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[111987]

Luc0s wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

The ME series has already surpassed GoW series. It's not just your everyday Third Person Shooter, it has RPG and exploration elements. Plus it actually  has a well written plot and interesting(non-archetype) characters. Whereas Gears of War has the most dull plot and bland characters that are clearly ripping off so many previous games and franchises.

Wow, your extreme bias is through the roof. What you say couldn't be more wrong though.

Mass Effect has a good plot? Don't make me laugh. Yes, Mass Effect 1 had a well-written plot and interesting non-archetype character. But Mass Effect 2? Mass Effect 2 doesn't eve have a real plot, and the characters are more archetype than Gears of War.

Gears of War 2 and 3 both have a (way) better plot than Mass Effect 2.

And the characters in Mass Effect 2? They're way more archetypical than Gears's characters. How can you look at Miranda and Jacob and say they aren't cliché archetypes? Same can be said about Jack. Even Tali has become somewhat of an cliché archetype in ME2.


Please, get real and take off those fanboy/girl glasses.

I agree that Gears 2 had a better plot than ME2, but Gears 3 didn't have a better plot than ME2. It was alright but it relied way too much on supplemental materials (like the books and comics) to fully appreciate everything, especially the new squadmates and Anvil Gate. The ending was a huge DEM, which was very disappointing, and almost none of the big questions that were supposed to have been answered were (i.e. origins of Locut, Locust Queen, Adam Fenix, etc...).

Don't get me wrong, it was very entertaining and fairly well-written, but the story was not way better, or even better than ME2's, in my opinion.

[Bcuz]

Simple.
Have a story that has more depth than beating gods to death for a reason that long since stopped being reasonable.
*trollface.jpg*

Modifié par Bcuz, 02 décembre 2011 - 01:31 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Lol @ people who think GoW had plot and good gameplay.

In-arguably the only thing that franchise did was bring the term TPS to light, one loudmouthed obnoxious XBL kid at a time. Which in and of itself is misnomer. People really mean to tout Third Person COVER Shooter, which, regardless of release dates, R6: V (ironically a ****ty excuse for a R6 game) did scores better. And as for "plot", no. They could've saved themselves the money and just renamed SP to permanent horde mode everywhere.

Gameplay wise, the fluidity in GoW is still better, because they actually made a dedicated TPS with the UE3. Who knows what BioWare was doing when they made the iteration of UE3 that was the ME1 engine. And plot is pretty much incomparable. Neither really had one.

[Gatt9]

Alex_SM wrote...

I still think Fallout 2 is better that 99% of games of this generation.

You're absolutely right.

The really sad part is,  Fallout 2 offers more RPG elements,  better RPG elements,  more choice,  more consequence,  more strategy,  than just about everything in the 10 years since...

...And theoretically I can run it on my cellphone today.  Good to know all of those technological improvements did so much for the evolution of games,  when they can't offer a fraction of the quality of something that will now run on a cellphone.

[robarcool]

111987 wrote...



 The ending was a huge DEM, which was very disappointing, and almost none of the big questions that were supposed to have been answered were (i.e. origins of Locut, Locust Queen, Adam Fenix, etc...).

Exactly what I think of GOW3. I hope that ME3 doesn't finish with such a pathetic ending.

[Drone223]

robarcool wrote...

111987 wrote...



 The ending was a huge DEM, which was very disappointing, and almost none of the big questions that were supposed to have been answered were (i.e. origins of Locut, Locust Queen, Adam Fenix, etc...).

Exactly what I think of GOW3. I hope that ME3 doesn't finish with such a pathetic ending.

Well you'll proberly be disapiontted, a head on attack against the Reaper's won't be enough, even will all the galaxies ships combined, remember what Hackett said at the end of Arrival "It took multiple fleets and the DA to bring Soveriegen (sp) down and that was just one Reaper" The same could be said about humanity in GOW, they just don't have the number's to defeat the Locust and Lambert head on

Modifié par Drone223, 02 décembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[GuardianAngel470]

All ME2 has to do is have any form of story worth consuming all by itself. If you took all the gameplay, all the graphics, and all the multiplayer out of Gears of War what are you left with? A pathetic attempt at a story with a cast of characters that are two dimensional and lack any sort of depth.

If you take the guns, the powers, the dialog wheel, and the graphics out of Mass Effect what are left with? Garrus, Tali, Liara, Ashley, Kaiden, Joker, Legion, Anderson, and a vast cast of characters that are interesting, dynamic, and engaging. The story, while not original, is well executed and the depth of the game world is significantly more than that of the Gears of War franchise.

But then, it's an idiotic comparison to begin with. In fact, this particular subject has been addressed previously by yours truly.

Gears of War plays, from the hub worlds to the combat to the dialog, nothing like Mass Effect.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 02 décembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[Il Divo]

jreezy wrote...

What if scenarios like this aren't good arguments, at all. What you seem to be arguing here is: "Any game stripped of it's fun factor would make it a bad game". My answer to this argument...Duh. 

You bring up a great point, and I don't disagree with it from the perspective of having fun in a videogame. However, I think the point that GuardianAngel (to some extent) is trying to get at is; Gears itself is not telling the best story in addition to its gameplay.

I assume, judging by his comparison, if you stripped the graphics/gameplay from Mass Effect 1 or 2, you might still be left with an intriguing tale/dialogue/whatever. I can't really say whether I agree or disagree with his assessment of Gears being good or bad, but I think it's an important point to consider that games should be striving to provide us with more than good gameplay if we ever want them validated as an art form. In that sense, if we remove the gameplay from Gears and can't still find some enjoyment from the narrative, it's failed in its task.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:20 .

[xCirdanx]

Nothing.

ME3 will never reach that numbers.

Gears of War is a mediocre, casual, overhyped, crappy shooter, and that stuff appeals to the masses. *shrug* people are sheeps, no offense to sheeps.(yes the animal) I enjoy being a "sheep" sometimes, GoW isn´t even that bad, but it isn´t good or orignal either.

Also: "Then the new gen of hardware hits, DX12 becoems standard" ehm that is allready here, but you won´t get that on consoles. The new hardware i mean, and DX12 standart? Dream on, most games don´t even support DX11. Escpecialy not console games. Thats a fact.

ME lives, or lived for being rather original and more realstic (think babylon 5, rather than star trek/wars) and doing a good job of being a shooter and a RPG. Now, there are many people who think that it is a horrible shooter or/and a horrible RPG. The truth however is, that there are not many games like this. Deus Ex (1!)is a master piece, but thats it. I can´t even think of another great shooter/rpg. Not to mention that it was clear that it was a triology and we could import savegames (longtime commitment for many fans).

All those things pretty much execlude the "i log in and wanna shot something dead people".(not that there is something wrong with this) I hardly doubt that a lot of GoW/BF/COD/CS/UT etc. players are ME players. I think thats a minority.

[Major Tao]

 My re-phrasing of Dasher1010's orginal question; "What Will it Take for ME3 to Surpass GoW3?" is the following. 

"How would Mass Effect be able to exceed the bloody, gory combat executions and chainsawing, and explosions that take place in Gear of War 3 ?"

Yes, chain sawing Locust grubs is a guiltless pleasure...and it has not gotten old yet ! 

First a couple observations...
I agree that the two games are very different and focus on different elements.

Of course I'm a tremendous fan of Mass Effect and enjoy the characters, the interactions, the choices and so many other details. 

I happen to enjoy playing Gears of War 3 multiplayer - and it's a real challenge to get to level 50 in Horde mode. 
It's pure combat and squad tactics.  There's just a little squad banter ( which makes the interactions even funnier ! )

For example:  When Cole tries to reload his Lancer...and it jams up on him... he exclaims....
."..OH No...... OH HELL NO !!!"   (  with a worried voice tone that cracks me up !  ) 


Now...here's my bloody, visceral imagination set loose Mass Effect style !!! 
 Let's call it... EXTREME MASS EFFECT !!!  


Scene 1:   Liara is tied to a chair surrounded by Cerberus goons...and TIM comes strolling in...

TIM:  "Well now... Heh heh heh !   If it isn't Liara T'soni tied up and at my mercy !  
         Miss T'soni, we're going to interrogate you mercilessly, then my researchers will perform some outrageously sick and twisted experiments on you - in the name of science of course ( Not revenge ) ... before turning you over to our Reaper Overlords..... -and THEN YOU'LL BE SORRY !    Yes, you'll be so sorry you and Shepard ever dared to cross me !"

Liara:   "You seem to have forgotten one thing...."

TIM:   "Oh...and what would that be ?"

Liara:    "I don't need a weapon to RIP YOU APART !!!"  

( Liara biotically rips TIM into two halves, frees herself and proceeds to paint the room with the Cerberus goons. )
Just as she finishes.... Shepard and squad come running up... )

Shepard:    "Liara !  We're here to.....Um Wow - what a mess !
                    ....I was going to say rescue you.   Looks like you freed yourself."

Liara:    "Yes." 

Shepard:   "Where's the Illusive Man ?"

Liara:    "All over the place...I think you're standing on his reproductive sac.....right there..."

Grunt:   "Ha !    - Okay who wants lunch ?"


( Of course the Players would have to be able to do the Biotic move: "Ripping you a New One" on a regular basis. ) 


Scene 2:   Garrus and Grunt are comparing notes on their new gore powers....

Garrus:   "Well my favorite moments are when I line up a perfect headshot. 
                 With the right velocity and rounds...why a head just explodes.... it's Soooo satisfying...! 
                Now' I'm experimenting with delayed explosive rounds....a whole body can be made to explode ! 
                 And  you know what the best part is... ?

Grunt:     "No."

Garrus:    "The look in their eyes when they know times up !"

Grunt:     "HA !   
                But I prefer my newly evolving power. 
                It's like....when I get enraged enough...I become this unstoppable force and I feel like I can charge through 
                 any foe ! "

Garrus:   "Grunt - the Juggarnaut"

Grunt:      "Exactly !  Remember - we were surrounded by those Reaper creatures...and someone said                                            something about my mother - and the whole world went RED.  
                   So I charged and smashed the whole group into Reaper bits."
                   Yeah I blew big holes in them with my shotgun to charge through..." 

Garrus:     "SEE it ?   Heck I was wearing it !   
                    I really liked the part where you charged into that Giant Mutant Squid thing
                     and blew it apart from the inside ! 
                    I'm still trying to get the stink out of my socks and armor !" 
                   Oh yeah, and it was Shepard who said that about your mother.
                   I think she knew it would set you off...."  

Grunt:        "RHAAAAAAA  !" 

Garrus:      "Oh CRAP !" 
      



Scene 3:   Tali and Mordin are comparing their new combat powers...

Tali:     "Dr. Mordin...just how does that new Incinerate ability of yours  work ?"

Mordin:    "It's a trade secret my dear...but it's based on a Terran weapon called a "Fuel Air Explosive"

Tali:        "I was very impressed... we were surrounded by those large brutish....things....
                 and you turned them into exploding torches !  I didn't know our enemies could melt like that...!" 

Mordin:    "Hmm, yes.  Unexpected combustability in our new foes.  Need more samples.
                  Please - tell me about your new combat drone innovation."

Tali:           "Well it's more of a trap...but once my drone is deployed...any enemy that steps into range can become                        enclosed within a net of nano wires.   The net closes and the enemy is diced on a molecular level."  

Modin:       "I noticed it works even on armored opponents...and spectacularly so on flesh and blood creatures.
                    The fountain of blood effect....was that intentional ?"

Tali:          "Thats a side effect of the net constricting. Because I'm using a small mass effect field to close the net
                     it forces fluids up and outward - that's why those kills were so.... spectacular."
       

Players would be able to use these powers in the game and multi-player in Mass Effect Extreme.
  And of course....they would comment on the powers being used...and the gory results !  

I look forward to the improved combat system in Mass Effect 3....and so many other new things. 

[DeathDragon185]

STOP COMPARING Mass Effect to Gears of War. the only thing they have in common is the battle system THATS it. W T **** is wrong with you people?

[Ghost Lightning]

ME1 surpasses all three GoW games IMHO, even with it's horrible combat gameplay. So yeah.

[DiebytheSword]

jreezy wrote...

xCirdanx wrote...
*snip*

I stopped taking you seriously after the first few sentences. I'm not particularly fond of misguided elitist opinions.

How do you log into the BSN daily then

[DiebytheSword]

jreezy wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

jreezy wrote...

xCirdanx wrote...
*snip*

I stopped taking you seriously after the first few sentences. I'm not particularly fond of misguided elitist opinions.

How do you log into the BSN daily then

Give me some credit with putting up with some of them at least.

Granted!  You sir now have one internet to use as you will.

[alex90c]

 

Drone 223 wrote.

 ^Then I'm proberly saying it wrong
 
GOW, CoD, Halo will sell millions, people don't like that sort of audeince 

Funny that considering DA:O and the ME games have sold millions too. BSN just love to make exceptions though I suppose?

Il Divo wrote...

Probably because association with Gears will allow the "Mass Effect is moving away from its roots" position to gain strength, despite the series having been heavily inspired by Gears even in ME1. That was a prettyimportant point pushed by some regarding the inventory/lack of RPG mechanics in ME2. I can appreciate that perspective, but I still consider the combat in ME2 to be absolutely superior to ME1, so I don't have much room for complaint on that point. If being an RPG/tps hybrid results in more gameplay similar to ME1, perhaps the greater emphasis on tps elements is for the best.   

Well ME was already a TPS with RPG thrown in, plus a Bioware story and characters, so its roots were close to Gears anyway, when it came to gameplay, it's just ME1 and ME2's is half-arsed in comparison to Gears (as much as I love the ME games, ME1's combat was boring and after playing Gears, ME2's just sucks in comparison). Give GOW choices and NPC interaction, and boom you've got Mass Effect on Sera.

Or should that be "and grind" 

...

never mind 

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...


The ME series has already surpassed GoW series. It's not just your everyday Third Person Shooter, it has RPG and exploration elements. Plus it actually  has a well written plot and interesting(non-archetype) characters. Whereas Gears of War has the most dull plot and bland characters that are clearly ripping off so many previous games and franchises.

No it's not your every day TPS, it's actually worse then those when it comes to its combat. Saying "ME series are RPGs" as an argument is just a waste of time since Gears doesn't even try to be one (which also makes your exploration one a bit redundant, yet funnily Gears has larger maps), and apart from the whole DEM business (inb4 anyone says it's not, I don't mean it literally, you all understand what I actually mean) at the end of every single game they all I thought had quite decent plots, and you're BSing if you thought they had bland characters, Cole Train is amazing.

Funny how you say it's ripping off other franchises considering that's exactly what the ME series does.

Gnusmas_THX wrote...

 Lol @ people who think GoW had plot and good gameplay.

In-arguably the only thing that franchise did was bring the term TPS to light, one loudmouthed obnoxious XBL kid at a time. Which in and of itself is misnomer. People really mean to tout Third Person COVER Shooter, which, regardless of release dates, R6: V (ironically a ****ty excuse for a R6 game) did scores better. And as for "plot", no. They could've saved themselves the money and just renamed SP to permanent horde mode everywhere.

Gameplay wise, the fluidity in GoW is still better, because they actually made a dedicated TPS with the UE3. Who knows what BioWare was doing when they made the iteration of UE3 that was the ME1 engine. And plot is pretty much incomparable. Neither really had one.

So you say GOW has suckish gameplay and then you praise its fluidity. Right. ME and GoW have very similar gameplay since they're both TPSs, GOW's is just more refined and I'm sorry, but it's better. Also, its plot was fairly decent, and if you don't think you were swarmed with enemies in ME, then that's just BS, the only difference is GoW actually has an intelligent AI whereas especially ME2 had NONE.

Will answer the rest later.