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[CJohnJones]

You know how in all those action movies "they" kill his family and steal his wallet and molest his kitten, and now he's out for revenge? It's like that.



Also, you have to have a reason to want to get drafted. Shiny, happy people should not become Jedi....er...Grey Wardens.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Kitten molestation is the worst

[sumdood]

The Grey Warden's tend to recruit outcasts.  Every origin has you kicked out of your home with no place to live and you join the Grey Warden's out of desparation.

[plasmatorture]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth

every rpg ever follows this, DA is no exception

Modifié par plasmatorture, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:33 .

[K1D27H]

Pfftt, this is not Kingdom Hearts or Final Fella..uh, no Fantasy. And, this is Dragon Age : Origins, right? So that means there will be sequels. And if everything ends happily, I do not see how can they exactly continue the story without boring all of us to the death. The stories are sad, but they are what that keep our heroes going forward.

[marshalleck]

plasmatorture wrote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth

every rpg ever follows this, DA is no exception

Unfortunately this will go over the heads of about 95% of gamers these days, since most are morons.

Short answer, as one of the first respondents hinted at: because this is not a game about a happy elf who spent saturday morning baking cookies.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:50 .

[Chris_Really_Rocks]

Why else would you be forced into the grey wardens?

[Hayllee]

I didn't think the city elf was sad, though...



But mainly because games like to make us feel all weepy. All games that I've played and liked had a sad element to them though.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Hayllee wrote...

I didn't think the city elf was sad, though...

But mainly because games like to make us feel all weepy. All games that I've played and liked had a sad element to them though.

GRUH?  Oh no..nothing sad happens at all, it isn't like your life is COMPLETELY RUINED or anything.

[nmal015]

Hayllee wrote...

I didn't think the city elf was sad, though...

But mainly because games like to make us feel all weepy. All games that I've played and liked had a sad element to them though.

Indeed, i left it feeling quite satisfied to be honest.

[cerulianknight 2]

If you did'nt think the city elf was sad, think about being black in segregationist America or a black South African during the era of Apartheid. The city elf is reminiscent of racism amd a people living under the iron boot of oppression.; hence the quest dealing with slavery. Open up your mind and think and your heart and feel. It is comparable to the Native American in 19th and 20th centuries America. The city elf origin is about being a freedom fighter. Bioware was perceptive in this theme but did not develop it further.

[beelzeybob]

The Dwarf noble origin is pretty happy.. though you still want revenge. But no one important to you dies and your main companion even stays alive to sell you stuff in Denerim with a discount.

[CptPatch]

kroosaydur wrote...

ive played through the human and elf ones so far but every origin ends badly. its always everyone dies or someone is executed ect. do any of them have a happy ending?

The standard measure of success usually involves the difference between where you start and where you finish.  It stands to reason that it is a greater accomplishment to start with nothing, but manage to come out on top at the end than if you had started in a better position with more resources to begin with.  Ergo, if you want players to feel like they accomplished something, make them start with as close to nothing as you can.  And they emphasize the "next to nothing" by depriving you of pretty much everything you may have woken up with that fateful morning.

[CptPatch]

13eelzebub wrote...

The Dwarf noble origin is pretty happy.. though you still want revenge. But no one important to you dies and your main companion even stays alive to sell you stuff in Denerim with a discount.

????
Family, wealth, prestige,... all gone.  An almost certain death sentence.  These are indicators of being "pretty happy"?

[keesio74]

As someone said, you don't join the Grey Wardens when all is well and good. You often get recruited when you have no other choice.



Also from a gameplay standpoint, the tragic plot really draws you into the game. I was so angry playing a city elf male that I really got into the game...

[Danaih]

I certainly get that they needed to give a player's character a reason to join (or be forced into) the Grey Wardens, but they sure were extra harsh in some of the women origins.  Men and women alike have family hurt or killed, but it's more often the women who have men/love interests killed or married off to someone else.

/rant on
Someone else who isn't deserving of my man, who I suspect he only married to leech off her father!!! 
/rant off
My poor dwarf noble is going to be very sad after she hits Denerim.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Danaih wrote...

I certainly get that they needed to give a player's character a reason to join (or be forced into) the Grey Wardens, but they sure were extra harsh in some of the women origins.  Men and women alike have family hurt or killed, but it's more often the women who have men/love interests killed or married off to someone else.

/rant on
Someone else who isn't deserving of my man, who I suspect he only married to leech off her father!!! 
/rant off
My poor dwarf noble is going to be very sad after she hits Denerim.

I was playing a total **** of a DN on my second paythrough and for some reason I hadn't made the denerim connection from my first playthrough.

That conversation needed a "murder" dialogue option.

[BroBear Berbil]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Well, pat of the reason I suppose is that the main character in this story (hey, thats YOU)is supposed to be thrust into the grey wardens with little choice and no one else to turn to. It is had to be put in that position if you are stil in line for the dwarven throne or your father has an army at his disposal or whatever.

Sloth is spot on. The reason the origins tend to end on a low note and leave you only one clear option is intended.

As far as origins go though, Dwarf Commoner is somewhat of a happy ending, so there you go.

[Tor_pedo]

I think the Human Noble origins was happy. Who needs family, right? Finally fcuking rid of them bastards. My noble laughed when her father died, and was happy to join the gay wardens. Life as a noble is boring anyway

[Danaih]

@ Sloth:  I concur, so long as it's only his wife getting murdered, and it can't be traced back to my gal. She wants him back, after all. She'll be able to live with herself because she'd spend the rest of her life making him happy. *Nods*

Modifié par Danaih, 20 janvier 2010 - 07:17 .

[0LunarEclipse0]

This is what we call Bioware's Dark Fantasy. It is mature, it is not elves prancing through meadows. In some ways it feels real, I love it.

[TyroneTasty]

Because this is the best RPG ever.

[Envor44]

Because it make plot better

[TheMadCat]

Stories are built around tragedy and conflict. Wouldn't be very interesting if we pranced through a field of rainbows and gumdrops most of the game now would it.

[Mordaedil]

Because if the ****'s didn't WW2, why would there be such a need for supermen in the army?



Oh wait, wrong answer.



Uhm, because if there was no bad things happening, the good things wouldn't have the same impact when they happen.