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[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

As cheesy as some of the paragon speeches are, they mostly speak my mind.

Those are your glands.

[/Old World Blues]

I guess you know what I am talking about. Everyone and their mom think that destroying it is the better option. Which not why I originally destroyed the base, but what reinforced my resolve to do it again and again.

You put much value on the daddy-complex brigade after they by and large handed their life issues to Shepard to solve?

[AlexXIV]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
This gets into heavy ME3 spoilers, plus other issues.

Off topic. Why read so many spoilers? I usually try to avoid them so I can enjoy the game. You seem rather intelligent, so why would you? No insult, just curiousity.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Dean:  Fine whatever. You and your logic.

And genre-savy. And calm. And charming. And modest.

And I wasn't really being spoilery. Without spoilers I'm pretty sure the best ending doesn't hinge on saving/destroying the CB.

I'm trying to avoid spoilers for yours (and everyone else's) benefit.

Since I do have the spoilers, I'm well aware of what happens... but can't/shouldn't say here.

[AlexXIV]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

As cheesy as some of the paragon speeches are, they mostly speak my mind.

Those are your glands.

[/Old World Blues]

I guess you know what I am talking about. Everyone and their mom think that destroying it is the better option. Which not why I originally destroyed the base, but what reinforced my resolve to do it again and again.

You put much value on the daddy-complex brigade after they by and large handed their life issues to Shepard to solve?

Well first off it is a mommy complex, because my Shep's female. Also, yes. I value the opinion of my crew highly. They are supposed to be the best of the best. You don't get there without having half a brain I guess.

[Ryzaki]

AlexXIV wrote...
Off topic. Why read so many spoilers? I usually try to avoid them so I can enjoy the game. You seem rather intelligent, so why would you? No insult, just curiousity.

Well...I read them because I like knowing how the book ends. It's the journey not the ending that's important...if that makes any sense.

@Dean: Totally not vain or anything.

Though honestly my view since ME1 has been Shep finds instant Reaper kill switch, presses it after 40+ hours of fighting and talking and pulling a DAO and then Reapers blow up and everyone goes home and starts rebuilding their shattered lives. ...with several people being too dead to do such.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Ryzaki - Renegades don't "rebuild shattered lives" - they live with the pain, like any self-respecting logical being would do.

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Off topic. Why read so many spoilers? I usually try to avoid them so I can enjoy the game. You seem rather intelligent, so why would you? No insult, just curiousity.

Well...I read them because I like knowing how the book ends. It's the journey not the ending that's important...if that makes any sense.

@Dean: Totally not vain or anything.

Though honestly my view since ME1 has been Shep finds instant Reaper kill switch, presses it after 40+ hours of fighting and talking and pulling a DAO and then Reapers blow up and everyone goes home and starts rebuilding their shattered lives. ...with several people being too dead to do such.

Hm no does not make sense because if the journey is important, not the ending, would you not make the journey before you know the ending?

[Someone With Mass]

AlexXIV wrote...
Well maybe they could, maybe not. I don't know enough about mass effect cores, fields or the progress they made on the DR.

All we know that it apparently wasn't enough.

[Ryzaki]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Ryzaki - Renegades don't "rebuild shattered lives" - they live with the pain, like any self-respecting logical being would do.

Good thing I play mostly paragons.

And...rebuilding a shattered life is living with the pain. *

AlexXIV wrote...

Hm no does not make sense because if the
journey is important, not the ending, would you not make the journey
before you know the ending?

Because lines of text (that aren't even in order) don't equal the full game experience.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:17 .

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
This gets into heavy ME3 spoilers, plus other issues.

Off topic. Why read so many spoilers? I usually try to avoid them so I can enjoy the game. You seem rather intelligent, so why would you? No insult, just curiousity.

Foresight.

I knew that even if I didn't read the spoilers myself, people on the forum who had would ultimately reveal them. Some would be trolls, some would be accidental, and some would be ranters either hating or loving something.

Even if 98% of all spoiler-readers never mentioned them elsewhere, the 2% who did would be noticed by me. I'd figure out the spoilers anyway, having that investigative mind and all, but I'd be pissed at being spoiled. Whereas if I read the spoilers myself, I'm both aware of context and have control over it.


Think of a water obstacle course. People who try not to get wet will try harder to avoid the water, but still be annoyed when they inevitably get wet. People who jump into the water first, and then tackle the obstacles, don't worry about getting wet again.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well first off it is a mommy complex, because my Shep's female.

Nah, most of them have issues with their fathers, not Shepard.

Also, yes. I value the opinion of my crew highly. They are supposed to be the best of the best. You don't get there without having half a brain I guess.

Glands! Those are your glands![/Old World Blue]

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

And...rebuilding a shattered life is living with the pain. *

Very true.

Personally, I live by the creed 'the duty of a cynic is to make a world in which optimistis can live.'

[AlexXIV]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
This gets into heavy ME3 spoilers, plus other issues.

Off topic. Why read so many spoilers? I usually try to avoid them so I can enjoy the game. You seem rather intelligent, so why would you? No insult, just curiousity.

Foresight.

I knew that even if I didn't read the spoilers myself, people on the forum who had would ultimately reveal them. Some would be trolls, some would be accidental, and some would be ranters either hating or loving something.

Even if 98% of all spoiler-readers never mentioned them elsewhere, the 2% who did would be noticed by me. I'd figure out the spoilers anyway, having that investigative mind and all, but I'd be pissed at being spoiled. Whereas if I read the spoilers myself, I'm both aware of context and have control over it.


Think of a water obstacle course. People who try not to get wet will try harder to avoid the water, but still be annoyed when they inevitably get wet. People who jump into the water first, and then tackle the obstacles, don't worry about getting wet again.

Well ok but I always thought the first run is most interesting. Because you still have surprises. If you already know stuff then it's like your second playthrough. That's also why I never use walkthroughs until I played the game at least once. Walthroughs are only for discovery, stuff hidden somewhere and I am too lazy to look for it. Or impatient.

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
]Very true.

Personally, I live by the creed 'the duty of a cynic is to make a world in which optimistis can live.'

that's rather optimistic don't you think?

And I love reading walkthroughs before I play the game. I like not having to be frustrated by "OMG wait I could've what?!?" the few games I played without being spoiled were so frustrating.

Spoilers are the reason I didn't punch a hole in the wall while playing FF12 (Stupid...four containers that I can't touch or I can't get super weapon. ) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:21 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well first off it is a mommy complex, because my Shep's female. Also, yes. I value the opinion of my crew highly. They are supposed to be the best of the best. You don't get there without having half a brain I guess.

Really? Your Shepard got where she is despite being a dumb as a rock.

So did yours.

[mango smoothie]

Saphra Deden wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

You know whats interesting how much the Rachni decision is simliar to the Collector Base decision.

      With the Rachni you can kill her to prevent the risk of her becoming an enemy in the future.

True, on the surface they are very similar. Fundamentally they are the same choice. The context is different though.

I don't feel the rachni would be helpful against the Reapers because I just don't think they could produce enough of material in that time frame.

I was just pointing out how they can be similar, but it all comes down on what you think. I saw usefulness in both the rachni and Collector Base so I decided to take a risk with both. I can also see how the Geth Heretic choice can be simliar. With me though I destroyed them because I felt it would mess with the true Geth who I see as a potential ally.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well first off it is a mommy complex, because my Shep's female. Also, yes. I value the opinion of my crew highly. They are supposed to be the best of the best. You don't get there without having half a brain I guess.

Really? Your Shepard got where she is despite being a dumb as a rock.

Here, this is to prove that I can post pictures.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Dean: Totally not vain or anything.

Ugly as a rock.

Though honestly my view since ME1 has been Shep finds instant Reaper kill switch, presses it after 40+ hours of fighting and talking and pulling a DAO and then Reapers blow up and everyone goes home and starts rebuilding their shattered lives. ...with several people being too dead to do such.

After ME1 I thought a conventional victory/military buildup could have been decisive.

After ME2, I thought that it would be interesting if the Reapers were some sort of ecological preservation force: if e-zero usage increasingly caused star collapse, the Reaper cycles could have been meant to save galactic livability for more species. 'Ascended' species got to stick around as reapers. Come ME3, I wondered if you could actually negotiate with the Reapers by building an e-zero engine so big, you could destroy the galaxy they were trying to preserve.

After the ME3 pre-spoiler stuff, I figured it had to be The Button.

[Ryzaki]

mango smoothie wrote..

I was just pointing out how they can be similar, but it all comes down on what you think. I saw usefulness in both the rachni and Collector Base so I decided to take a risk with both. I can also see how the Geth Heretic choice can be simliar. With me though I destroyed them because I felt it would mess with the true Geth who I see as a potential ally.

this is a good point.

Ultimately I saved the Rachni because my Shepard decided to trust her and that she could be a valuable ally against the Reapers (despite the risks of what would happen if the Reapers rebrainwashed the Queen). With the CB he decided to destroy it despite the gains that would happen. (same with heretic geth). Didn't want to risk it.

...I guess he was more of an optimist in ME1.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
]Very true.

Personally, I live by the creed 'the duty of a cynic is to make a world in which optimistis can live.'

that's rather optimistic don't you think?

And I love reading walkthroughs before I play the game. I like not having to be frustrated by "OMG wait I could've what?!?" the few games I played without being spoiled were so frustrating.

It certainly has its positive and negative sides.

Before I visited this forum, thought I was forced to let Garrus take the shot to gain his loyalty, since that seemd to be the theme. Being proved otherwise opened up a whole new set of dialogues and opportunities for me.

The negaive part is that it took me about half a year to realize that I could spare Sidonis.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
He's at least smart enough to save the base.

That is debatable.