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[rockman0]

I kept the base. The way I see it, using that base makes all of the humans who died in it worth something. Besides, it'll be amazing if I can show up with a Reaper of me own to defeat all of the other Reapers. >xp

P.S. I'm not a Cerberus defender. I think they have some good points and some bad points. I'm really only using them to further my own goals. lol.

*in-game, I mean. Not in real life.*

Modifié par rockman0, 01 décembre 2011 - 02:44 .

[DiebytheSword]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

In before Cerberus defenders.

01000110 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01000011 01100101 01110010 01100010 01100101 01110010 01110101 01110011 00100000 01001000 01100001 01110100 01100101 01110010 01110011 00101110

53 69 67 68 2e 20 20 41 74 20 6c 65 61 73 74 20 74 72 6f 6c 6c 20 6f 72 69 67 69 6e 61 6c 20 61 6e 64 20 75 73 65 20 48 65 78 20 63 6f 64 65 2e

Hexadecimal for the win, biyatches.

Had to do something with that fancy comp-sci education, didn't I?

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 01 décembre 2011 - 02:51 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Work for me, and you'll never go hungry again!

[DiebytheSword]

rockman0 wrote...

I kept the base. The way I see it, using that base makes all of the humans who died in it worth something. Besides, it'll be amazing if I can show up with a Reaper of me own to defeat all of the other Reapers. >xp

P.S. I'm not a Cerberus defender. I think they have some good points and some bad points. I'm really only using them to further my own goals. lol.

*in-game, I mean. Not in real life.*

While I destroyed the base, my opinion of Cerberus stands roughly where your's does.  They were capable of making the tough decisions when things were bad and no one was acting.  At the same time, I know better than to trust TIM at all, and had that feeling way before Shep was placed in a collector trap to prove a theory.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Except the data clearly states Cerberus are up to no good almost constantly.

[goofyomnivore]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Except the data clearly states Cerberus are up to no good almost constantly.

Well given the data blowing up the base is a literal death sentence is it not?

[Quole]

Dont they do that even if you destroy it?

[GodWood]

Saphra Deden wrote...
I made the right choice given what data was available at the time.

[AlexXIV]

I guess we need to apologize to Cerberus for not buying the 'we do what we have to do', 'humanity first' crap. The only thing I disliked about ME2 and the plot was that I could not show Cerberus the middle finger from the beginning. Working for Cerberus was about the most unvoluntary thing my Shep ever did. And the explaination isn't really good either. The reason I didn't like Cerberus to begin with was simply because I had no choice but to work with them. Even though my Shep was a paragon and even though my Shep considered them terrorists since ME1. Doesn't really have anything to do with TIM or even Miranda, just the fact that Cerberus bringing back Shep to life and the abduction of colonists is not enough reason for me to turn my Shep's back on everything he believed before. Which means into the Alliance and into the Council, despite them being less than helpful in regard of the Reapers.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 01 décembre 2011 - 06:58 .

[Quole]

GodWood wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
I made the right choice given what data was available at the time.

You mad A choice. Not the correct choice.

[Gespenst]

IsaacShep wrote...

And I think Shep will have an option to somehow yank it back from Cerberus and/or use whatever useful info the preserved base will provide against TIM & Cerberus and/or the Reapers.

Enjoy your indoctrination.

Random Nobody wrote...

Like the Normandy.

I'm guessing TIM was not amused.

I find I can bear his disappointment with great fortitude.

naledgeborn wrote...

Congratulations, would you like a medal? Cerberus haters are jokes. Hate because the plot demands it!

I dislike Cerberus because they do a lot of bad things. Which I guess you could say is because "the plot demands it" but only if you're trolling.

CerberusWarrior wrote...

where was the alliance in 2

To be fair the guns they were handing out worked perfectly. If the colonists had made plugging them in a priority they would have been saved. Or destroyed by kinetic strike from orbit. Who can say? (That's probably what the colonists were worried about - that batarian slavers would try to capture them and when it turned out they couldn't they'd
destroy the colony out of spite. Apparently using the reasoning that being enslaved by the batarians in preferable to death. I'm not so sure it is). (Actually all they'd have to do was wait until the collector ship was well inside their range before attacking it)

The only alternative would be to park a dreadnought in orbit over every colony and gee, wouldn't the colonists have loved that?

Modifié par Gespenst, 01 décembre 2011 - 08:39 .

[LGTX]

jreezy wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I myself have a love/hate relationship with Hades' Dog. But more importantly hate that BioWare claims to have written them as morally "grey" and shoves "stupid evil" down our throats with depictions such as Overlord/Teltin.

Why not make them full-blown space naz.is from the get go if that's what the intention was all along? At least a lot less people, myself included, would no longer be on the fence. No but the writers prance around and sugar coat it for whatever reason and call them morally "grey". If the writing were sloppier I'd have to compare it to prison food.

This. Practice what you've been preaching BioWare. If Cerberus is supposed to be morally grey then this is your chance to make them seem as such.

Cerberus is not moraly grey enough? Are you new to these boards, and the discussions held on given topic?

[JaceTAce]

From what is shown in the comics, the Collector Base, whether saved or destroyed is still in use, though possibly just the remains and space where it was for those who destroyed it. Cerberus has a base there and I'm guessing we'll be going there to find out what is up with TIM and Cerberus working with the Reapers. Honestly, indoctrination is the biggest reason, but games with deep stories always have more of an answer to things like this.

[Bourne Endeavor]

I have written several thesis sized posts regarding my opinion on the plot. Should BioWare go along with twisting Cerberus into "Stupid Evil" for whatever partly contrived rationale, they have essentially proven my point. The writing is sloppy and poorly constructed at least where the main plot is concerned. I am not suggesting it was an absolute requirement to maintain moral ambiguity, although my personal opinion would claim it a far more interesting and less predictable twist. Just the possibly TIM is indoctrinated screams a lazy cop out.

If that was the intention from the get go then retain consistency and build Cerberus into this story arc in lieu of a bait and switch. Given Cerberus literally came out of left field in the second game devoid of any development beyond of a minor splinter group. I have my doubts any of this was ever planned well in advance.

[Gespenst]

JaceTAce wrote...

though possibly just the remains and space where it was for those who destroyed it.

I suppose if I were a super villain looking for a place to put a lair then the centre of the galaxy would be the place to do it.

Cerberus is (in) the centre of the galaxy, huh TIM?

Plus Miranda at least knows where TIM's old base is and she quits in fairly conclusive fashion if you have her in your party and blow the place up...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Just the possibly TIM is indoctrinated screams a lazy cop out.

Or the natural and unavolidable consiquence of messing too much with reaper tech.

Cause ---> Effect

Modifié par Gespenst, 01 décembre 2011 - 08:59 .

[LGTX]

jreezy wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Cerberus is not moraly grey enough? Are you new to these boards, and the discussions held on given topic?

That's...irrelevant. As if these boards are the source of information concerning Cerberus. 

If people's arguments are irrelevant, then what is? Single opinions determine moral ambiguity? I don't think so. The BSN community has argued their tails off regarding Cerberus' righteousness, and Bioware saw that, hence their claims that they've made it into such a well-rounded grey spot in the franchise. If they're wrong, it's only because of... people who argued about Cerberus...?  Then they're not wrong. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Too bad. For those who give the base to TIM, anyway.

Me? I don't feel comfortable giving a glorified blender to the people that would gladly kidnap the glorified fruits/vegetables/whatever people put in blenders.

Calling the base a blender is like calling a carrier  - a carriage.

The base is so much more than just the slurpie machine.

[LGTX]

@jreezy I'm just trying to say that whether or not Cerberus is "truly" morally grey, Bioware will still think so BECAUSE of people arguing so much about them. And the latter is an argument by itself. 

Modifié par LGTX, 01 décembre 2011 - 09:18 .

[CerberusWarrior]

the alliance can burn in hell as far as ME 3 is concerned for Me

[Lotion Soronarr]

DiebytheSword wrote...

*edit*  You can't even lose gracefully.  Look at you, grasping at straws versus logical and pragmatic.  Here's a hint, both sides have some logic to them, you obviously felt that one side appealed more to you.  If you spent time debating what is logical and pragmatic and less time debating who's living in fantasy land maybe there would be constructive conversation.

There's can't be a constructive conversation, since one side (those who blow hte base up) is dellusionaly believing it's actions are perfectly logical.

[Phaedon]

Soccer FeverMan wrote...
Oh me personally i rather put my idiotic feelings of moral superiority and not grasp at non existent hope and actually have a concrete resource that could help me defeat my enemy.but thats just me....just saying

The sad thing is that even with your senseless bashing of morals, ideologies and anything deeper than animal instincts (that's actually offensive towards animals, sorry), I would still take you seriously enough to argue with you if you didn't have a Barcelona signature and still had "Soccer" instead of "Football" in your username.

You can't be real.

Modifié par Phaedon, 01 décembre 2011 - 11:09 .