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[Monica83]

The thing i don't understeand is why they don't make something similiar at the aerie potrait in baldur's gate 2.. If you look that character there are similiar facial features to the dragon age 2 elves..

The difference is that maybe Aerie is better designed as a concept if they can't go back in the "art direction" they can see that potrait as something to help to render and adjust the Elves look

[TEWR]

esper wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

I think they should have dialed back the makeup. Bright pink/lilac does not suit her...maybe peach. And the bright eyeshadow doesn't help either. Someone asked why didn't a developer see her and want to fix her. Did anyone see her before the game shipped? It was an odd choice.

Good news is that David Gaider admitted her make-up was horrendous a while back

I can't help, but wonder if the make-up is a Tevinter fashion thing. Tarohne spouted it to and she was definitly a resolutionist. I think that Hadrianna was colourfull as well, but perhaps I remember wrong... Suddenly I don't want to see Tevinter.

Hadriana knew how to look good. And evil.

[Tom12]

Monica83 wrote...

The thing i don't understeand is why they don't make something similiar at the aerie potrait in baldur's gate 2.. If you look that character there are similiar facial features to the dragon age 2 elves..

The difference is that maybe Aerie is better designed as a concept if they can't go back in the "art direction" they can see that potrait as something to help to render and adjust the Elves look

Aerie looks good but imo her face structure isnt that good her eyes and eye brows,etc, its the detail in the picture that lets her look good

The Elves had a distinct look in their dao art style, and bioware couldnt really import their art style into dao. so they got "humans with pointy ears". So normally someone would set himself the goal to make them look like they planned to, but bioware tries now to make na'vi like elves, which they couldnt make too, (both dao and da2 elves style was bad imo because of the bad engine) so lets hope da3 comes in frostbite 2 as the rumours say.... 
Dao Elves art style: 



 I still cant understand why they had to change it!?Why 

Modifié par Tom12, 07 décembre 2011 - 08:39 .

[Fast Jimmy]

I'm not sure if that art style is the way I want them to go, based on that picture with the chick and the bloody knife.

She scares me.

[Pedro Costa]

Tom12 wrote...
 I still cant understand why they had to change it!?Why [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Humans with pointy ears... how cute.

I hate most of DA2's facial morphs for elves, but I commend BioWare on following TES in what concerns making elves look different.
I can't stand it when a character has to constantly have at least one ear/eye/teeth/whathaveyou showing so you can know it's not a human. If you're going to create a new humanoid race, at least take that extra step on actually making it instantly memorable/recognizeable, or flat out admit them as a sub-species of human and give them all the traits normal humans have, not more, not less.

When I go on my merry walks through Skyrim, I don't have to wait for an Elf to take off their hood so I can tell it's a bloody freaking elf. THAT's good character design, wether I find said Elf beautiful or ugly, that is irrelevant. 
Beauty is subjective and intrinsically culture-dependant, ergo, I can't judge them on how appealing they look to me.
I can judge them on how they feel to me as a separate species from my own, however, and that includes a distinct physical appearance.

[Fast Jimmy]

To be fair, I couldn't tell the difference between a DA2 elf and an ugly person until they removed their hood.

[Xerxes52]

Meh, I've always preferred the "humans with pointy-ears" elves.

[Tom12]

DarkLord_PT wrote...
I commend BioWare on following TES in what concerns making elves look different.
I can't stand it when a character has to constantly have at least one ear/eye/teeth/whathaveyou showing so you can know it's not a human. If you're going to create a new humanoid race, at least take that extra step on actually making it instantly memorable/recognizeable.
[/i]

Skyrim elves are supposed to look like that which i like that they keept their lore right, but they are really ugly and when i bought skyrim i said like, to myself "i am gonna be a badass elven witch" and when i saw the cas i just keept it at the nords instead the of the elves. But still they fit in the games' world really much and into its lore.

Da elves are in lore described as a "majestic" race somehow, otherwise why would the Tevinter have been so jealous of them and declare war on them. I wouldnt be jealouse of a dumb goat, The da2 elves just dont fit in this world imo so, i suggest them to change it to the dao elves or tolkien elves, still they can make them look good and dinstict at the same time without making them look fugly.

What they did with the da elves is like if avatar 2 would come out and the na'vi would be red instead of blue

[TheRealJayDee]

Sareth Cousland wrote...
It's that depth that makes the DA() elves non-generic, not superficial changes in their bone & body structure.

Yes!

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 08 décembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[yusuf060297]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...
It's that depth that makes the DA() elves non-generic, not superficial changes in their bone & body structure.

Yes!

i approve, but imo the da2 elves somehow, lost really much about this depth that they once had in dao

Modifié par yusuf060297, 09 décembre 2011 - 01:07 .

[TEWR]

HanErlik wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

HanErlik wrote...

She doesn't hold a two meter sized great sword with single hand.

She's not magicaly enhanced with lyrium either.

Yes, every elf is magicaly enhanced.

Fenris is the only Elf that wields a greatsword using the new animations.

All others use the DAO animations, and even in DAO you had moments where the character would swing/lift/hold a sword with one hand.

Like the hunched over running you do when your weapon is out. They're holding it with one hand there too. 

Also...


EDIT: Though I think you were facetious. I can't tell. I need to get some sleep now.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[MugzieIsGir]

Fast Jimmy wrote...


And this is even one of the "prettier" elves.

The only real exception to these ugly elves are Merril (who still is disturbingly thin) and Fenris (who looks like a Final Fantasy character, for better or worse). This is because lots of time was spent rendering these two, since they were featured in game so much.

This leads me to believe that the settings in the facial generation software have elves set up as entirely too extreme, that created ugly characters not truly in line with the game's art design. It seems like a feature that was alright in concept, but poorly executed, like many features poorly received in DA2.

Not gonna lie to you, they look odd. But really, she isn't exactly the prettiest elf either. Besides Merril and Fenris, there is Lia.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lia 

And even with them looking like a cross breed of Na'vi and anorexic super models, she's actually one of the prettier elves in the game actually. Hopefully the elves will be a bit more aesthetically pleasing in the next game.

Modifié par MugzieIsGir, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:45 .

[TEWR]

Oh wow, I was just thinking about necroing this thread yesterday. I even had a post all ready to do so!

Let me go fetch it!

I think they look fantastic but some people will undoubtedly whine that they are just pretty humans, again!

Ah, just thought of something to help support why I didn't feel much like an elf when playing DAO. Those elves in the thing you quoted back on the earlier pages give off an Elven vibe just from their pictures alone. The former has a very regal and graceful air about her -- and as a note, her looking like a human with pointy ears has nothing to do with that -- while the latter's clothing and tattoos give off an Elven vibe due to the designs. Not only that, but she's in a wooded area, which helps the vibe come into playa little bit.

That said, Elves do need to stand out physically as well as culturally.
 
They can’t just always be humans with pointy ears simply because that’s what the people are used to. And no, that’s not an excuse for them to suddenly be talking amorphous blobs with six arms, carrots for noses, and antlers on their heads.
 
They just can’t always be humans with pointy ears. That’s all. A little variety in the depiction is all that’s needed, which is what DAII did. They aren’t just short humans with pointy ears. They have more physiological differences than just the ears and height.

alex90c wrote...

for god sake, how the hell can anyone honestly think that DA2 elf looks good ;/

I don't think Pol would've looked that bad to people had his nose been the same type of nose that he had in DAO, while using the DAII concept of "nasal bridge extending into the forehead".

His facial design is more or less the same though, if adjusted to fit the DAII elf design's parameters.

I should note that I liked Pol's appearance in DAII, but his nose definitely shouldn't have changed. And he should've had some frickin' eyebrows.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:48 .

[GodWood]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

God I hate the female kossith design.

[TEWR]

GodWood wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

God I hate the female kossith design.

Why?

[GodWood]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Why?

For some reason I find it difficult to explain...

They just don't look like they're from a completely alien society and nor does their appearance seem to reflect what the qunari lifestlye would do to the female form. Instead they're just tall super babes.

I always kind of imagined them looking like a less happy version of this



It's not hot, but they don't need to be.

[Gibb_Shepard]

? Thats certainly not what i'd picture the female Kossith to be. That's more like a female Shrek.

I think the current design with a rougher face and darker pigment would look great.

[GodWood]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Thats certainly not what i'd picture the female Kossith to be. That's more like a female Shrek.

No, that would be Fiona.

I think the current design with a rougher face and darker pigment would look great.

I'd find this amusing.
They completely change the kossith design because they just looked like "tall humans" but when it comes designing the females they're just tall humans. Ok I lie. I wouldn't find it amusing, just annoying.

Modifié par GodWood, 21 janvier 2012 - 10:34 .

[TEWR]

Well, Qunari culture is rigid and women are the ones that do the farming I believe, which builds up muscle tone. And the picture shows them as having a fair deal of muscle.

Though I'd expect the priestesses not to have much muscle tone. And possibly have some ugly ones.

I imagine the Qunari do not tolerate fat, slovenly creatures in their society, and thus they don't actually have any fat people in their society.

And if they do, they're branded anathema. So.... Tal'Vashoth I guess.

I now want to see a fat Tal'Vashoth.

[TEWR]

GodWood wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Thats certainly not what i'd picture the female Kossith to be. That's more like a female Shrek.

No, that would be Fiona.

I think the current design with a rougher face and darker pigment would look great.

I'd find this amusing.
They completely change the kossith design because they just looked like "tall humans" but when it comes designing the females they're just tall humans. Ok I lie. I wouldn't find it amusing, just annoying.

Well they've already stated that there are hornless Qunari -- like Sten -- and there are horned Qunari like the Arishok.

They've also said that Sten won't magically change his appearance if he reappears. He's still going to be his Sten-like self.

Though I demand to see him with a goatee next time. And a box of kittens.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

GodWood wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Thats certainly not what i'd picture the female Kossith to be. That's more like a female Shrek.

No, that would be Fiona.

I think the current design with a rougher face and darker pigment would look great.

I'd find this amusing.
They completely change the kossith design because they just looked like "tall humans" but when it comes designing the females they're just tall humans. Ok I lie. I wouldn't find it amusing, just annoying.

As shown by the elves, trying to change something just to make it look "original" isn't the right way to go about character design.

A darker female with a more angular face would basically be a smaller version of male Qunari anyway. I don't see the problem here.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 21 janvier 2012 - 10:52 .

[GodWood]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Well, Qunari culture is rigid and women are the ones that do the farming I believe, which builds up muscle tone. And the picture shows them as having a fair deal of muscle.

My exposure is limited (although I guess more then some) but every farming woman I've met has been pretty chunky.

I would expect those who are farmers to be fit, just not in the way that female is presented. She does not look like someone who has been ploughing a field day in, day out her whole life. More like the type of woman who follows a very specific fitness regime that tones specifially targetted areas combined with a very specific diet.

Like a model.

Though I'd expect the priestesses not to have much muscle tone. And possibly have some ugly ones.

Beauty should be the exception, not the rule.

I imagine the Qunari do not tolerate fat, slovenly creatures in their society, and thus they don't actually have any fat people in their society.

And if they do, they're branded anathema. So.... Tal'Vashoth I guess.

I now want to see a fat Tal'Vashoth.

I imagine they could make up some silly reason like "Qunari females must be broad of hip to bear children and have a body of girth to provide them with the children sufficient nutrients..." blah blah blah.

But really, their design doesn't need to be fat, that was just a suggestion. All I want is them to be sufficiently different to the rest of the females of thedas and show how different qunari are. The whole purpose of that picture was to show the 'different standards of beauty' across the races and yet everyone (excluding dwarves I guess) seems to value the exact same modern western ideal.

[GodWood]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
As shown by the elves, trying to change something just to make it look "original" isn't the right way to go about character design.

That is not comparable.

We already had a design for the elves and we already knew they were meant to be considered beautiful. The DA2 design changed the former and failed to conform to the latter.

The case of female qunari is completely different as we don't know what they're meant to look like.

A darker female with a more angular face would basically be a smaller version of male Qunari anyway. I don't see the problem here.

No that'd just be a tall human with darker skin and a more angular face. If you wanted to go for the 'smaller male look' you'd have them broad shouldered, hunched, bulky and darker skinned with angular features.

[MugzieIsGir]

More or less the female Kossith is somewhat what I thought it to be. Tall, fairly muscular, surprisingly pretty for a race of horned peoples. They look like women but have that tough square jaw.

Though this picture needs more Varric, he's a prime specimen of a dwarf. xD