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[Rawgrim]

I hate their design. plain and simple.

[Fast Jimmy]

Meris wrote...

The question is:

Do you hate Dragon Age II elves because of their design, or because you felt their morphs were generally bad?

I mean, there are some pretty awesome mods in DragonAgeNexus that 'fixes' many strange elves from Dragon Age II. Zevran comes to mind.

I think this is really the case.

I mean, given how horrible Morrigan looked when she got imported into the DA2 face generator and looked like a freaking troll mated with a honey badger, I'd say the "redesign" isn't at fault, it is only the actual game engine implementation that is truly the source of the butt ugliness.

Concept art shows that the new elves look different, but still aethetestically appeasing. In game, however, they look pretty gross, at least in my opinion.



The above picture shows slight differences in the elves, but overall their body design and facial structure is pretty similar to humans, dwarves and even Qunari.

Meanwhile, in game, they are shown to have huge squashed down noses, gi-normous foreheads, over elevated cheek bones and disgustingly anorexic body types.



And this is even one of the "prettier" elves.

The only real exception to these ugly elves are Merril (who still is disturbingly thin) and Fenris (who looks like a Final Fantasy character, for better or worse). This is because lots of time was spent rendering these two, since they were featured in game so much.

This leads me to believe that the settings in the facial generation software have elves set up as entirely too extreme, that created ugly characters not truly in line with the game's art design. It seems like a feature that was alright in concept, but poorly executed, like many features poorly received in DA2.

EDIT: Sorry about the edits here, lost most of my text in a picture editting fiasco and had to retype.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 07 décembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[kfox10]

[quote]Fast Jimmy wrote...

[quote]Meris wrote...


Concept art shows that the new elves look different, but still aethetestically appeasing. In game, however, they look pretty gross, at least in my opinion.



The above picture shows slight differences in the elves, but overall their body design and facial structure is pretty similar to humans, dwarves and even Qunari.













GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!
 when are we going to see the qunari female in game????    :OWHEN??????

Modifié par kfox10, 07 décembre 2011 - 01:21 .

[tmp7704]

kfox10 wrote...

GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!
 when are we going to see the qunari female in game????    :OWHEN??????

Five years ago. You need to subscribe to World of Warcraft, though.

[Meris]

tmp7704 wrote...

kfox10 wrote...

GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!
 when are we going to see the qunari female in game????    :OWHEN??????

Five years ago. You need to subscribe to World of Warcraft, though.

While there are certainly similarities, I find them way too general for this joke to work. The Draenei have different horns, tails, glowing eyes and different eye color. Not to mention differences in the face structure.dd

[tmp7704]

The leg arrangement is different obv., but beyond that they're both very much "sexy human with horns" concept to me. Whether their eyes glow or not etc are such minor differences they don't even register.

[Fast Jimmy]

I feel like the only way we are going to be allowed to see a Qunari female is if we go to the Kossith homeland. Since no females are allowed to be soldiers, it seems like we'd only be able to see them at home.

Either that, or a religious delegation, since women can be priests.

To get back on topic, I'd say the poll says it all. Those who say that X% are "on the fence" means that the elf design isn't bad simply don't want to admit that almost double the amount of people voted that they hated the design rather than liked it. I'd say that speaks volumes about how little the elves were liked.

[TEWR]

female Qunari can also be Ben-Hassrath, which means we might see a horned Kossith female Tallis.

[Meris]

tmp7704 wrote...

The leg arrangement is different obv., but beyond that they're both very much "sexy human with horns" concept to me. Whether their eyes glow or not etc are such minor differences they don't even register.

Differences:

The horns are different.
The Draenei have goat legs.
The Draenei have tails.
The Draenei's eyes glow.
The bone structure of the face is different.
The hair color is different.
The skin color is different.
The design of clothes is also completely different.

Similarities:

Taller than humans.
Have horns, though different.
Are sexy, like every female in gamesphere.
Are humanoid?

If concepts were everything, there would be no such thing as originality.

PS: I'm not arguing that there's any originality in either the Draenei or the Qunari design. After all, Draenei are your average Warcraft race: a conglomerate of real-world differences.

[tmp7704]

Meris wrote...

Differences:

The horns are different.
The Draenei have goat legs.
The Draenei have tails.
The Draenei's eyes glow.
The bone structure of the face is different.
The hair color is different.
The skin color is different.
The design of clothes is also completely different.

The number of these differences doesn't exist or becomes significantly reduced depending on the exact customization options applied to the draenei model (horn shape, face structure, hair colour and style, even skin colour, clothing obv) I'll still consider the legs (and tail) to be the only really defining differences, and both can become next to unnoticeable in some outfits.



I'm not arguing they're identical, but for all intents and purposes someone who is looking for a character like the 'female kossith' can pretty much get the desired experience from WoW already, imo.

[Meris]

tmp7704 wrote...

Meris wrote...

Differences:

The horns are different.
The Draenei have goat legs.
The Draenei have tails.
The Draenei's eyes glow.
The bone structure of the face is different.
The hair color is different.
The skin color is different.
The design of clothes is also completely different.

The number of these differences doesn't exist or becomes significantly reduced depending on the exact customization options applied to the draenei model (horn shape, face structure, hair colour and style, even skin colour, clothing obv) I'll still consider the legs (and tail) to be the only really defining differences, and both can become next to unnoticeable in some outfits.

I'm not arguing they're identical, but for all intents and purposes someone who is looking for a character like the 'female kossith' can pretty much get the desired experience from WoW already, imo.

Well, sure. If concepts really matter for you, completely disregarding presentation and cultural design of the race, then there's nothing on Thedas that you can't see on google images.

But just so you know:

Clothing design of a given WoW race has nothing to do with the customization a player can apply to their race. Otherwise you could say that the draenei are based off Victorian London, since there's clothes in the game based on that. When actually, the Draenei are designed around 'sci-fi' culture - though concept arts don't really reflect that, its best seen in the in-game models.
WoW player customization doesn't deal with the face structure of the character and draenic eyes always glow.
Draenic skin is proeminently shades of blue, purple and white.

Leaving hair colour (that can be white) and horn shape (that can look a bit like the kossith) to the still-too-thin list of similarities.

And of course, the most proeminent changes in the design, showing that Draenei are based of a representation of a demon, the tails and goat legs still remain. And they aren't easily concealed by in-game clothing, the tail shoots through capes and the goat legs aren't entirely covered by boots.

Lastly, if you expand from clothing design to the culture of the Draenic X the Qunari/Kossith races, then that's where some originality can possibly be had. I won't give you a lecture on the draenic race characterization, since there's no need for it. And you certainly don't need a lecture on Qunari culture and how a Kossith female can be seen behaving (as in, you know, a full fledged character).

But yeah, the concept of a tall sexy lady with horns is all there is to things.

[tmp7704]

Meris wrote...

Well, sure. If concepts really matter for you, completely disregarding presentation and cultural design of the race, then there's nothing on Thedas that you can't see on google images.

I think it's bit too much of hyperbole -- you don't need to "completely disregard presentation" to see similarities between the designs because said presentations are similar to some extent, and i seriously doubt the "cultural design" is really factor of much importance for people demanding the kossith females -- not when such requests frequently come with ideas how to circumvent the game lore and that very cultural design just to make the meeting with such characters possible.

Clothing design of a given WoW race has nothing to do with the customization a player can apply to their race.

Rather clearly not what i meant. The point if anything would be, the objection that characters in WoW may sport clothing that looks different than kossith underwear... is rather meaningless. And until we do get to see some actual kossith females in some actual clothing, it's not possible to say whether characters in WoW can put on anything that looks similar, or that anything they wear at the moment isn't similar to what the kossith females will wind up wearing.

WoW player customization doesn't deal with the face structure of the character

There's a "face" 'slider' which allows to cycle through different head textures and iirc includes some geometry changes. These models are low res so this customization is quite crude (and relies mostly on the texure) but neverheless, it's there.

Draenic skin is proeminently shades of blue, purple and white.

And the kossith are said by the devs to have different skin tones (that question was asked when the grey-skinned DA2 kossith appeared when DAO Sten and other kossith were dark skinned)  As such, i find it perfectly acceptable idea there's some blue, purple and white skinned kossith as well.

But yeah, the concept of a tall sexy lady with horns is all there is to things.

Basically, to many who request the presence of the kossith females that's very likely all there is to what makes them make that request, indeed. Not in the least because at this point that's about as much as we know about what the female kossith are like.

Modifié par tmp7704, 07 décembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[FieryDove]

tmp7704 wrote...

[And the kossith are said by the devs to have different skin tones (that question was asked when the grey-skinned DA2 kossith appeared when DAO Sten and other kossith were dark skinned)  As such, i find it perfectly acceptable idea there's some blue, purple and white skinned kossith as well.

I would rather they go back to bronze skin and purple eyes. (Red and yellow too)

Ok I admit it I  Purple. sigh

The new eyes do NOT suit them. imho

Modifié par FieryDove, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:18 .

[Atakuma]

Fast Jimmy wrote...




And this is even one of the "prettier" elves.

That is one of, if not the ugliest elf in the game.

[TEWR]

Atakuma wrote...

That is one of, if not the ugliest elf in the game

I disagree. I happen to think she's a good-looking elf. Though the one in MotA is definitely more beautiful.

For one, I think that the reason she doesn't look as good as she does is because she looks like a slave that hasn't eaten much -- which could be rectified if she gets some good meals -- and has a severe case of Tarohne Clown Make-up Syndrome.

For another, I think the angle of the shot is unfair to her. Speaking to her in the Hawke Estate seems to give off better shots if she's looked at straight on.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:31 .

[Tom12]

Atakuma wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...




And this is even one of the "prettier" elves.

That is one of, if not the ugliest elf in the game.

No i think this one is the ugliest elf in the game 

Modifié par Tom12, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:36 .

[TEWR]

Both Huon and Nyssa are ugly. Nyssa's only ugly though because she's balding in her early 20s or 30s.

Or so I assume. Marethari's 108 years old in Origins yet she didn't look a day over 80. Who knows? Maybe Nyssa and Huon are in their 50s.

[FieryDove]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I disagree. I happen to think she's a good-looking elf. Though the one in MotA is definitely more beautiful.

For one, I think that the reason she doesn't look as good as she does is because she looks like a slave that hasn't eaten much -- which could be rectified if she gets some good meals -- and has a severe case of Tarohne Clown Make-up Syndrome.

I think they should have dialed back the makeup. Bright pink/lilac does not suit her...maybe peach. And the bright eyeshadow doesn't help either. Someone asked why didn't a developer see her and want to fix her. Did anyone see her before the game shipped? It was an odd choice.

Tarohnre was insane so it fit. Still didn't care for it but...

[SinnSly]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

As ugly as the DA2 elves are, let's be thankful that they are not as ugly as the Skyrim elves. {shudders}

Skyrim elves are epic.. DAII elves are lovely :L

I love Skyrim's elves and DAIiI's
DAO elves sucked

[FieryDove]

SinnSly wrote...

DAO elves sucked

My zillion Dalish wardens disagree.

[Tom12]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

For another, I think the angle of the shot is unfair to her. Speaking to her in the Hawke Estate seems to give off better shots if she's looked at straight on.

okeyyy so you mean  "she looks hot..,but.. in the right angle and light" ? lol thats a lame excuse 

[TEWR]

Tom12 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

For another, I think the angle of the shot is unfair to her. Speaking to her in the Hawke Estate seems to give off better shots if she's looked at straight on.

okeyyy so you mean  "she looks hot..,but.. in the right angle and light" ? lol thats a lame excuse 

Looking at people from a bad angle can make them uglier than they really are. Also, I think she's pretty no matter what angle, but I just think that other people are looking at her from the wrong angles and basing her looks off of that alone.

This isn't something that applies to everyone however. An obese woman will always be ugly to a person that prefers women who aren't obese, no matter what angle it is.

Hell, to go one further Dementia from Addams Family Values will always be an ugly woman because of her looks:

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 07 décembre 2011 - 07:01 .

[alex90c]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

That is one of, if not the ugliest elf in the game

I disagree.

What.

[TEWR]

FieryDove wrote...

I think they should have dialed back the makeup. Bright pink/lilac does not suit her...maybe peach. And the bright eyeshadow doesn't help either. Someone asked why didn't a developer see her and want to fix her. Did anyone see her before the game shipped? It was an odd choice.

Good news is that David Gaider admitted her make-up was horrendous a while back

[esper]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

I think they should have dialed back the makeup. Bright pink/lilac does not suit her...maybe peach. And the bright eyeshadow doesn't help either. Someone asked why didn't a developer see her and want to fix her. Did anyone see her before the game shipped? It was an odd choice.

Good news is that David Gaider admitted her make-up was horrendous a while back

I can't help, but wonder if the make-up is a Tevinter fashion thing. Tarohne spouted it to and she was definitly a resolutionist. I think that Hadrianna was colourfull as well, but perhaps I remember wrong... Suddenly I don't want to see Tevinter.