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[CerberusWarrior]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

 What will it take for GoW3 to surpass ME3? a Lot.

   

Oh Please ask anyone on the street who Marcus Fenix is they can tell you. Ask someone on the street who Shepard I bet no one can tell you . thats the difference from being a main stream thing that people know to being a character in a video game 

Who the deuce is Marcus Fenix?  Some character from GoW, right? 

(PS, the average person on the street has no bloody idea who Marcus Fenix or Shepard are.)

   


I bet tons do thanks to Microsoft's marketing of the Gears of War franchise . yeah its real easy to crap on Gears of War . It has sold more than the 2 ME Games combined and actually has a story to its 3 games . A lot more than what I can say about Bioware's so called sci fi franchise with a story so all over the place that its not even funny .  I disagree with that promos like the 1st gears trailer with the song Mad Wolrd in it made Gears popular as well .

[111987]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Combat rolls" are pathetic Hollywood bullcrap.

They still make the combat better, and more fun. It increase fluidity of combat.

[CerberusWarrior]

The Roadie Run makes Gears games so fun as well the combat roll . it took many years and 3 games for Bioware to learn why people play Gears games

[Oblivious]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Who cares about GOW when it comes to ME?

The two have nothing to do with each other. Trying to somehow "beat" unrelated games is just another way to make sure your own game sucks.

   

The Gears of War franchise is the standard that all TPS games will be measured by and frankly the Mass Effect games completely suck from a TPS shooting game play part . ME 3 has no chance in hell of beating Gears 3 in anything . 

Again, who cares?  ME and GoW are two different games, two different sorts of games.  ME shouldn't try to be or "beat" GoW any more than GoW should try to be or "beat" ME. 

In order to advance the industry games should look to others for inspiration. EVERY game should look to each other for inspiration on where to go. I honestly don't know how Epic can improve on Gears of War's gameplay, but I do know how they can improve the story. I don't know how Mass Effect could improve on its cutting-edge, top-tier cinematic presentation, bit I do know how it can improve on its gameplay (you know, the GAME part in VIDEO GAME!). Likewise Dragon Age should take a cue from the Witcher in terms of dark story and a cue from Bioware's older games (Kotor on backwards) in terms of gameplay.

If games don't try to "beat" one another then we'd be stuck playing DOOM 14 and Dune 8. My big deal with Call of Duty is they don't try to "beat" anyone, they keep releasing the same crap from 2007 over and over, year after year with the same graphics, gameplay, multiplayer, etc. The devs don't care, why should I?

[AlexXIV]

Well fact is I never played GoW. For the simple reason that it is labelled shooter, not RPG. And I was told by friends that for the most part it does not have much of a story at all but rather just missions lined up. I tested it a bit at a friend's and must say the combat as such is very nice and much more realistic than in ME. But ... ME is an RPG. GoW is not. I play RPGs. If you don't like ME because it is not GoW or wish ME would be more like GoW I can only say I strongly disagree. If ME had been like GoW to begin with I would never have bought it. Maybe more people would have bought it though. Maybe RPGs are a dying kind. I don't know. But I know a shooter is not enough for me to get into a game.

[111987]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well fact is I never played GoW. For the simple reason that it is labelled shooter, not RPG. And I was told by friends that for the most part it does not have much of a story at all but rather just missions lined up. I tested it a bit at a friend's and must say the combat as such is very nice and much more realistic than in ME. But ... ME is an RPG. GoW is not. I play RPGs. If you don't like ME because it is not GoW or wish ME would be more like GoW I can only say I strongly disagree. If ME had been like GoW to begin with I would never have bought it. Maybe more people would have bought it though. Maybe RPGs are a dying kind. I don't know. But I know a shooter is not enough for me to get into a game.

Wouldn't you like to combine the more fun gameplay of Gears with what makes Mass Effect great?

That's all anyone here is suggesting.

[AlexXIV]

111987 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well fact is I never played GoW. For the simple reason that it is labelled shooter, not RPG. And I was told by friends that for the most part it does not have much of a story at all but rather just missions lined up. I tested it a bit at a friend's and must say the combat as such is very nice and much more realistic than in ME. But ... ME is an RPG. GoW is not. I play RPGs. If you don't like ME because it is not GoW or wish ME would be more like GoW I can only say I strongly disagree. If ME had been like GoW to begin with I would never have bought it. Maybe more people would have bought it though. Maybe RPGs are a dying kind. I don't know. But I know a shooter is not enough for me to get into a game.

Wouldn't you like to combine the more fun gameplay of Gears with what makes Mass Effect great?

That's all anyone here is suggesting.

If it's possible, yes. If not, then I go with RPG elements over shooter or any other.

[TheIdiocyWizard]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

 What will it take for GoW3 to surpass ME3? a Lot.

   

Oh Please ask anyone on the street who Marcus Fenix is they can tell you. Ask someone on the street who Shepard I bet no one can tell you . thats the difference from being a main stream thing that people know to being a character in a video game 

Who the deuce is Marcus Fenix?  Some character from GoW, right? 

(PS, the average person on the street has no bloody idea who Marcus Fenix or Shepard are.)

   


I bet tons do thanks to Microsoft's marketing of the Gears of War franchise . yeah its real easy to crap on Gears of War . It has sold more than the 2 ME Games combined and actually has a story to its 3 games . A lot more than what I can say about Bioware's so called sci fi franchise with a story so all over the place that its not even funny .  I disagree with that promos like the 1st gears trailer with the song Mad Wolrd in it made Gears popular as well .

If you randomly asked someone off the street who Fenix or Shepard was, I'd think that the amount of people who could identify the characters would be the same. Also, I didn't find the story in the ME franchise "all over the place". Rather, I found it easy to follow, so I don't understand where your confusion is coming from.

Anyway, I like both the Gears series and the ME franchise, but when it comes down to it, I'd still rather play ME over GoW. Although the combat in ME1 was pretty bad, it still had a better story, which is what is more important to me. I can tell you that even if they didn't fix the game play in ME2, I'd still like ME more than GoW. So, I'm not really worried about ME3. The combat looks even better than ME2, so I think it will be, by far, the best in the series (as long as it really does bring back some RPG elements back from ME1.)

What it really comes down to, however, is personal preference. Everybody is going to react to ME3 differently and, maybe, some people will like GoW3 more. I don't think it really matters which one you like more, as long as you enjoy it.

Also, most of the people on this forum probably already think that ME3 will surpass GoW3, so what's the point of asking this question.

[Oblivious]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

 What will it take for GoW3 to surpass ME3? a Lot.

   

Oh Please ask anyone on the street who Marcus Fenix is they can tell you. Ask someone on the street who Shepard I bet no one can tell you . thats the difference from being a main stream thing that people know to being a character in a video game 

Who the deuce is Marcus Fenix?  Some character from GoW, right? 

(PS, the average person on the street has no bloody idea who Marcus Fenix or Shepard are.)

   


I bet tons do thanks to Microsoft's marketing of the Gears of War franchise . yeah its real easy to crap on Gears of War . It has sold more than the 2 ME Games combined and actually has a story to its 3 games . A lot more than what I can say about Bioware's so called sci fi franchise with a story so all over the place that its not even funny .  I disagree with that promos like the 1st gears trailer with the song Mad Wolrd in it made Gears popular as well .

Your preference for Gears is obviously clouding your view here. Probably only three types of people would know who Marcus Fenix is: 1. Fans of the series, 2. General avid video game fans, and 3. People in the industry.

And your opinion on the story is just that, opinion. Besides, you're kind of comparing apples to oranges.

That's like asking "Who's Master Chief?" I admit, I am currently in college and most (read: all) of the people I hang out with are 18-25 so we know everything about videogames. Though most of us are Sony and PC fanboys we still know about Marcus Fenix, Master Chief, Mario, Zelda, etc. I don't know about your age group but people 27 and under (guys and girls) tend to play and talk about video games regularly, it isn't a guilty pleasure it's a fact of life. Like watching movies or listening to music.

Point is: ask any young person out there who Marcus Fenix is and they'll tell you. Ask who Shepard is and they might tell you. Gears isn't something limited to just those 3 points or even the 360

[Killjoy Cutter]

If you want GoW-like stuff, go play GoW.

[111987]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm not so sure about that. I can agree that probably more would know Gears, but certainly not "any young person." No way. I'm in college, by the way, so I'm not just blowing smoke outta my tail.

I'd say that Halo is bigger than...pretty much any other combat game out there, other than the whole COD thing now. In addition, Halo has a very iconic character, which helps it's recognition level. I wonder if there's some kind of official poll on that, actually: Most well-known video game character. While I don't think Marcus would be very high, I DO think he/GOW would be above ME.

Mario, hands down. After that, probably Master Chief. Marcus Fenix and Shepard are likely not in the top 10.

[Killjoy Cutter]

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Combat rolls" are pathetic Hollywood bullcrap.

They still make the combat better, and more fun. It increase fluidity of combat.

What's "fun" about a facepalm and eyeroll inducing element being hardcoded into the combat?  Doing goofy acrobatics in a gunfight is just a good way to get shot. 

There ended up being a way to mod DA2 so that every other enemy didn't explode in a shower of gore from being stabbed in the arm... I wonder if there will be a way to mod out the "combat" rolls in ME3...

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 04 décembre 2011 - 07:12 .

[Il Divo]

111987 wrote...

Mario, hands down. After that, probably Master Chief. Marcus Fenix and Shepard are likely not in the top 10.

If anything, I'd say that most Nintendo characters would probably occupy the top ten. Maybe Sonic as well. Fenix and Shepard are both far too obscure for anyone who doesn't play video games regularly.

[Killjoy Cutter]

111987 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm not so sure about that. I can agree that probably more would know Gears, but certainly not "any young person." No way. I'm in college, by the way, so I'm not just blowing smoke outta my tail.

I'd say that Halo is bigger than...pretty much any other combat game out there, other than the whole COD thing now. In addition, Halo has a very iconic character, which helps it's recognition level. I wonder if there's some kind of official poll on that, actually: Most well-known video game character. While I don't think Marcus would be very high, I DO think he/GOW would be above ME.

Mario, hands down. After that, probably Master Chief. Marcus Fenix and Shepard are likely not in the top 10.

Mario, Sonic, Pac-Man, Samus, Master Chief. 

[111987]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Combat rolls" are pathetic Hollywood bullcrap.

They still make the combat better, and more fun. It increase fluidity of combat.

What's "fun" about a facepalm and eyeroll inducing element being hardcoded into the combat?  Doing goofy acrobatics in a gunfight is just a good way to get shot. 

Rolling from cover to cover is faster than standing up, walking over to the next piece of cover, and then squatting down.

Anyways, you seem to be one of those people who pointlessly criticises shooters because they are shooters. Your opinion will obviously not be dissuaded, so there's not much else to say.

[AlexXIV]

Il Divo wrote...

111987 wrote...

Mario, hands down. After that, probably Master Chief. Marcus Fenix and Shepard are likely not in the top 10.

If anything, I'd say that most Nintendo characters would probably occupy the top ten. Maybe Sonic as well. Fenix and Shepard are both far too obscure for anyone who doesn't play video games regularly.

There are I think 7 billion people in the world of which 5 or 6 million play Gears of War. the other ... um ... 7 billion ... probably know Shepard better. Because they think you are talking about Shepard from Stargate Atlantis. Anyhow, if you ask people 'on the street' it probably depends on what street. If you ask on the sesame street they probably won't know much about either.

[111987]

Il Divo wrote...

111987 wrote...

Mario, hands down. After that, probably Master Chief. Marcus Fenix and Shepard are likely not in the top 10.

If anything, I'd say that most Nintendo characters would probably occupy the top ten. Maybe Sonic as well. Fenix and Shepard are both far too obscure for anyone who doesn't play video games regularly.

Definitely. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Link, Zelda, Samus, Donkey Kong, Bowser...all of these guys are definitely in the top 10. You could even make arguments for things like 'Koopa' or 'Goomba'.

[Killjoy Cutter]

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Combat rolls" are pathetic Hollywood bullcrap.

They still make the combat better, and more fun. It increase fluidity of combat.

What's "fun" about a facepalm and eyeroll inducing element being hardcoded into the combat?  Doing goofy acrobatics in a gunfight is just a good way to get shot. 

Rolling from cover to cover is faster than standing up, walking over to the next piece of cover, and then squatting down.

Anyways, you seem to be one of those people who pointlessly criticises shooters because they are shooters. Your opinion will obviously not be dissuaded, so there's not much else to say.

No, I pointedly criticize games that include idiotic elements.

No one in real life rolls around from cover to cover -- because it does not work. 

(And if you're thinking of replying with "But no one in real life does ______ regarding any element of the ME setting, then you're missing the damn point completely.)

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 04 décembre 2011 - 07:19 .

[Iakus]

111987 wrote...

Rolling from cover to cover is faster than standing up, walking over to the next piece of cover, and then squatting down.

So, the rolling does help? 

[TheIdiocyWizard]

[/quote]

"No, I pointedly criticize games that include idiotic elements.

No one in real life rolls around from cover to cover."
[/quote]

Well, there's the Spetznaz.

Modifié par TheIdiocyWizard, 04 décembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[111987]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Combat rolls" are pathetic Hollywood bullcrap.

They still make the combat better, and more fun. It increase fluidity of combat.

What's "fun" about a facepalm and eyeroll inducing element being hardcoded into the combat?  Doing goofy acrobatics in a gunfight is just a good way to get shot. 

Rolling from cover to cover is faster than standing up, walking over to the next piece of cover, and then squatting down.

Anyways, you seem to be one of those people who pointlessly criticises shooters because they are shooters. Your opinion will obviously not be dissuaded, so there's not much else to say.

No, I pointedly criticize games that include idiotic elements.

No one in real life rolls around from cover to cover. 

There are a lot of things in Mass Effect that people don't do in real life.

Sometimes realism has to be sacrificed for the sake of fun, seamless gameplay. Otherwise, as soon as your shields are down, the next bullet ought to reduce you to a bloody pulp. Your squadmates would all suffer permanent deaths, Biotics could only launch 2 or 3 attacks before reaching exhausation, etc...

You see how silly the realism argument is?