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[Ryzaki]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Seeing how human beings are so argumentative OVER a FICTIONAL STORY and a FICTIONAL SITUATION....

I say let Earth die.... were no better than Vorcha

My Shepard is going to perform his first Renegade action.... DOING NOTHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM AT HAND

I don't think Shep can. It'd be an awesome dead end though. Just have shep go "Screw this." and pull an Ilos. I have about three Sheps that'd take that ending.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:41 .

[AlexXIV]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
No one knew about the Reaper construction process before Shepard did. This is a baseless conspiracy.

Whether they know doesn't matter. They had found the derelict reaper and who knows what. They found technology, studied it and built something of it. Whether they really know where they are headed or go there cluelessly doesn't change that they get there.

I mean seriously, does it make sense that Cerberus suddenly seems to have an edge to all other races' scientists because they found reaper tech? Yes it does. Could it explain why they work with the reapers at some point? Yes it could.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:42 .

[Ryzaki]

Really the way Cerberus studied the DR was pathetic. That was a far more valuable resource than the CB would ever been and they just left it flying in space (well the science team stopped reporting in and the guys we sent after them stopped reporting in too so let's just leave it there even though we need all the intel on the Reapers we can get) for Shep to kick into a dark hole.

Unbelieveable.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:43 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No, I'd equip the best people I had.

It's better than nothing and certainly better than anything you've suggested. Which, incidentally, is nothing.

Yeah, if you're in denial for the sake of argument.

Then I can see how that works.

Not to mention that your cute little plan weighs heavily on the possibility that TIM might feel generous and give you full access to all the information he's gained from that base.

And judging by his current record, I find that very unlikely.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Unless they wanted us to have it - just like they wanted us to find Mass Relays - and the Citadel - etc.

I actually never thought of this... maybe thats why the Protheans got turned into Collectors..... because they found the CB.

Or maybe the Reapers wanted us to know that they wanted us to have it so that we wont want it and blow it up because...

Or even worse maybe they wanted us to know that they knew that we know....

This is where this is going... a good point but I am just getting the inevitable out of the way

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

Really the way Cerberus studied the DR was pathetic. That was a far more valuable resource than the CB would ever been and they just left it flying in space for Shep to kick into a dark hole.

Unbelieveable.

What would you have them do?

[Medhia Nox]

@Omega4RelayResident: I know that you know that I know that you've switched your avatar back to the deplorable House Harkonnen.

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@Saphra Deden: Good thing they didn't think to blow it up then... not quite the vastly superior unstoppable machine gods you've been predicting Saphra.

And thank heavens they placed your magic bullet on it.

They should team up with TIM.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:46 .

[Ryzaki]

AlexXIV wrote...

What would you have them do?

Cerberus knew about indoctrination a while ago. They should've accomdated for that eventuality. Instead they send the team there, let them get indoctrinated, then send another team and decide "it's too dangerous" and leave it there. The DR is a Reaper for pete's sake. They should've been clamoring to get to it.

And yet it's treated like a "ah whatever." where the CB is OMG DON'T DESTROY THAT!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:47 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

Considering what happened every other time Cerberus dealt with Reaper tech I see no overestimation of risk.

A single cell was lost without endangering the greater galaxy after finding the Reaper IFF. (Derilict Reaper.)

A galaxy-saving AI was made. (EDI)

A dozen people were lost, but the means to pass the Omega relay was secured, and the Collector threat was broken. (Reaper IFF)

The Reapers read some biotic information, killed a small number of people, mostly criminals. (Retribution)

Not exactly high costs from the Reaper tech angle, and certainly not outweighing the gains. Shepard kills more people on Omega for less reason.

And wiping out an indoctrinated cell might not be though the damage they can do has the potential of being pretty bad (I'm assuming said base is still being worked on when the Reapers arrive). Blowing up the base still gives some tech with the risks being significantly lessened.

Well, not really. Even 'broken' Reaper tech can indoctrinate, after all, while the people studying it have less clue of what it's supposed to do and how it's supposed to work. That means they'll have a harder time being both productive and safe about it.

The dangerous stuff doesn't even have the advantage of the Reaper-label boxes of 'this kills the drones, avoid drone inefficiency.'

Oh so they finally started using preventive research? About time.

With Invasion, it looks like they're playing on people's low expectations of Cerberus.

I've laughed several times.

Well considering Shep defeats the Reapers regardless I have no reason to surrender.

Sure you do.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Omega4RelayResident: I know that you know that I know that you've switched your avatar back to the deplorable House Harkonnen.

I still have no idea what you are talking about.

[Medhia Nox]

And why build your baby... BEFORE you invade?

These Reapers are incompetent.

[Dean_the_Young]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Dean_The_Young: Interesting that you have made a contingency plan to blow the Collector Base up should it ever be compromised...

And yet - the Reapers never seemed to think of that.

Or they put more value on trying to let the Reaper kill Shepard than blow up the base and kill their baby to deny the base to Shepard.

Unless they wanted us to have it - just like they wanted us to find Mass Relays - and the Citadel - etc.

Except all the much stronger signs that suggest they didn't want anyont to find it, but ultimately don't think it matters.

[Someone With Mass]

AlexXIV wrote...
What would you have them do?

I would have liked if they had moved it to another spot that isn't a massive health hazard, actually done something about the indoctrination instead of just throwing themselves at it and hope it'll go away and checked the Reaper IFF for potential attack programs before removing it and putting it on a box in the middle of the Reaper. 

That's just my thoughts, though.

[Dean_the_Young]

Medhia Nox wrote...

And why build your baby... BEFORE you invade?

These Reapers are incompetent.

To figure out if you can make a baby at all.

Plus potential subplots about trying to provoke a Terminus-Council war. But those were never really canon.

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

What would you have them do?

Cerberus knew about indoctrination a while ago. They should've accomdated for that eventuality. Instead they send the team there, let them get indoctrinated, then send another team and decide "it's too dangerous" and leave it there.

They wanted the information. Cerberus have a reptutation to get what they want at any costs. So they lose a couple of scientists? They can be replaced. New tech is probably worth more to Cerberus than a couple of scientists. That's not new. Also I am not sure if it was TIM's plan to lose the reaper, it was maybe just unavoidable. He wanted the IFF, and sacrifices are necessary. Actually for Cerberus standard it is not a proper operation if not something or someone is sacrificed.

[Medhia Nox]

@Saphra Deden: You made a whole long thread about how  "We can't be the Reapers." - no, you didn't say they were perfect.. you did assert, for many MANY long pages - they were unbeatable.

And to answer your request... I do, often, it's wonderful.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:50 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The Reapers aren't perfect, I never said they were. The base had no self-destruct probably they did not expect anybody could reach it and even when Shepard did reach it they probably didn't expect he could succeed.

Nothing at the time said that it didn't...

[AlexXIV]

Someone With Mass wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
What would you have them do?

I would have liked if they had moved it to another spot that isn't a massive health hazard, actually done something about the indoctrination instead of just throwing themselves at it and hope it'll go away and checked the Reaper IFF for potential attack programs before removing it and putting it on a box in the middle of the Reaper. 

That's just my thoughts, though.

I guess moving a Reaper is difficult. It may have been their plan to do that actually, but they failed.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The Reapers aren't perfect, I never said they were. The base had no self-destruct probably they did not expect anybody could reach it and even when Shepard did reach it they probably didn't expect he could succeed.

If it had no self destruct.... then they obviously:

A) Need it at all costs.

Are not affraid of the information and technology that could be found there and therefore it couldnt be used against them.

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
A single cell was lost without endangering the greater galaxy after finding the Reaper IFF. (Derilict Reaper.)

A galaxy-saving AI was made. (EDI)

A dozen people were lost, but the means to pass the Omega relay was secured, and the Collector threat was broken. (Reaper IFF)

The Reapers read some biotic information, killed a small number of people, mostly criminals. (Retribution)

Not exactly high costs from the Reaper tech angle, and certainly not outweighing the gains. Shepard kills more people on Omega for less reason.

How is that an accomplishment? Now if you said the IFF was found at the cost of only a single cell yeah that's a win. Would've been more of a win if they hadn't let their people get indoctrinated to that extent so that the DR had to be kicked into a black hole losing loads of far more valuable intel but eh...

That I'll give you.

A loss and a gain. Especially when that loss should've been avoided seeing as how Cerberus of all people should be well aware of the effects of indoctrination.

Nah Shep killed them in self defense. I'd consider that a good reason. though no it doesn't outweight the gains. That's not to say said gains couldn't have happened without a loss though.

Well, not really. Even 'broken' Reaper tech can indoctrinate, after all, while the people studying it have less clue of what it's supposed to do and how it's supposed to work. That means they'll have a harder time being both productive and safe about it.

The dangerous stuff doesn't even have the advantage of the Reaper-label boxes of 'this kills the drones, avoid drone inefficiency.'

I'll agree to disagree then.

Not seeing that either.

With Invasion, it looks like they're playing on people's low expectations of Cerberus.

I've laughed several times.

Is that a bad thing or no?

Sure you do.

Pfft. Watch my Shep save the galaxy better than yours without saving the CB.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:55 .

[Someone With Mass]

AlexXIV wrote...
I guess moving a Reaper is difficult. It may have been their plan to do that actually, but they failed.

I don't know. If people can move asteroids that are larger than mass relays, one would think that they'd be able to move a Reaper.