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[Omega4RelayResident]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

I like how you ignored the second part of my response.... and it happens to be the part that debunks your current response.

1.) I did not ignore the second part of your post, I responded to it. Read mine more carefully.

2.) It does not debunk my post at all.

Bob the Reaper: Hey Jerry want to build a relay that leads to a random place we never been to and we can never get to without the relay and place one of our most important instalations there?

Jerry the Reaper: Yeah sure but wont the organics we harvest use that to their advantage one day when we least expect it?

Bob the Reaper: Nah I dont think so.... the probability calculator says its only a 0.000001% chance of happening.

Jerry the Reaper: Sure lets do it!

Banjo plays in the background.

[Dave of Canada]

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't see why the Reapers *wouldn't* take back the CB facility. It saves them the time and effort of rebuilding another one.

Essentially, that's the only reason I'd see them as possibly wanting to reclaim it. It would serve no tactical advantage to reclaim it as they've got access to the technology anyway, they made it.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
You base this on what exactly? Why didn't they upgrade it the last time? They just like doing things inefficiently?

That base didn't exist until after the Prothean cycle and they haven't been challenged like this before.

You seem eager to pull every technological advancement that might benefit us out of your ass so quick, but not when it comes to their side and what they might do.

Because they won't stop developing new means of destroying us either. That's what they do with each cycle. They gather all the technology and knowledge of the advanced races to use in the next cycle.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Essentially, that's the only reason I'd see them as possibly wanting to reclaim it. It would serve no tactical advantage to reclaim it as they've got access to the technology anyway, they made it.

So if you are a race that reproduces by one specific way... and someone takes that way away from you... and you are hellbent on surviving and reproducing some more... you wouldnt try to take it back?

I fail to see the logic there.

[AlexXIV]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
It's a phrase that really only applies when there's substantial reason to believe that the 'sorry' outweights the 'benefit.' The premise that the base will lead us faster down a path of destruction is, well, very unsubstantiated.

[Ryzaki]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Essentially, that's the only reason I'd see them as possibly wanting to reclaim it. It would serve no tactical advantage to reclaim it as they've got access to the technology anyway, they made it.

Well it does have the additonal advantage of having the organic species lose access to it but that'll most likely be a too little too late scenario.

And while they may have access to the tech anyway that doesn't make losing it insignificant. Especially not if it takes a good deal of time and effort to build another one.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

Uh...their reaper making factory? That they kind of need to make more Reapers?

Sadly, spoilers intervene.

I don't see why the Reapers *wouldn't* take back the CB facility. It saves them the time and effort of rebuilding another one.

Not that by that time valuable information wouldn't have been gained.

Really, convenience to the Reapers would be the main thing... but by the time the Reapers can really use it at all (having the population and the shipping ability to move the necessary humans to the base), the Reapers have already won the war more or less. At which point, they could also simply make another machine, or the *spoilers*.

At the same time, however, denying it to the Reapers afterwards would be pretty easy. Just have an indoctrination-proof system* where if a Reaper is nearby, base blows up.


*By which I mean a system designed so indoctrinated subjects would not be able to turn it off by various means.

[Dave of Canada]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

So if you are a race that reproduces by one specific way... and someone takes that way away from you... and you are hellbent on surviving and reproducing some more... you wouldnt try to take it back?

I fail to see the logic there.

Hellbent? I'd heavily doubt that, they could easily just rebuild it. They're in no rush considering they have no sense of time and will just be devastating everything around the galaxy, it might quicken the process of when they'll have one new Reaper at their side but it won't be super extremely fast and won't alter the war because it's done at that point.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
That's true, and so why then do you think it makes sense to sabotage our greatest chance yet to undermine them?

Undermining them by developing the exact same things they have?

Yeah, that will never go bad.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
It's a phrase that really only applies when there's substantial reason to believe that the 'sorry' outweights the 'benefit.' The premise that the base will lead us faster down a path of destruction is, well, very unsubstantiated.

Congratulations: you apparently understand the concept of non-sequiter.

Not really relevant to my post, but hey. You know how to post images. Good for you.

[Dean_the_Young]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Essentially, that's the only reason I'd see them as possibly wanting to reclaim it. It would serve no tactical advantage to reclaim it as they've got access to the technology anyway, they made it.

So if you are a race that reproduces by one specific way... and someone takes that way away from you... and you are hellbent on surviving and reproducing some more... you wouldnt try to take it back?

I fail to see the logic there.

Try factoring in redundancy capability, requirements of even being able to use it, and the lack of a time-pressing need for that specific base.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

...good grief. Both decisions are viable and justified. Why have the needless d*** measuring contest?

Because some people are trying some of those non-viable arguments to an absurd degree.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Undermining them by developing the exact same things they have?

Yeah, that will never go bad.

We either build what they have or stay underpar.

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Sadly, spoilers intervene.

Wait me or you? because we learned that bit in ME2.

Really, convenience to the Reapers would be the main thing... but by the time the Reapers can really use it at all (having the population and the shipping ability to move the necessary humans to the base), the Reapers have already won the war more or less. At which point, they could also simply make another machine, or the *spoilers*.

At the same time, however, denying it to the Reapers afterwards would be pretty easy. Just have an indoctrination-proof system* where if a Reaper is nearby, base blows up.


*By which I mean a system designed so indoctrinated subjects would not be able to turn it off by various means.

I'm not sure about the first bit. They've been doing this for a while, I'm pretty sure they have a good method of transport to wherever the baby facility is.

Also true. Sadly I doubt Cerberus' would do such a thing. >_> Blowing it up is the lesser evil to my Shep. After all EDI and Thannix came from blown up bits.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:23 .

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...good grief. Both decisions are viable and justified. Why have the needless d*** measuring contest?

Because some people are trying some of those non-viable arguments to an absurd degree.

So how viable is my "I don't trust Cerberus to use the base without massive indoctrination occuring and making the whole issue moot?" arguement?

Why can't we all just get along? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:20 .

[Aumata]

Cerberus gets the base anyway why are we still having this conversation, it probably won't mean much of a big deal for those who kept the base anyway, the only thing I can actually see is those who kept the base getting upgrades that wouldn't exist for those who destroy the base.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If I want to have a child but I need to escape from a war zone would I opt to have my child right then? No, because it would be a burden. I'll get out of the warzone first and then have it.

Yup this thing is a burden...


https://forums.playf...3ef47984abf8fb7

It can fight before it is even completed. Burden my a**!

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:20 .

[Someone With Mass]

I just love how some people seem to think that the Reapers can build structures equivalent to the Collector base in a matter of hours or days.

Or that they'd waste resources to build new a new one when they can claim what is already there and save the resources for something else in the future.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I just love how some people seem to think that the Reapers can build structures equivalent to the Collector base in a matter of hours or days.

Or that they'd waste resources to build new a new one when they can claim what is already there and save the resources for something else in the future.

This ^

[Dave of Canada]

Ryzaki wrote...

So how viable is my "I don't trust Cerberus to use the base without massive indoctrination occuring and making the whole issue moot?" arguement.

Cerberus works in cells, they'd send in scavengers and they'd salvage the tech and send it out to the labs. Scavengers who might potentially become indoctrinated pose no threat as they'd be too few in number and know nothing about the cells they're sending the things off to.

These various cells would salvage what they can from said technology, any indoctrinated cell is eliminated and research starts anew. The Illusive Man never risking indoctrination as he never leaves the safety of his star and none of the operatives know of his whereabouts.