet on that.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 décembre 2011 - 12:31 .

[AlexXIV]

Dave of Canada wrote...
The Base has no good tech, blow it up!

Finally reason! And from you, no less!

[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'll do this pretty much point form.

The Collector Base.
Filled with Collectors.
Collectors who have technology which is considered by other species as winning the lottery because it makes you powerful among other gangs and the like.
Collectors who've created Scions, Seeker Swarms and the like.
Let's also not forget the dead Human Reaper which probably ended up in better shape than Sovereign.
Or how we've managed to get a technology from reverse engineering dead Collectors.

The Base has no good tech, blow it up!

Mental gymnastics is a funny thing isn't it?

[Medhia Nox]

@Alex XIV; I believe we more commonly use the term "logic" to inform someone we approve of the conclusion they've come to because it matches our own.

- And I'm fairly certain "reverse engineering" is going to be my new solution to everything.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The end result is what is important. Either they were building a Reaper or they weren't. If they were building a Reaper then they were building Reaper technology. So unless you think they weren't building a Reaper then you know the base contains Reaper technology.

Assuming that Harbinger didn't store the schematics in his head, that is.

[Dave of Canada]

Medhia Nox wrote...

- And I'm fairly certain "reverse engineering" is going to be my new solution to everything.

Considering that's pretty much what the entire Mass Effect universe is built upon, sure.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

It may be that to use this reaper tech you actually need to build a reaper.

Neither EDI nor the Thanix require a Reaper to function.

So that point is shot down. Next one?

In response to your other questions: studying the Collector base may answer them.

You aren't going to learn anything by blowing it up.

Ok we have EDI and the Thannix cannon already. We don't need the base for them.

Yes studying the base would give answers. And it may get us into trouble. I never claimed there are not good points to keep it. I argue there are also good points to blow it up. If I have confidence we can already beat them without the base then keeping it would be an unnecessary risk. If of course I'd think we have no other chance to win than by using the base, I'd keep it. I happen to believe the first.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 décembre 2011 - 12:38 .

[Someone With Mass]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Alex XIV; I believe we more commonly use the term "logic" to inform someone we approve of the conclusion they've come to because it matches our own.

- And I'm fairly certain "reverse engineering" is going to be my new solution to everything.

New winter tires? I'LL REVERSE ENGINEER THEM FROM THE STONE WHEEL!

New fuel source? I'LL REVERSE ENGINEER IT FROM GASOLINE!

New interstellar transport? I'LL REVERSE ENGINEER IT FROM THESE FIREWORKS!

[AdmiralCheez]

You guys are still bickering about this bullsh*t?

[Ravensword]

Oh, hai, Cheez!