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[tklivory]

@ Max - I adore word games (silly little Aspie that I am) and very frequently play them in my head (one of my favorite being spoonerisms in classical literature. Reading Fitzgerald with substituted spoonerisms always cheers me up). I usually play for humor with friends, and one of our favorite semi-word games is to substitute the word "pants" into famous movie quotes, as in:

"Throw me the idol, I'll throw you the pants!" *or*

"Han will get those pants down, we've just got to give him more time!" *or*

"My god! It's full of pants!"

&c... It can be addicting, especially if you usually hang with a crowd that knows a lot of movies. (It also works with poetry, if you're lucky enough to know people who can do replacements ad hoc.)


@ Morwen & Sushifer -

First of all:

Hey, Sushifer! *glee!* Glad to see you here!

Second of all, to respond to the 'impending Blight fic' thang:

I'm in the process of writing my Blight fic, and decided two things once I started working on it 'properly':

1) Have a beta (or at least someone to bounce ideas off of) before I start publishing
2) I want to have at least 3 chapters done and one more in beta before I publish the first chapter.

So I understand where you both are coming from. It's about my Warden Kalindra, and if you read her short stories I've written for ZevThread/Alibear prompts, you know it's not a happy story, so it will be fun & beautiful to write, but not... easy, especially because I care about the character so much. It's one thing to knock out a short story 3-4 times a week, but something else entirely to take a person who you've invested so much time/thought/obsession into and translate into a page that you will be able to look at later and think, "Yes, that *is* the story I wanted to tell."

I think once we reach the point of telling our Blight fic, we're all pretty much in the same boat: nervous, excited, and thinking "Maker, what am I about to commit to!"

But I'd much rather share her full story than not.  So, onwards!

/random musing

Modifié par tklivory, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:10 .

[BevH]

@TK: I think this is why I'm so hesitant about writing my canon story. As you say, you invest so much into your character, that writing the story is extremely personal... and that's what makes it so hard to put to paper. My biggest worry is that people won't receive it well because it's so different from the way they see the story.

As for my writing style, I've been told I do humor extremely well. I've also been told I do tragedy very well, but I tend to make those stories very short, probably because those venture into the personal viewpoint.

[tklivory]

BevH wrote...

@TK: I think this is why I'm so hesitant about writing my canon story. As you say, you invest so much into your character, that writing the story is extremely personal... and that's what makes it so hard to put to paper. My biggest worry is that people won't receive it well because it's so different from the way they see the story.

As for my writing style, I've been told I do humor extremely well. I've also been told I do tragedy very well, but I tend to make those stories very short, probably because those venture into the personal viewpoint.

Personally, that's why I read and write FF.  I mean, if I wanted to just read/write what happens in the game, I'll play the game.  I love reading the different viewpoints, the different Wardens, and the different takes on the party members.  My own Warden has several extremely AU aspects, but they're so central to her character I wouldn't consider changing them, even if some people don't agree with them.  I'd rather people love my character for what she is, and I think we all feel that way (us crazy writers!)  So: write it out!  I'd rather have 10 people read the story to the end and love my character then have 500 read it and complain that it wasn't what 'they' wanted.  Meh.  'I' want it that way, so there!

But then, I'm crazy that way...

[Penarddun]

Klidi wrote...
Hello, Penardun! *waves*
I prefer typing, because I so often go back to the previous word or sentence and change it or rewrite it - I'd fill in the notebook before the chapter was done and then it would be such a mess it would be difficult to sort it out.
But I have one story I work on when I'm travelling in the train, etc. I tried to transfer it into the PC - and I immediately got blocked. I think my brain is set up already to write this one on paper and nothing will change that until it's done, lol. Which means it will be done in a year or two.

Hello. *waves back*

I never thought about it that way. All these projects I'm having trouble transfering over to typing were started with pencil and paper. Could be part of the block going on for me. I did a bit of a compromise today. I typed using the notepad on my phone with my thumbs, and although slower than both writing and typing, the words flowed. 

Sushifer wrote...
...I think I want to establish a buffer of ready- to-publish chapters before I release it into the wild.

I have been throwing around the idea of writing a Blight fic. I have small jumbles of text that needed to be written down as I played the game, that now reside in a notebook. Along with half a dozen scenes. But if I took on such a huge commitement, I don't think I could even begin to start releasing any of it until I had at least half of it complete. Otherwise I would be throroughly terrified it would take months to update, especially as the "pressure" would be on.


I surprised myself recently, with how I write tragic scenes. It is something I shied away from for a long time. Writing was always an escape for me, and so I made my stories a little too happy, without realizing it. In a way I think that stripped them of the dimensionality I was trying to bring out.

I'm curious, is there any literature, or detailed information (other than the wiki, not sure how in depth they go there) about Orlais and the Anderfels? Politics? Characters? The codex actually has a lot less on those regions than I expected.

Modifié par Penarddun, 14 décembre 2011 - 03:34 .

[BevH]

A sample of my humorous style  (from waaaay back)

(Sorry, this should link directly to my story now.)

Modifié par BevH, 14 décembre 2011 - 04:06 .

[Tryynity]

BevH wrote...

@TK: I think this is why I'm so hesitant about writing my canon story. As you say, you invest so much into your character, that writing the story is extremely personal... and that's what makes it so hard to put to paper. My biggest worry is that people won't receive it well because it's so different from the way they see the story.

As for my writing style, I've been told I do humor extremely well. I've also been told I do tragedy very well, but I tend to make those stories very short, probably because those venture into the personal viewpoint.

What TK said

Also write it for your own enjoyment too - something I have learned lately is that : No matter what type of writer you are some people will like what you do and how you do it and others wont.

Something I have put into practice - If I fear it - I make myself do it.  Years ago I could not speak to an audience of 5, now I can perform in front of hundreds.

I liked what Isabella said in DA2 "It doesnt matter if they reject me - they dont know me - I know me." (something to that effect).  I really liked it and I said "Yea ! You preach it sista!!" LOL

[maxernst]

Penarddun wrote...

Klidi wrote...
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Sushifer wrote...

I'm curious, is there any literature, or detailed information (other than the wiki, not sure how in depth they go there) about Orlais and the Anderfels? Politics? Characters? The codex actually has a lot less on those regions than I expected.

Not as far as I know unless it's in David Gaider's books.  Since most of the action in my stories (other than the recounting of the blight) has taken place in Val Royeaux and Weisshaupt, I've been pretty much making up all my own details.  I used what I found in the Wiki, but that's mostly from the codex
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Modifié par maxernst, 14 décembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[BevH]

maxernst wrote...

Penarddun wrote...

Klidi wrote...
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Sushifer wrote...

I'm curious, is there any literature, or detailed information (other than the wiki, not sure how in depth they go there) about Orlais and the Anderfels? Politics? Characters? The codex actually has a lot less on those regions than I expected.

Not as far as I know unless it's in David Gaider's books.  Since most of the action in my stories (other than the recounting of the blight) has taken place in Val Royeaux and Weisshaupt, I've been pretty much making up all my own details.  I used what I found in the Wiki, but that's mostly from the codex
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There's none in the books since they take place in Ferelden and the Deep Roads. That may change when the new book comes out, however.

[RagingCyclone]

Tk--what you said about the game regarding Blight fics is the main reason I write mine the way I do as a collection of short "spice of life" stories. I knew my audience will already know the main points of they story game-wise...so I have chosen those moments we don't see. I go with the old timline of 2 years...and a lot happens in those two years. At least that is my personal approach to my Blight fic.

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 14 décembre 2011 - 06:28 .

[Penarddun]

BevH wrote...

maxernst wrote...
Not as far as I know unless it's in David Gaider's books.  Since most of the action in my stories (other than the recounting of the blight) has taken place in Val Royeaux and Weisshaupt, I've been pretty much making up all my own details.  I used what I found in the Wiki, but that's mostly from the codex.

There's none in the books since they take place in Ferelden and the Deep Roads. That may change when the new book comes out, however.

Thanks. It's a little disappointing there isn't anything "official" about those areas... yet. But it'll be nice to have free reign for my backstories, flashbacks, etc.

[Klidi]

BevH wrote...

@TK: I think this is why I'm so hesitant about writing my canon story. As you say, you invest so much into your character, that writing the story is extremely personal... and that's what makes it so hard to put to paper. My biggest worry is that people won't receive it well because it's so different from the way they see the story.

As for my writing style, I've been told I do humor extremely well. I've also been told I do tragedy very well, but I tend to make those stories very short, probably because those venture into the personal viewpoint.

You never know - maybe they will like it because it is different, fresh and new, or giving a new spin to things everyone knows already.

My own story... I know there are people who like it - things I added or changed, my Warden and my style of writing. And these are the people I'm writing for.
That there are others who don't like it - so what? They're obviously not my intended readers.  If they have something constructive to say, fine. If it's just ranting that they want something different - well, there are many stories out there and I'm sure they'll eventually find one they like.

tklivory wrote...

Personally, that's why I read and write FF.  I mean, if I wanted to just read/write what happens in the game, I'll play the game.  I love reading the different viewpoints, the different Wardens, and the different takes on the party members.  My own Warden has several extremely AU aspects, but they're so central to her character I wouldn't consider changing them, even if some people don't agree with them.  I'd rather people love my character for what she is, and I think we all feel that way (us crazy writers!)  So: write it out!  I'd rather have 10 people read the story to the end and love my character then have 500 read it and complain that it wasn't what 'they' wanted.  Meh.  'I' want it that way, so there!

But then, I'm crazy that way...

I'm also crazy like that. One of the reasons I read - not just fanfiction, but in general - is to find out what other people think about some matter. I don't need to confirm my own views, they are firm enough already. Even if I would never do some decision, or if I hate a character - I will try the story about it, and if it's interesting, logical, well written, I will enjoy it.

I was trolled yesterday, because my story "is so boring its supposed to be romance but nothing ever happens." Meh. Stupid troll. As if everything had to turn into smut in chapter four...

Modifié par Klidi, 14 décembre 2011 - 12:47 .

[Sialater]

Klidi wrote...

I was trolled yesterday, because my story "is so boring its supposed to be romance but nothing ever happens." Meh. Stupid troll. As if everything had to turn into smut in chapter four...

Heh, I've gotten that criticism with Loved, my ME2 fic, because Meghan Shepard and Garrus Vakarian aren't shagging all over the CIC yet.  It's definitely a slow-build romance.

Modifié par Sialater, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:31 .

[maxernst]

Sialater wrote...

Klidi wrote...

I was trolled yesterday, because my story "is so boring its supposed to be romance but nothing ever happens." Meh. Stupid troll. As if everything had to turn into smut in chapter four...

Heh, I've gotten that criticism with Loved, my ME2 fic, because Meghan Shepard and Garrus Vakarian aren't shagging all over the CIC yet.  It's definitely a slow-build romance.

I guess it's all in what a particular reader wants.   I've had people comment on how nice it was to read a story with a homosexual relationship that wasn't a smutfest.  That's part of the reason there's no right answer to the discussion of how much detail is desirable as well.  While I personally doubt I would enjoy Gaider's approach to fight scenes (I'm usually bored by extended fight scenes in film let alone in writing), I have a friend who loves reading fight scenes.

The comment somebody made earlier that they thought maybe Gaider was used to working in a visual medium and wanted to describe everything he visualized got me thinking about changes in writing style.  Is it possible that 19th century writers described more visual detail because it was more important to them to try and convey that, whereas after the advent of film, writers (consciously or unconsciously) recognized that film was better suited to visual storytelling, whereas writing was better suited to conveying thoughts and emotions of characters?  That might also account for the change in narrative style, because it seems to me that modern writers are more inclined to write from a subjective point of view, even when using the third person and multiple point-of-view characters.  I'm wondering whether competition from other media may have influenced the development of writing, much as painting responded to the advent of photography with a move away from purely representational art.

Modifié par maxernst, 14 décembre 2011 - 07:12 .

[RagingCyclone]

maxernst---good point. I was also thinking that as film and photography developed so did writing styles. Whereas before writers...say describing the Statue of Liberty...would use a lot of detail. But after visual technology there isn't as great a need since most people have seen the monument either in pictures, film, or both. Just as an example.

[Tryynity]

@ Klidi - how rude some people can be, and stupid... since when does Romance = sex 

 You are right to write for your readers that have already shown their support for what you write. Stay true to your style and story.

Modifié par Tryynity, 14 décembre 2011 - 09:12 .

[Corker]

My last acquaintance with most of the literature of the 17th-20th centuries was in high school, but I can say with fair assurance that the narrative literature of the 10th - 16th did not concern itself overmuch with fine detail. I wish it did - I'd love to be able to accurately reconstruct, say, the dances the young nobles perform in "The Decameron," or the gown Wealtheow wears in "Beowulf." So I wouldn't say that attention to fine visual detail is a hallmark of the pre-film era in general.

It might be a nineteenth-century thing, maybe growing out of the freedom that the novel offers? (Or *cough* a pay-per-word approach to publishing? Sorry, that's 14-year old me being frogmarched through Dickens talking.) And maybe it did die because of film. But I wouldn't go so far to say that literature was used as a stand-in for visual media before photo and film in the West as a whole.

[Sialater]

Corker wrote...

My last acquaintance with most of the literature of the 17th-20th centuries was in high school, but I can say with fair assurance that the narrative literature of the 10th - 16th did not concern itself overmuch with fine detail. I wish it did - I'd love to be able to accurately reconstruct, say, the dances the young nobles perform in "The Decameron," or the gown Wealtheow wears in "Beowulf." So I wouldn't say that attention to fine visual detail is a hallmark of the pre-film era in general.

It might be a nineteenth-century thing, maybe growing out of the freedom that the novel offers? (Or *cough* a pay-per-word approach to publishing? Sorry, that's 14-year old me being frogmarched through Dickens talking.) And maybe it did die because of film. But I wouldn't go so far to say that literature was used as a stand-in for visual media before photo and film in the West as a whole.

I'd say, actually, the reverse is true (excepting 19th Century, paid-by-the-sord serials).  With the advent of film, writers have gotten MORE visual than less.  Yeah, we can say, "The Statue of Liberty" instead of "The green-washed sentry of Ellis Island who stands with her torch raised guiding the unwashed masses to the shores of America..." but, we're more likely to add in details for clothing, fights and scenery than pre-photographic cultures.

[Klidi]

I think it was modernists who shifted focus from potraying 'reality' in detail to 'internal self', and that was at least a decade before the TV. Postmodernists then continued in the trend, claiming that fiction can't be 'realistic', because that's not how the language of fiction works. So it wasn't important any more how the things really looked like, but how a character percieved them. Subjective over objective, symbolism over literally meaning. I think modern authors combine best of both ways of writing. I don't think it's influence of TV - or if, it's only indirect, as one of the many things that influence lifestyle and thinking of modern people.

[Sialater]

That's a good point, Klidi. One character could see the Statue as a symbol of hope, another as Western oppression.

"She stared at the towering copper structure, oxidized by her centuries of standing guardian to this land of the free and home of the brave."

"He glared at the tall, green monument. Green, the color of money, of colonization, of Capitalism. The torch held aloft to lure the weak to these festering shores of corruption."

Modifié par Sialater, 15 décembre 2011 - 05:30 .

[maxernst]

Klidi wrote...

I think it was modernists who shifted focus from potraying 'reality' in detail to 'internal self', and that was at least a decade before the TV. Postmodernists then continued in the trend, claiming that fiction can't be 'realistic', because that's not how the language of fiction works. So it wasn't important any more how the things really looked like, but how a character percieved them. Subjective over objective, symbolism over literally meaning. I think modern authors combine best of both ways of writing. I don't think it's influence of TV - or if, it's only indirect, as one of the many things that influence lifestyle and thinking of modern people.

But film came before the modernists.  TV wasn't really a new medium of expression, just a change in distribution.  I don't think it's an accident that both the visual and literary arts shifted from representation of objective reality to the subjective when mechanical means of representing objective reality arrived.  Or that it happened in visual arts first, just as photography predated motion pictures.

[Tryynity]

I have only managed to publish one piece of writing this week - I am happy to have written two updates for my story though. They just need tweaking now.

It is on my blog if anyone be interested - called ROYAL TREATMENT - it was a gift for SUE.

It is my first fully romantic Zevran/Mahariel with a fade-to-black in the middle - so its RATED Tísh  &  for romance, Nudity,  Dawww.

I just finished reading Sialater's THE RESCUE - I really enjoyed it.

Modifié par Tryynity, 17 décembre 2011 - 03:11 .

[Sialater]

Thank you! I saw your review. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Tryynity!

[RagingCyclone]

I read the one you wrote for Sue, Tryynity...very good.

I finished my Neria story that is in my sig. Working now on the ideas for Jacen Thorne---The Discovery. I already have the character cast figured out, and a rough idea of where I want to go with it.

[Tryynity]

@ Sialater you are welcome.
@ Rage - thank you

[Tryynity]

Working my way through my lengthy 'to read' list - now that Ive put aside the KMeme for a season LOL

I have come across some wonderful stories/authors amongst us.

Shadow of Light Dragon - Sialater - Klidi - Bloodsong - TKlivory - that come to mind so far.

If you havent yet - you really should check out their stuff. All stories I have read so far except TK's star Zevran  - naturally for me

Im sure there are many more, that I just havent discovered yet.

Modifié par Tryynity, 18 décembre 2011 - 10:12 .