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Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Cerberus supporters kinda remind me of National Socialists.

Fixed.

That too. 

[Ravensword]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Cerberus supporters kinda remind me of National Socialists.

Fixed.

That too. 

No. Just one of those. I would use the short form of National Socialism, but that requires an N followed by an A, then a Z and finally, an I. Put them together on the BSN and you get this: ****

[BlueMagitek]

You think I'm a monster? That's harsh. D=

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Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Cerberus supporters kinda remind me of National Socialists.

Fixed.

That too. 

No. Just one of those. I would use the short form of National Socialism, but that requires an N followed by an A, then a Z and finally, an I. Put them together on the BSN and you get this: ****

Lol, very true. I can see the similarity between the two. 

[Ravensword]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Cerberus supporters kinda remind me of National Socialists.

Fixed.

That too. 

No. Just one of those. I would use the short form of National Socialism, but that requires an N followed by an A, then a Z and finally, an I. Put them together on the BSN and you get this: ****

Lol, very true. I can see the similarity between the two. 

Oh, Drucie.

[Quole]

I can see the similarities between the average BSN user and an idiot. Oh wait... there`s no difference.

[Ravensword]

Oh, hai, Quole!

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Quole wrote...

I can see the similarities between the average BSN user and an idiot. Oh wait... there`s no difference.

*facepalms*

[Ravensword]

Quole likes you.

[didymos1120]

Quole wrote...

I can see the similarities between the average BSN user and an idiot. Oh wait... there`s no difference.

And to think: you voluntarily spend your free time interacting with them.

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Ravensword wrote...

Quole likes you.

Hahahah! Here we go again. I have a feeling he hates me rather,  just a hunch really lol. 

[Quole]

didymos1120 wrote...

Quole wrote...

I can see the similarities between the average BSN user and an idiot. Oh wait... there`s no difference.

And to think: you voluntarily spend your free time interacting with them.

Been over this. I made it my duty to inform people. In truth, I am doing you all a favor. Maybe some day you will thank me.

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Quole wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Quole wrote...

I can see the similarities between the average BSN user and an idiot. Oh wait... there`s no difference.

And to think: you voluntarily spend your free time interacting with them.

Been over this. I made it my duty to inform people. In truth, I am doing you all a favor. Maybe some day you will thank me.

Narcissim FTW! 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Quole you are beginning to remind me of Saphra, just for the other side.

That should be a sobering thought.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Am I the only one who finds Quole funny rather than irritating?

No, your not alone there Cthulhu. He's rather entertaining if you ask me. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
What I'm saying is, it's not worth it to try to solve the problem by creating a new one that's even close to the same level a threat. You're replacing slavery with slavery all over again. It's not worth fighting for survival, if the new scenario brings about a threat that can kill you just as easily. You fight for freedom from the threat completely.

Except it's not even close to the same level of threat.
Except it's not Cerberus slavery. Except it can't really happen.

You're downplaying what they were (to downplay the potential threat Cerberus would pose in their place). They were literally carrying out harvesting on behalf of the Reapers.

The Collectors didn't fight because they didn't have to, the swarms did the work for them. As it were though, they were armed and well-enough prepared to handle combat, even if there was a disparity between how advanced they were and how easy they were to defeat in the game (writer fail).

I'm not downplaying anything. One base, a few thousand troops and a single ship.
The Collectors coudl only get away wiht what tehy were doing because of how, where and when they did it.

Yes.. and it also brings you experience points with which you can purchase skills...
Be frakkin serious. that gameplay mechanic. It doesn't work that way realisticy.

And I don't think you understand what those "resources" are.
I don't think you understand the support and logistics infrastructure behind armies at all...

No, it's not rocket science. You win a battle, you acquire crap. Like, the Collector Base itself from the O4-mission.[\\quote]

Aaaand I see you really do not understand....

The claims you are making here are based on impression, not actual knowledge of the enemy past the basic stuff we know. I'm not claiming to know that we have a chance, I'm just not acting like I know enough to deciedly say one way or the other.

No, they are based on actual knowledge...

When's the last time they invaded w/o the Citadel surprise-attack? When's the last time they had to enter the galaxy from dark space and face likely all living species fighting against them?

I dont' know. I don't have to know to know their overwhelming tactical and strategic superiority.
They don't need a surprise attack (and apprently thy stil lcaught everyone by surprise)

It wasn't. My survival was already practicly impossible.
I take a risk and maybe die, or I don't take a risk and die. It's very simple.

No it isn't. You can't even prove conclusively that we die out in the war without it (past impression-based speculation). That much is unknown. So if you're using that invalid conclusion to take this gamble, and it turns out we did have a chance afterall and you ruined it with that decision, then it should not have been taken period.

Yes it is. You can't prove anything with ANY certanty.
I can. Probablity is on my side on this one.

So what's your plan if the base renders nothing?

The same as yours - they to do as muhc as I can with the resources I can, as futile as it is.
If I fail, I'm in the same boat as you. If I suceed, I may survive.
For you - you remain in the same sinking boat regardless.

As for the stuff I cut, frankly, yes. We need a lot of luck, and need to be resourceful enough to capitalize on it if we hope to pull it off. Would you not agree?

Tons and tons of luck. Time. And everything else.

Your hopes aren't based on anything concrete and have a billion points of possible faliure. For your "plan" to work EVERYTHING - and I mean EVERYTHING - must roll in your favor.


You don't even have a proper rebuttal/replay to the stuff yo ucut.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 14 décembre 2011 - 09:06 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]DPSSOC wrote...
Except that the Lazarus Project wasn't complete.  It's pointed out by Jacob and Miranda that you weren't done yet.  Also I never said any of those projects failed, they got the desired results, but you'll note that next to none of the people who participated in those projects survived to reap the benefits of their work.  As for successful projects that don't have a massive casualty list care to offer a few?[/quote]

Shep is alive and in perfect health. Looks like a sucess to me. Also, we dont' know if everyone there died.

As far as researchers dying - if their work was documented (and it is), then it's not a faliure.



[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
So a picture of a reaper is suddenly "valubale chematics". Thet didn't look liek schematics to me.[/quote]

Hmm re-reading what I wrote and, surprise, I never once used to the word valuable, perhaps you should stop making up things to argue against, it'll save you a lot of wear and tear.  As for the image I see a detailed depiction of a Reaper from 3 perspectives (side, top, front) with annotations, and having spent many years making working drawings of various pieces of equipment that's generally how they open up.  You start with an overview of the object (perspectives and an axonometric representation) then explode it into component parts (showing how they connect) and follow it up with detail drawings of each component part. [/quote]

And you  can find a million similar images that give you a perspective without being actualy blueprints.
I cna find similar images for ships everywhere - form sci fi warships to real naval vessels - and none of htem are blueprints.

Also, why WOULD the reaeprs store the blueprints in their base computers? Harbie controled hte collectors directly and he's a super-sentient-AI.


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[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And the idioticy of claiming that reaper schematics is all we can get....laughable.
We can get so much more.[/quote]

Such as?[/quote]

Working examples of technology. Machinery used to build and manufacture parts. Things that dont' have blueprints in the databse.


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[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Tell me, if I data mine your conmputer, will I get the schematics for your conputer? Can I build it from scratch after that? No?[/quote]

Tell me, what data do you expect there to be in a facility with the sole purpose of constructing a Reaper.  My computer only has information that I need/want it to have on it.  If my computer's sole purpose was to run machinery to build other computers what exactly would you expect to find?

Seriously make your case for why there'd be information on that base pertaining to anything other than Reaper construction/Collector control.  You have my undivided attention.[/quote]

And why do you expect there will be detail blueprints of every nut and bolt there?

"DS-15 converter goes here" is different from having the actual plans AND facilities for that converter.

And you're making my own point here. You only store information that you absolutely need. Everything else is not stored.

I can get more out of a captured shipyard then I could get out of datamining ONE terminal. You dont' even have any idea how much we got.





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[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Cerberus is fighting the reapers in ME3. It's just they and Shep have different ideas on how to do it.
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Source?  I apologize for not taking your word for it but I've seen a lot of Cerberus supporters who can't differentiate what they want reality to be from what it actually is when it comes to Cerberus.  Pro-Council/Alliance people do the same thing but since Bioware's on their side they tend to be wrong less often.[/quote]

Source: the Leaks.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Cerberus supporters kinda remind me of National Socialists.

Fixed.

That too. 

No. Just one of those. I would use the short form of National Socialism, but that requires an N followed by an A, then a Z and finally, an I. Put them together on the BSN and you get this: ****

You folks remind me of  [CENSORED....VERY, VERY CENSORED].

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 14 décembre 2011 - 09:38 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some people are apparently still convinced the reapers aren't such a big trheat and we can defeat them with the power of our unity.

Let's see some numbers then.

The fight agaisnt Sovereign is a good indicator. The 5th fleet  had the advantage of surprise. Actually, the condition fo that battle was as favorable as they're ever gonna get - Sovereing was docked and busy with trainy got take over the Citadel - hence he didn't evade and he didn' t defend properly.
Every shot we fired hit the mark, and he wasn't able to bring his firepower to bear.
Aditionally, thanks to Sheapprd, his shields shut down prematurely. It was confirmed by the devs that Sovereign would have lasted a lot longer and done far more damage.

Now lets be generous and say the battle lasted only 30 seconds. This means that at a minimum a reaper can tanke a firepwoer of the entire fleet (including DN's) for 30 seconds (but in reality it's more).

Offensively, a repaer has 8 gimbaled gusn that can 1-shot cruisers and 1 gun that can 1-shot DN's.
LEt's again be generous and say that those guns are no faster than ours, so that's 5 seconds between shots.

Meaning under normal battlefield conditions, a reaper can fire off at a minimum of 30/5 = 6 salvos... Or take out 9*6 = 54 ships.
With each ship lost, the firepower directed at it diminishes, prolonging the time it would take for the shields to fall.
This is with the assumption every shot hits the reaper and it shields can normally last only 30 seconds.


So you might say 50-60 ships for one reaper? We can do this... Except you forget 2 important things.

1) indoctrination. You're gonna have indoctrinated fighting on reaper side. So there will be conventional ships added to the reaper fleet.

2) retreat and tanking.
Say you ambush a reaper with 2 full fleets. You open fire. Reaper retuns fire. After 15 seconds you lost a dozen ships, reapers shields are still up. After 30 seconds you lost 50 ships and his shields are still up, but abotu to fail (again, conservative estimate).
Reaper jumps out when it's shields are low. You cannot track it.

Result: reaper is fully functional and ruturns later with full shields.
You lost 40-50 ships. (And this is assuming the reaper is traveling alone.)
Reapers can tank and retreat. Your ships can't. If you're in weapons range you WILL loose ships. Reapers can avoid that.

This is without taking into account the reapers mobiltiy advantage (both tactical and strategic), the fact that they can shut down our mass relays, the fact that they can dictate where and when tehy fight (thus, having compelte initiative).
Also, withotu taking into acoutn that the shipyards will be the first to be hit - and it takes at least 3 years to build a DN (according to the codex numbers).


In short, they can inflict horrible losses (and crush your abiltiy to replace them), force you to fight under unfavorable conditions, turn your own people againt you, etc, etc...

The list of their advantages is just too damn long.

So when people say "we can beat them! We don't need the base!" I do have to wonder what they are basing it on. Because it ain't numbers.....

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 14 décembre 2011 - 10:55 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Cerberus supporters kinda remind me of National Socialists.

Fixed.

That too. 

No. Just one of those. I would use the short form of National Socialism, but that requires an N followed by an A, then a Z and finally, an I. Put them together on the BSN and you get this: ****

While we are the minority the supposed majority on here would rather see systematically deported and killed?

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 14 décembre 2011 - 07:43 .

[Mecha Tengu]

hey

hey

hey

has this thread been godwin'd yet?

[Subferro]

 First, I haven't seen anyone say we're going to beat them with "unity", or a personal favorite from a few pages ago "good intentions". But I guess it would hamper your argument if you couldn't put words in our mouth.

Second, how does the base change those numbers?

Or are you basing your argument on as much speculation as anyone else?