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Our writers prompt is -

Write something that includes :

Wine
An old woman,
Snow,
A magical ring
A backpack


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I remember that day as if it were only yesterday.

It was in the middle of one of the coldest winters Ferelden had ever experienced.  The heavy downfall of snow did not deter me, in hindsignt I wish it had.

The tiny brass bell tinkled when I opened the door and entered the Wonders of Thedas, and again when it closed. Informing the proprietor a customer had entered or left the shop. Diffused light invaded the room via amber stained glass panels. Pungent aromas of exotic incenses spiced the air inside, so strongly, my eyes began to water slightly.  A puddle of water, had formed in the doorway from where customers had shaken their clothes free of snow.

A tall thin male stood patiently waiting to serve me, behind a large ornately carved wooden counter.
I slowly and confidently walked over to him and introduced myself. He greeted me with a polite smile and asked me how he could be of assistance.

“I am a collector of fine enchanted products, an eccentric hobby of mine,” I told him. “Would you have anything amongst your stock that I may be interested in purchasing, money is no object.”

“I do indeed madam. They have been in my possession for many years; most of my customers have no use for enchanted items, as they often have the ability to enchant things themselves,” he replied. He left the room and returned with three items: A tall green coloured glass bottle, a silver ring, and a large dusty backpack. “Feel free to examine them, madam,” he said.

I carefully examined each item, employing my highly developed sense of discernment.

The shopkeeper told me: 
 
The bottle contained an elixir of everlasting youth, believed to have come from the winepress of the gods.

The ring, was a Ring of Teleport, all that was required was to picture where it was you wanted to go and rub it firmly with your other hand, and you find yourself translocated in an instant. He warned me to be careful as it had only one use per day, and needed time to recharge, so wherever you travelled, you are prepared to stay at least a day.

The backpack was the most intriguing of them all. Created for the adventurer in mind, it has an endless amount of storage space, while remaining as light as its original weight, perfect for the storage of my entire collection of enchanted items.

I had to have them all of course; 500 sovereigns he wanted, a bargain at any price I believed and so I paid him and left.

I was so elated with my extraordinary find that day, until I realised that the reason the backpack would store an infinite amount and remain weightless, was because anything you placed inside it disappeared, never to be seen again. Naturally, I didn’t realise this fact until I had placed my entire collection inside it, one day I went to test the ring and I could not retrieve it, or anything else I had put inside.

I was furious. I immediately went back to the Wonders of Thedas and the man was no longer there.  I was told he had left to work elsewhere only a few days prior.

I am not expecting ever to see him again, but if I do, he will be very sorry, I promise you. I suspect the bag was of his design, and he is the only one that can access the goods placed inside it. Therefore, he not only got my money, but my entire collection of fine enchanted items. The beast!

When one is as old as I am, you would think you would be a little more wary of charlatans like him. My biggest regret though is that I didn’t drink the elixir of everlasting youth.

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I forgot to say - CONCRIT is most welcome - I am a learner writer, so peoples perceptions, comments are invaluable to me right now.

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Modifié par Tryynity, 13 janvier 2012 - 11:02 .


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For the Prompt
Wine
An Old Woman
Snow
A Magical Ring
A Backpack



A fresh View of the World


      She brought her hand to her forehead to shield the sun from her eyes. For the past two days a blizzard had closed the mountain pass making travel next to impossible. The others with her had stayed at their camp a few hundred yards away, but she wanted to get a closer look at the peak of the mountain. Since leaving the Circle to join the wardens and their intrepid band, Neria Surana was seeing Ferelden from a different perspective for the first time in many years. She had seen these mountains in the distance, but now to stand at the base of one filled her with wonderment. She inhaled deeply taking in the freshness of the air in the new snow. The salty air of the Circle Tower at Lake Calenhad always smelled of dead fish. That was a pungent odor that although she had gotten use to while living in the Tower she now never wanted to smell again.

     The cold was not bitter. She had chosen to wear her traditional two piece robes under a leather coat. She wasn’t sure now why she had dressed this way except that she had always done so. Her former lover, Alim, had always preferred she wore her robes as apposed to the bulkier one piece style that had come into fashion lately. Her body was toned and tanned, and she was always proud of the way she looked. Alim was dead now, killed by the demons and abominations that had run amok in the Tower before the wardens had come to save the mages. She looked at her hand shielding her eyes…looked at the ring on her finger. It was a gift from Alim he had given her the night before the demon attack. She thought back to their dinner alone together which was rare for mages in the Tower. As she was drinking her wine he had given the ring to her as a token of his affection. Mages were not allowed to marry, but still this was as close as they could come to that holy bond. A tear rolled down her cheek as she remembered the way he smiled telling her one of the tranquil had enchanted the ring so that no matter where she was he could find her and she could also find him. He then showed her the matching ring on his finger. The memory seemed so long ago and yet so fresh. She closed her eyes and held her hand next to her heart. If only Alim could be with her now.

     The wind picked up bringing a chill and dragging her from her remembrance of happier times. She pulled off her backpack to grab the hat she had packed inside. An old elven woman in a village not more than a day away had given it to her as a gift. “You will need something to cover those ears when you get into the cold air of the mountain,” the woman had said. She placed the hat snuggly on her head covering her ears and looked back up at the summit. Suddenly she felt alone in an immensely large world. She sighed deeply. As much she wanted Alim with her she knew it was not possible. She turned to look back at the camp below and the smoke from the fires. She journeyed with knew people now and finding her place within their group was her new primary focus.

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:34 .


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A question : -

I made the decision to have my Dalish speak in broken english for the first part of the story after she left her clan.

In her head & when she speaks with other Dalish it is fluent english rather than Dalish - simply because most readers dont know Dalish, I was thinking it illustrated the difference in origin when with shems/city elves etc.

Is there any other way that people would address this in their writing?

Or have what Ive done enough.

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Modifié par Tryynity, 23 janvier 2012 - 06:23 .


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I've recently read a comic book - La Perdida where the American girl goes to Mexico. In the first half of the book, she can't speak Spanish, so everything that is said in Spanish is in <brackets>, while things that are said in English are written in normal way. In the second half of the book, when she learn Spanish and most of the things are said in this language, it's written in normal way. And of course, while she's learning it, she speaks in broken Spanish and makes some funny mistakes.

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Some authors use different fonts for different languages, but I don't know if sites like FF.net are amenable to that...

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Hmmmm - thanks guys that gives me something to think about. Both good ideas.

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I've been doing some research into the Roll of Years and there's an interesting tidbit I thought I'd share. It seems that each Blight has been shorter than the one before. The 1st Blight lasted about 195 years, the 2nd for 90 years, the 3rd for 15 years and the 4th for 12 years. It does tend to boggle the mind a bit that 2 wardens should be able to end the 5th Blight in just a year. Image IPB

I have a question, however, that my research can't seem to uncover: just when were Cailan and Anora married? I was always under the impression they married before Maric's death/disappearance, but I've seen a few places that mention they weren't wed until after.

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I have a very distinct memory of something giving a timeline for that - I want to say, married a month after Cailan took the throne after his father's unexpected death? But I cannot find a codex to support it. :/

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Yes, that's right, one month after he became a king. I don't know if it's in the Codex, but it's one of those things that appear on the loadscreens. ;)

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Loadscreens! Top annoying source of information you're sure is canon but can't find anywhere! XD

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Thanks! A bit disappointing, but it would seem that Theirin men tend to not marry until after they ascend the throne. Image IPB

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Here is a link to David Gaider's Blog Post - STORMING THE SANDCASTLE

I am thrilled that he went to the trouble to do this. It could not have been better than if I contact him personally and asked him to write down some tips for aspiring writers... in this case of Short Stories.

I am hoping to prompt some discussion in regard to this.

Modifié par Tryynity, 02 février 2012 - 07:31 .


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Hello there folks! Just wanted to take a stroll and look around a little. ;)

As you see my name is CMS. Please take care of me! :lol:

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 02 février 2012 - 11:29 .


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*pokes head in even though it's way past his bedtime*

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Oooh, hello. This looks wonderful, I just found my way here from the DA: Asunder competition thread. I should take a crack at that prompt... :lol:

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Tryynity wrote...

I am hoping to prompt some discussion in regard to this.


Hokey dokey...

"They cut their teeth by playing in someone else’s sandbox before they develop their own"

I still have trouble with this sentiment.  I've developed worlds.  As a tabletop RPG GM, I've done it a fair amount.  I've written in those worlds.  Fanfiction isn't about cutting my teeth, it's about chewing on something with a flavor I like.

"it’s that many fanfiction writers insulate themselves in the safe cocoon
of an appreciative audience so that they never receive the criticism
required to grow."

But I think this is a true statement.

I also don't know that crowdsourcing criticism is the way to go.  My personal preference would be to have a small circle of writers - like, half a dozen or fewer - who work well together, respect each others' ideas and strengths, and do serious concrit for each other.  That would be more valuable, to me, than a large number of less focused feedbacks.

As for the do's and don't's... I'm surprised to find myself largely in agreement.  I am looking at "DO the unexpected" sort of sideways, because taken to extremes, you get M. Night Shamalayan Syndrome, where twist endings get shoehorned in whether they work or don't.  I think you'll probably find you fulfil that requirement if you stick with "DON'T pull your punches," simply because many writers do.

Especially with respect to the punches the characters deliver.  I'm very fond of a protagonist with a few flaws, and not ones like "she's clumsy," or a temper that only flares at the villains.  I mean protagonists who hurt people - their friends, their allies - and then have consequences of that to deal with that aren't totally solved by a heartfelt apology a bit later.  It's hard to do, because who wants to give a protagonist a jerk moment?  But it's unexpected and it lands a punch on the reader.

I think it's sort of telling that every DAO companion, and every DA2 companion possibly excepting Varric, has a trait which can be readily interpreted as a flaw.  It gives them all instant depth and interest, IMO.

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Corker wrote...

I'm very fond of a protagonist with a few flaws, and not ones like "she's clumsy," or a temper that only flares at the villains.  I mean protagonists who hurt people - their friends, their allies - and then have consequences of that to deal with that aren't totally solved by a heartfelt apology a bit later.  It's hard to do, because who wants to give a protagonist a jerk moment?  But it's unexpected and it lands a punch on the reader.

I think it's sort of telling that every DAO companion, and every DA2 companion possibly excepting Varric, has a trait which can be readily interpreted as a flaw.  It gives them all instant depth and interest, IMO.


I think this is really important, particularly in writing DAO or DA2 fanfiction because let's face it - the Warden and Hawke can be a little too perfect sometimes, and it while that may be fun in terms of gaming, it doesn't always make for an interesting read. Even if you pick the aggressive responses, Hawke still seems to be doing everything "right" and a character which just breezes through everything isn't much fun to read about.

I've read quite a few times on the forums (mostly complaints) about the fact that as a player, you can't actually do anything about the endgame, and you lose quite a lot of control by the time it gets to Act 3. But this can actually turn out really well in terms of writing fanfic, I think. At least, that's what I'm trying to do to make my Hawke seem more realistic. There is actually nothing she can do to stop what's been put in place, and we slowly see her realising that she's losing her grip on control of things - both the in-game situation and her companions. I think it's a lot more interesting to read about the hero who doesn't save the day rather than the hero who always saves the day.

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Corker wrote...

Hokey dokey...

"They cut their teeth by playing in someone else’s sandbox before they develop their own"

I still have trouble with this sentiment.  I've developed worlds.  As a tabletop RPG GM, I've done it a fair amount.  I've written in those worlds.  Fanfiction isn't about cutting my teeth, it's about chewing on something with a flavor I like.


I agree with this, but I think it could still be someone new testing their writing chops as well. For me personally, I've never developed worlds before, so writing FF in the DA universe allows me to write and grow as a writer without having to go through the enormous amount of work to make a world (I'm world building right now for my first novel and finding out just how much work it is!).

Corker wrote...

"it’s that many fanfiction writers insulate themselves in the safe cocoon of an appreciative audience so that they never receive the criticism required to grow."

But I think this is a true statement.

I also don't know that crowdsourcing criticism is the way to go.  My personal preference would be to have a small circle of writers - like, half a dozen or fewer - who work well together, respect each others' ideas and strengths, and do serious concrit for each other.  That would be more valuable, to me, than a large number of less focused feedbacks.


I think both have merits. Getting feedback from readers - non-writers - would also be valuable to me since that is the audience I write for. Your idea has a lot of merit, I think, and would definitely be far more helpful to grow as a writer though.

As for the do's and don't's... I'm surprised to find myself largely in agreement.  I am looking at "DO the unexpected" sort of sideways, because taken to extremes, you get M. Night Shamalayan Syndrome, where twist endings get shoehorned in whether they work or don't.  I think you'll probably find you fulfil that requirement if you stick with "DON'T pull your punches," simply because many writers do.


I was in agreement with some of them. The don't start with description one I was in less agreement with (although, yeah, don't describe a sunset unless its just weird enough to grab the reader's attention). I'm not a big fan of reading that starts with dialogue unless it's just done really well (like with George RR Martin), but his statement that you only have a couple sentences to grab the reader is totally accurate. They can't be wasted.

I was looking at the "do the unexpected" statement the same way and thinking the same thing when I read it. I think, like everything in life really, there's a balance. Also you have to understand your audience. Doing an unhappy ending for a romance novel will get you a lot of angry women ;). Doing that for a short story in the DA universe will seem right at home. :)

Speaking of endings, I have to be honest... I did a happy ending specifically because of that in my story. And I'm sure that is what sunk my story more than anything (I don't like the ending of it myself, I will admit. Ran out of time unfortunately), but if there are SO MANY unhappy ending storylines that at what point does the unhappy/bittersweet ending become mundane?

It seems to me that happy endings kinda get a bad rap, which bothers me a little. I like happy endings, although I think they should be hard-won. Bittersweet and unhappy endings are fine too, and have their places - I'm not saying I don't like them - but I like happy endings more. I see a lot of bittersweet in life already - reading (and writing) is, for me, about escaping into another world or place where things work out even if it's a lot of work for it to do so. Although the ending of a story should have inertia on its own for having that ending, but it seems like the appeal of a story is dimished a bit when there's a happy ending involved which I don't think should be the case.

Especially with respect to the punches the characters deliver.  I'm very fond of a protagonist with a few flaws, and not ones like "she's clumsy," or a temper that only flares at the villains.  I mean protagonists who hurt people - their friends, their allies - and then have consequences of that to deal with that aren't totally solved by a heartfelt apology a bit later.  It's hard to do, because who wants to give a protagonist a jerk moment?  But it's unexpected and it lands a punch on the reader.

I think it's sort of telling that every DAO companion, and every DA2 companion possibly excepting Varric, has a trait which can be readily interpreted as a flaw.  It gives them all instant depth and interest, IMO.



In general I'm in agreement; I love characters with flaws as well.
They have more depth and are far more interesting than perfect people. It maybe doesn't require "jerk" moments to show that they have flaws - although that's fine too - making a mistake, not doing the right thing at the right time all the time. I actually love the movie "Prince Caspian" for that - Peter makes a foolish mistake based on his pride and has to learn from it. I love those stories.

Hmmm, I think I have to separate my sentiments on this into two parts.

If we're talking about DA FF: I've played the game, I know what's going on. So for me reading a Blight fic is less about the story and more about the characters. Because of this, it's really, really hard for me to get over not liking a character in that case. If I don't like the warden, then I can't stay interested in the story. Just my preference. Does that mean they have to be perfect? Absolutely not. I try really hard to give my characters imperfections and vulnerabilities in my writing and I love reading it in other characters. Being imperfect is preferred, especially since I love character growth, I just have to like the character in the first place as a person.

For non-DA FF this is less the case because I'm getting into the world, and the story becomes more important. The characters remain important as well, but I find its a lot easier for me to read characters I don't like when the world is new and the story is compelling.

EDIT: sorry for the wall o' text! Edited for better wording.

Modifié par AmbraAlhambra, 02 février 2012 - 09:46 .


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In a way, every author, including fanfiction writer, creates his own world. If we compared each other  stories, I bet that we would see that while built on the same basis, our worlds are in many things different. Dragon Age is a game, and many things are not explained, because they are not needed to play it, and many are simplified because of the game mechanics. Every fanfiction authors fills these gaps in their own way, and recreate the world to fit their purpose.

I don't write fanfiction to learn how to write, I write it for my own fun and to entertain my readers. That doesn't mean I don't want to improve, and I certainly welcome any concrit, but it's not the main reason why I write fanfiction. I write it because I was intrigued by how fast Zevran overcame the consequences and emotionals scars of his past life - it only took him a year, while normally it would take much, much longer. I wanted to explore this character, see how it was possible and what could have cause it.

So I like all feedback I get: the positive oneliners tell me that I succeeded to entertain my reader, the concrit brings out interesting points about what could still be improved. Though a small group of authors that give honest concrit sounds like a good idea. Maybe we could try to do it here?

As for the advices, I agree only with two: don't pull your punches and pay attention to scope. The others concern the style, they are good advices about how to write a story that Mr Gaider prefers to read. And while I respect Mr Gaider for his work (especially Zev), it doesn't mean that the style he prefers is the only correct way to write a good story.

The 'don't start with the description', for example. I'm sorry, what? The way how to start the story should depend on the type of the story, and for whom it's written, in the way that fits the needs and purpose of the story the best. If description would work the best, then it should be description.
(Here is interesting article ways to open a novel, with lines from books, that I really like, because it shows how people made different things work: 12 Ways to Open Your Novel)

I agree that characters need flaws. I don't care about characters that don't have flaws - they don't feel real, there's nothing interesting about them. I especially hate characters that never tell a lie, would rather be eaten by the Archdemon than break their promise and always know how to react and what to say - and it's always something very, very wise. So much that when you ask the author to give you an interesting quote, they will quote these characters (yes, I've seen that).

Modifié par Klidi, 02 février 2012 - 11:56 .


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Good morrow everyone--here from the Asunder thread too. I look forward to...poking my head in on occasion. XD

AmbraAlhambra wrote...
 I see a lot of bittersweet in life already - reading (and writing) is, for me, about escaping into another world or place where things work out even if it's a lot of work for it to do so.


You and me, we are of one mind. /fistbump

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Hello writers, also came from Asunder!
I will try the prompt but not now, kinda have a short story at hand.

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Hello & welcome new people from the Asunder thread - Im glad you made it over. I hope most people can post here.

I was thinking that since DAO was the first game - most people should have it at least. Maybe not, if you are a Mass Effect fan. We will see.

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Modifié par Tryynity, 03 février 2012 - 12:01 .


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I'd love to see a lot of Asunder people show up here. In fact, the thread that all the Asunder writers have been hanging out in just got spammed by a bot. *le sigh*

EDIT:

Oh, and length to the prompts never matters.  I'm actually trying to do a drabble myself, but keep getting distract--- oo, squirrel!

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I agree TK I really like hanging out in a writing focused community - I am amazed by how many are drawn to the Bioware community.

Other game forums Ive been involved in have much less - even LotRo, which is surprising to me.

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That's because we are ridiculously awesome. :)