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[PsychicHammer]

I'm not sure which way to go. Seeing as there are a few elemental 2H weapons in Act 3, it would seem a wise choice to utilize their ability to ignore armor, essentially buffing dps - unless I got something wrong, if so, an axplanation would be appreciated. I'm playing Arelex's Mach-5, just so ya know.

However: Some of the best weapons deal physical dmg - namely Empress' Point (which is the best 2H weapon for Act 2, unless you complete MotA and get hold of Dragon's Breath, especially for fire-weak enemies) and Dogs of War. DoW have the level-up property, so at some point their dps NUMBERS will start outclassing things like Bloom or Celebrant. It has two rune slots, and some very nice additional properties as well. Also, there are some top-notch end game items that buff phsycial dmg (like Ser Maura's Gauntlets). 

Still, I'm pretty sure that elemental weapons are a way to go, but the doubts remain.

So, my question is - is it better to put PLR (a side note: I HATE not been able to reapply the runes, DA:O was so much better in this aspect) in Dogs since it levels up, Celebrant, since you can get some good +% spirit dmg (Smite), or Bloom, since I get pissed when I have to switch weps cause those damn shades are spirit-immune or maybe even use Dragon's Breath/Sundering cause there are a ton of +% dmg items for those (Smite and Ring of the Ferryman for example), give PLR to Varric and let him do work?

And pleasy, no cheesy stuff: "play 1H cause its ultimately more powerful". If I'd wanted to know about 1handers, I  wouldn't be asking about 2handers, damn it!

Modifié par Scott_Press, 01 décembre 2011 - 05:30 .

[Davillo]

I don't know man I switch between the Spirit sword, ice axe, fire axe and the empress point constantly depending on what enemy I'm facing so I would just suggest keeping at least 2 ele weapons and empress point.

[ThePhoenixKing]

I'm probably not the best person to ask about this stuff, as when I first glance at a weapon, my eye immediately goes to DPS and +mana/stamina. That being said, I'd go with either the Empress' Point (which is really overpowered, like most of the Item Pack stuff, IMO) or Celebrant. Again, just my reasonably uninformed opinion.

[Quething]

Elemental weapons are always, always better, if you're willing to constantly switch (generally between Celebrant and Sundering you'll have everything covered, but keep Bloom around for rage demons). If you're not willing to switch constantly and don't mind losing a bit of potential damage vs bosses, you generally want just Bloom (all the important or remotely difficult bosses are weak to it, it's easier to get +cold than +spirit or +electric, and I can't think of anything in Act III that's immune to it, so no annoying shade nonsense... plus the slowing from a heavy cold hit is one of the better force effects). The elemental weps are all lvl 24 (apart from Dragon's Breath, which is I think current +2 or +4), but they'll do more damage than a level 28 Dogs of War against elementally-weak enemies and the same amount of damage against heavily-armored enemies (or in Celebrant's case, high-DR enemies), and that's before you get into the fact that it's so much easier to pump cold or fire damage than physical.

That said, if you're running Mach-5 it's not like you really need the advantage. If you have a lot of +crit or +phys on hand you can just pop the lyrium rune in Dogs (if you're completionist and going to finish the game around lvl 28) or Empress (if you're likely to finish at lvl 24ish or less) and go to town. They both deal brutal damage, look cool, and perform consistently against every foe you meet, and like you said, if you were worried about being 100% optimal you'd be using Glandivalis.

Modifié par Quething, 02 décembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[PsychicHammer]

Thanks for the opinions, I always appreciate a different point of view.

generally between Celebrant and Sundering you'll have everything covered

I also thought that way. Switching is not a problem since I have the ever-awesome weapon swap mod. I was thinking about putting PLR in Celebrant and use it, switching to another weapon is necessary, but I'm not sure I'll have the money to buy Sundering - bought Puzzle Ring and Etched Ring in Act 2 - these plus Empress' Point with RoS plus DLC chestpiece (the that gives +13% crit chance) equals roughly 60% crit chance. So I was thinking to switch between Celebrant/Bloom and then Celebrant/Dragon's Breath when I get it. Smite will give me bonuses to both spirit and fire dmg. And Celebrant is looted from either Beacon or Gifre, these guys are cold-immune, so Bloom is not to be used in this battle - I guess DoW will take care of it.

it's easier to get +cold than +spirit or +electric

I'm not sure that's correct. I don't remember anything beside Cold Runes that buffs cold dmg, whereas there's some good spirit and electricity gear, like Smite, Ring of the Ferryman. Unless I missed sth.

[mr_afk]

yeah, there's robes of unblemished cleanliness which gives +24% to cold/fire/electricity.
this means the highest +%elemental damage belongs to fire and electricity as they also get the ring of the ferryman (and fire gets eye of blue and the generic mage gear)
spirit misses out on the buff from the robes which makes cross-class itemisation less effective.

i found sundering to be pretty amazing, but it doesn't have rune slots. i haven't really tried out dragon's breath though, so maybe an fire/electric elemental setup will work well (though the PLR will still have nowhere to go).

runeslots are pretty much the main reason why bloom and dogs of war are probably the best spot for the PLR and thus the best 2H weapons.


also, generally speaking, if you have the coin four fingered eddie's lucky talisman will be better than smite etc, and the graven circle will be better than the etched ring of the twins.
the seven deadly cinch makes a pretty nice belt as well.

[PsychicHammer]

I was considering Eddie's Talisman, but I'm still in Act 2 and I'm not sure if I'll be able to afford it. As far as belts go, Seven Deadly Cinch is good - until you start Legacy or MotA. I think there's a belt called Bloodstained Girdle in Legacy (8% crit chance) and there's the Master Hunter's sth belt in MotA (8% crit chance, 6% attack speed) and they're both free. I'm starting to think I should just give PLR to Varric and rely on Haste, Barrage and Fervor with Hawke.

So, another question comes up: is it better to go with crit chance/dmg accessories or + % elemental dmg accessories. In terms of + elemental, Dragon's Breath and Sundering outclass anything else (save for enemies weak to cold/spirit) thanks to RouC, Ring of the Ferryman, Smite and such. Personally, I suspect that crit chance/dmg setup would be better overall, but I'm just an average player and don't know that much about the game. 

That's just speculations - I've already bought the Twins Ring and the Puzzle Ring, I certainly won'y be able to buy the either RouC or Ring of the Ferryman.

Also, with Berserker mainly auto-attacking, the twenty-something % attack speed bonus is effectively a dps buff, same as Haste, right? So I'm back at the starting point thinking that Celebrant/Bloom seems a wise choice. In that case, considering just these two - if I use only crit chance/dmg gear, with no elemental buffs, which one is better? Spirit is said to be the most effective element in terms of dmg but Bloom has one more rune slot, opening a space for RoD or RoS.

Modifié par Scott_Press, 02 décembre 2011 - 10:35 .

[mr_afk]

yeah i suppose it just depends how late-game you go into the dlc. if you go later (higher level) you'll get better stuff, but you'll also have less of the game to use it for.
if you save the dlc till near the end (in order to get the highest levelled gear) the seven deadly cinch is a pretty cheap (only 20 something gold) accessory - which can then be passed onto a companion if necessary. but if you're struggling for coin maybe you shouldn't.

it's possible to get all the accessories if you have all the dlc and use runes of fortune. act 3 is just loaded with coin.

in any case, the best setup is a mix; generally getting +%elemental from robes/ring and getting +%crit from amulet/belt/ring.
this is to do with the proportional change in damage modifiers.
i can't be bothered doing the actual number crunching though, but the general principle is that the more damage modifiers the better.

the PLR does make a considerable difference (even though proportionally speaking the +%speed isn't that much). This is because hawke is the most powerful and generally you will be controlling him/her - so anything that makes hawke kill things faster and more efficiently will be better than simply increasing the party dps...
up to you though.

if you have the second item pack, there's some pretty awesome crit chance modifers in there. If you can't afford the rouc you're not missing out on too much

Modifié par mr_afk, 03 décembre 2011 - 05:04 .

[PsychicHammer]

I've finally made a decision - gonna use Celebrant with PLR and have a backup weapon to deal with immunities. I also think I'll stick with the dlc chestpiece (I do have both item packs), Puzzle Ring, Twins, Seven Deadly Cinch/Master Hunter's belt and Smite, or, if I can afford it, Eddie's Talisman.

Anyways, Mach-5 kills stuff so fast I suppose a bit of dmg here or there doesn't really matter. Thanks for the help though.

EDIT: CELEBRANS it is! It's ungodly powerful . And it looks cool, unlike the ever-ugly Edge of Night. Unless you can mod the game to make it look differently, like Arelex. I can't. 

Modifié par Scott_Press, 04 décembre 2011 - 05:32 .

[Quething]

My mistake on the electric, I always forget the Magus even exists so I tend not to buy Ring of the Ferryman.

As for the hideous Edge of Night, I can upload a .uti file for you if you like, it's about thirty seconds of work. What do you want it to look like? Axe or sword?

Modifié par Quething, 04 décembre 2011 - 09:59 .

[PsychicHammer]

Hey, thanks for your offer. If it really is not a problem, the DA:O Starfang model:

w_lsw_ls107a

always looked cool to me. If I remember correctly, that's also what Arelex used in his vids.

NOTES: I play PC. Does that make a difference? And, tbh, I sometimes have difficulties with navigating through Microsoft Word. The file's of no use to me if I don't know how to apply it. And I really don't. I am a total noskill when it comes to 'computer' things. I know how to play my games and send e-mails. So if you don't feel like writing out a detailed step-by-step instruction for me on how to make it work, I will totally understand haha   

EDIT: Btw, Celebrant + PLR is an absolute beast of a weapon. I carry Bloom and Dragon's Breath around for immunities. Puzzle Ring + Eddie' Talisman + Master Wyvern Hunter's Belt + Valiant Aura + Twins Ring... well, let;s just say it's a lot of crit chance. Knowing that, I risked taking bugged Sunder on lvl 24 to get some Chain Reactions going. I'm still around pretty high ~50% crit chance. 

EDIT2: I've just realised I've been spelling the sword's name Celebrans instead of Celebrant lol. It's that way in my polish version of the game. 

Modifié par Scott_Press, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:50 .

[Davillo]

Scott_Press wrote...

Hey, thanks for your offer. If it really is not a problem, the DA:O Starfang model:

w_lsw_ls107a

always looked cool to me. If I remember correctly, that's also what Arelex used in his vids.

NOTES: I play PC. Does that make a difference? And, tbh, I sometimes have difficulties with navigating through Microsoft Word. The file's of no use to me if I don't know how to apply it. And I really don't. I am a total noskill when it comes to 'computer' things. I know how to play my games and send e-mails. So if you don't feel like writing out a detailed step-by-step instruction for me on how to make it work, I will totally understand haha   

EDIT: Btw, Celebrant + PLR is an absolute beast of a weapon. I carry Bloom and Dragon's Breath around for immunities. Puzzle Ring + Eddie' Talisman + Master Wyvern Hunter's Belt + Valiant Aura + Twins Ring... well, let;s just say it's a lot of crit chance. Knowing that, I risked taking bugged Sunder on lvl 24 to get some Chain Reactions going. I'm still around pretty high ~50% crit chance. 

EDIT2: I've just realised I've been spelling the sword's name Celebrans instead of Celebrant lol. It's that way in my polish version of the game. 

Hey brah just get the sunder fix mood dude its so easy to install, you just have to drop it in the right directory and the instructions are there too.

Pozdro!

[PsychicHammer]

Would it be rude of me to ask for a link? Honestly, I had no idea sth like that even existed.

drop it in the right directory

Which is the right one? I'm ballz at this stuff, lawlz.

Thanks for letting me know anyway.

[frustratemyself]

@ Scott_Press Any mod you download from DA Nexus should have a readme file or instructions in the description on how to install it. Most mods you drop in the override folder in My Documents/BioWare/Dragon Age 2/packages/override unless the readme says otherwise.

[PsychicHammer]

frustratemyself

Thanks a lot. I'll give it a try when I get some free time.

EDIT: Looks like it's working. Heroic Aura-ed Hawke has a nice 70% crit chance. Cheers!

Modifié par Scott_Press, 06 décembre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Quething]

Edge of night, Starfang mesh.

Sorry about the delay, I was offline for a few days. Glad the Sunder mod is working for you, too

[PsychicHammer]

Dropped it in the override folder, doesn't work. Should I put somewhere else?

[Quething]

No, that's where it goes. Hmn.

Try this one. Also, do you have any other mods installed apart from the bugfix?

Modifié par Quething, 09 décembre 2011 - 01:42 .

[PsychicHammer]

Nope, no other mods. Though if I knew anything about modding, I'd change quite a few things haha. 

EDIT: Stil doesn't work in my already-existing saves. Should I start a new game for it to start working?  I'll try it. I've been planing a new mage anyway. Maybe that'll do the trick. 

Hey, it's not big deal. I just thought if sth could be done about it, I'd do it. Whatever. I'm done with warriors, at least for now. And if I could stand the dumb looks of the Gelgenig's chestpiece then Edge isn't really that bad lawlz. Thanks for trying though.

Modifié par Scott_Press, 09 décembre 2011 - 09:27 .

[Ghost_x16]

Dogs of War is the best two handed weapon at the end of the game (ending up at level 28), I never switch weapons.. don't really know why, I guess I just can't be bothered to:O