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#851
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AdmiralCheez wrote...

You guys are still bickering about this bullsh*t?

It seems to be one of the hot topics. Maybe THE hot topic.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

You guys are still bickering about this bullsh*t?


You know it. Even if I already know the outcome.^_^

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You don't have any such confidence. Do you? How can you be so certain? Are you meta-gaming?

Why always play the metagaming card? It gets so cliche. I mean how can anyone not metagame? You know stuff, you can't unknow it. Also, Shepard may in theory know more than we. After all we only get to see scraps. I mean who knows what Shep's doing while I am not looking? Or sleeping? Also my Shep is very confident. Some could say overconfident. He is basically King Cailan just without the fail.

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Why always play the metagaming card? It gets so cliche. I mean how can anyone not metagame?


It's easy to not do. I do it any time I try to explain the reasoning behind a decision in-game based only on what the characters in the game actually know. It is not a complicated subject.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Thanks for the worthless post.

Not as worthless as YOUR FACE.

Seriously, guys.  What is this, Groundhog Day?

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Someone With Mass wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

You guys are still bickering about this bullsh*t?


You know it. Even if I already know the outcome.^_^


Spoiler alert; Cerberus is bad! MaGuffins are good!

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thanks for the worthless post.

Not as worthless as YOUR FACE.

Seriously, guys.  What is this, Groundhog Day?


Maybe it is.......

*thinks of all the glorious carnage he could cause*

Yes...this idea is...most appealing.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thanks for the worthless post.

Not as worthless as YOUR FACE.

Seriously, guys.  What is this, Groundhog Day?


If you aren't interested in this thread then stay out.

Simple idea, don't you think?

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Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Why always play the metagaming card? It gets so cliche. I mean how can anyone not metagame?


It's easy to not do. I do it any time I try to explain the reasoning behind a decision in-game based only on what the characters in the game actually know. It is not a complicated subject.

And I could claim you have a bias because you simply don't like the way Bioware handles the base decission. I mean how do I know you don't have reasons for arguing for keeping the base which don't really have anything to do with the in-game situation? I made the decission the first time I played which was as within the first week after release. I didn't know **** about ME3. Granted, I didn't think everything through, I made a morale choice. Now that I know Cerberus is going to be a reaper pet it's really the final nail in the cerberus coffin. Is it metagaming? Maybe, maybe not. You know, at this moment of choice I was Shepard. I made the morale choice and I did not doubt it was wrong. Maybe that's all that counts. I only after wards thought about it and if it maybe had been better to keep it. Sometimes I thought it would be better and sometimes not. It took some time to realize that there is no rational choice. It is an ideological choice. Ever was, ever will be. Because nothing we *know* is enough to base such a decision on.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 décembre 2011 - 01:02 .


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And I could claim you have a bias because you simply don't like the way Bioware handles the base decission.


If you think I am being biased then please explain why. What positions or justifications have I presented that indicate bias?

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I am going to say this off-topic. This guy ruined the spider man movies for me.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

And I could claim you have a bias because you simply don't like the way Bioware handles the base decission.


If you think I am being biased then please explain why. What positions or justifications have I presented that indicate bias?

Well obviously you advocate paragon choices to backfire. So you want this to backfire. I am not going to search the threads for quotes. You know what I mean, we had this not long ago in another thread. The points you argue for keeping the base are all fine.

Basically I see it like this. Keep the base, risk problems. Destroy the base, risk losing ressources. That's a draw. Now you claim that the loss of ressources is worse than the problems keeping/researching it could cause. And I disagree. If I claim the opposite, none of us remains with facts to back up our opinions. Again draw. What I mean is that Bioware probably wrote it as an ideological choice, not a practical one. And that it will be considered as such in ME3. Sorry if that's metagaming again and bothering you. But I am not going to go to war with the game itself just to run into a dead end and then complain about how Bioware ruined the franchise. I like it too much to set myself up for disappointment.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 décembre 2011 - 01:13 .


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Well obviously you advocate paragon choices to backfire.


No, I advocate choices to backfire. I don't care which choices specifcally, only that the "backfire" outcomes affect both moralities.

I do not argue that we should keep the Collector base because I want something bad to happen if we don't. I only argue that it is more logical to keep the base than to destroy it. I have made no statements regarding what the outcome should be, only what the consequences could be. That is not at all the same thing.

If you destroy the base and nothing bad happens I won't be unhappy. Though I would still argue that your decision to destroy the base was one poorly made. The arguments calling for the bases destruction have never carried as much weight as the arguments to keep it.

AlexXIV wrote...

Basically I see it like this. Keep the base, risk problems. Destroy the base, risk losing ressources. That's a draw.


No, it is not a draw. Keep the base, potential gains. Destroy the base, nothing.

I ask this in every thread on this topic and never get an answer. SMW mass wussied out and ran off without answering it. Maybe you will take his place.

What is your plan for defeating the Reapers? What is your strategy? Mine involves finding out as much as we can about the Reapers. The goal is to close the tech gap by reaching an understanding of Reaper technology. This will hopefully allow us to develop effective weapons and defenses that may enable us to win the war.

Without the base we have a lot less to go on (nothing really).

What is your plan?

If I claim the opposite, none of us remains with facts to back up our opinions.


I do have facts. I have a history of reverse engineered Reaper technology being invaluable to our survival. The Conduit. EDI. The Thanix.

What have you got?

I also have the basis that our lack of knowledge is precisely why we should keep the base and study it! Only through study can we dispel that ignorance and replace it with understanding it.

Your side of the argument has no logical basis. It never has. This has nothing what-so-ever to do with ideology. We are discussing strategy, not politics.

Modifié par Saphra Deden, 10 décembre 2011 - 01:22 .


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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thanks for the worthless post.

Not as worthless as YOUR FACE.

Coming from someone like you, I find that statement to be amusing.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

I ask this in every thread on this topic and never get an answer. SMW mass wussied out and ran off without answering it. Maybe you will take his place.


Nah, I just felt like doing something else for a while.

What you've done that indicates bias?

Besides all those times you've said that Paragon is morally hopeless and that he/she is merely acting on gut feeling instead of the facts like the Renegade apparently does besides essentially giving TIM the finger in the end, which could might as well indicate that they're acting on it out of spite?

Well, then there are those other times you've said that it's pretty much pointless to fight the Reapers.

What benefits one might gain from blowing up the base?

No need to clean up the eventual mess later, not giving potential WMDs to a man who's obviously just in for his own self-gain and not letting the Reapers reacquire more resources. And locking away potential threats from that place forever.

I find that to be more than enough for me.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thanks for the worthless post.

Not as worthless as YOUR FACE.

Coming from someone like you, I find that statement to be amusing.


Actually we already saw the good Admiral's face.... not what I would call worthless.... unless you are talking about her forum Avatar....

Besides Cheez you know that wherever there is a Lotion Soronar arguing some point or another we must all be there to tell him hes wrong

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After this comment I think I should change my Avatar back to House Harkonnen

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Besides all those times you've said that Paragon is morally hopeless and that he/she is merely acting on gut feeling instead of the facts like the Renegade apparently does besides essentially giving TIM the finger in the end, which could might as well indicate that they're acting on it out of spite?


That is not bias, that is all true. It comes straight from their mouths.

Someone With Mass wrote...

No need to clean up the eventual mess later, not giving potential WMDs to a man who's obviously just in for his own self-gain and not letting the Reapers reacquire more resources. And locking away potential threats from that place forever.


What mess? What WMD's? What resources would the Reapers gain? What potential threats?

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thanks for the worthless post.

Not as worthless as YOUR FACE.

Coming from someone like you, I find that statement to be amusing.

Yeah, everyone listen to this idiot.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

What mess? What WMD's? What resources would the Reapers gain? What potential threats?



A REAPER MANUFACTURING LOCATION is one hell of a resource. A REAPER is a WMD. A REAPER is a potential threat. A REAPER is a mess.

Do you honestly think Cerberus has the firepower, and the resources that would allow them to prevent the reapers taking back their CB?

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Saphra Deden wrote...

What mess? What WMD's? What resources would the Reapers gain? What potential threats?


The ones that comes from the same place you pulled that incredibly useful information that will obviously turn the war around from.

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A REAPER MANUFACTURING LOCATION is one hell of a resource.


Not for the Reapers it isn't, not during the Reaper war. It is an asset mostly useful to them after the war. It actually presents a weakness because while it can produce a Reaper it also needs to be defended by many more. One of the Reapers strengths is that they don't need to defend anything but the Collector base would break that trend.

So them capturing it actually works a bit in our favor. In any case, even if they are about to capture it we can still blow it up.

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Omega4RelayResident wrote...

A REAPER MANUFACTURING LOCATION is one hell of a resource.


Let's not forget the technology that can disable entire colonies.

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The ones that comes from the same place you pulled that incredibly useful information that will obviously turn the war around from.


I do not claim that any such information is there, only that it could be. The fact is I don't know and I want to find out. I can't find out if the base is blown up.

Stop mischaracterizing my arguments.

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Let's not forget the technology that can disable entire colonies.


A potent weapon, but not an insurmountable one. After all Mordin was able to come up with a counter and none of the technology in the colony was non-functional. A little hacking and the guns turned on just fine.

You never answered my question though.

What is your plan for defeating the Reapers? Do you at least have an outline? I gave you mine, what is yours?

I offer something constructive but so far you offer nothing but ways to avoid vague threats.