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[TomY90]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

I agree with your points about ME2 characteristic. However, I am concerned that ME2 style of freindship forming stage is going to extend to ME3 as infamous script writers from DA2 are working on ME3 as well.

Frankly, I think it's silly that Shepard should spend time asking for helps when reapers have already invaded. and I think it's unsmart of reapers to leave the earth alive, which increases the small chance of their defeat and buys more timesfor Shepard to gether forces.

I thought, through this linear storyline that has been revealed so far, I'm seeing ME2 style friendship sitcoms over space-level crisis. The earth survived in invation. Shepard is not being chased down by reapers immidiately. Why would we expect to have other race's existence at stake when things are so loose?

You are forgetting some of the information already out that Earth is not the only place being attacked it was just the 1st to be hit and fall. They are all over the galaxy attacking all races whether Turian's, Krogans, Salarians or Ascari. Everyone single person is being hit by them.

The friendship's from what we have seen do not play that great of a role more supporting role in making your life easier/harder throughout because the characters seem to be related to important missions to help your cause so far.

and its probably hard for the reapers to track shepard considering they are trying to exterminate all life in the galaxy, and are probably expecting them to bump into shepard whilst doing what they do best.

and the reasoning for trying to save earth is probably because that is where the largest amount of reapers are at currently and want to get a large enough force to destroy them before they spread out making it hard to take them all down in one move
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[CptData]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

Hua. One sec here. Can I ask one question? Did you guys approve ME2's storyline that heavily focused on character relationship over plot development? Before starting anything I wanna know if our concepts of 'good storyline' is different from each other.

ME2 didn't focus on "character relationships". ME1 did that far better, far more authentic and HAD a story.
ME2 simply lacks a well written story and you spent nearly 3/4 of the game recruiting and loyalizing guys. That's why ME2 feels like a filler while ME1 comes with an epic story. I wonder if ME3 will be better than ME2 ... it has to.

Or BW should accept me as next lead writer ^^

[AresXX7]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

I am not freaking homophobic. I have clear reasons to hate homosexual Shepard. I didn't mind homosexuals in DA2.

1. inconsistency. homosexuality never mentioned in 1,2 series.

2. character identity. too much freedom in character personality forces attenuation of the character.

3. irrelevancy. It's not important if Shepard is gay or lesbian or whatever when the entire human race is upon the impending annihilation.

So stop calling me homophobic at least.

What's interesting is, while he never outright used the word homosexual, Kaidan did imply  it - when speaking to FemShep, if she chose Liara in ME1.

So I will award you a 1/2 point on that one.

(just kidding - I can't take this argument too seriously, sorry)

Modifié par AresXX7, 02 décembre 2011 - 12:36 .

[C9316]

OP, are you stupid or something?

[GayFemshep]

A 1/2 point? But he has none? There are plenty of gay characters. Such as that reporter..

Modifié par GayFemshep, 02 décembre 2011 - 12:37 .

[AresXX7]

GayFemshep wrote...

A 1/2 point? But he has none? There are plenty of gay characters. Such as that reporter..

Read the last line. I forgot to add it before hitting submit.


Edit: It's really late for me, I need to go to sleep.

Modifié par AresXX7, 02 décembre 2011 - 12:42 .

[Stardusk78]

Is the game out yet? Don't think so, hard to pass judgement until that happens...

[Cpt-Brit]

 1. You want grim dark, where love doesn't exsist and people just fight, go play Warhammer 40k (Not slagging WH off. I love 40k and its probably the only Sci-Fi world I enjoy more than Mass Effect)

2. You do understand that pressure and been forced into what seem like unwinnable situations drives people closer, don't you? I mean say Shepard actually loves Miranda, you can bet hes gonna at least want to spend one last night with her before they "Might" die or are you just a troll that lives in his/her basement and has never felt love and scoffed at all the mushy bits in the games?

3. I haven't read the spoilers but I can guarantee you my Shepard's won't be having no gay moments. Period, I wanna shut that sh*t down at the source any "You more than a friend to me, Shepard" from any male crew mates and they are getting slapped the f*ck down.

Modifié par Cpt-Brit, 02 décembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Swampthing500]

I don't see a problem with optional gay romances, and I have made it pretty clear I am a fan-hater as far as ME3 goes.

Edit: For me, The Mass Effect series has never just been about locating and killing the main villain/saving people. It was also about the characters, how they related to each other and their backgrounds.

The element of human drama is also bound up in the space-opera nature of ME.

In ME 1 we learnt about the the personal history of Garrus,  Ashley and a host of other people. There was no reason to continue that trend in 2 and 3.

Kotor, one of the best RPGs I have played had a great deal of personal drama with Bastilla, Carth and Zalbaar. In Baldurs Gate 2 (Another awesome RPG), you had romances and quests dealing with the background of quite a few characters.

They were better games for it because of that added depth.

Modifié par Swampthing500, 02 décembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[l7986]

I am the complete opposite. Reading all the rage on this forum about things Bioware might or might not do has made me want for ME3 even more. But then again I seem to be the only one on the planet that hasnt read the leaked script.

Modifié par l7986, 02 décembre 2011 - 12:58 .

[Candidate 88766]

Reptillius wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

These are unexpected responses. I honestly thought ME3's revealed storyline is too flat, unrealistic and artificial, and reapers are not being very smart. I sincerely hoped ME3 to be much more desperate and grim, the elimination of entire races hanging on the tip with all your missions. I guess at this level of fandom in the forum I'm just trolling.

Its not the forum's fandom level, its your homophobic posts and 'controversial' views that suggest you're trolling.

yes... because a partial reveal based on a story arc written in a demo for an old build which is very unlikely to have most of the options actually programmed into it is somehow going to reveal just everything.  That all of course ignoring the fact that at least half of the OP is not about the story in any way but closer to the jab about controversy in some respects that prompted said trolling comment.

Now it's amazing other than that some of the conclusions people draw from some things like the so called leaked storyline necessarily being any indicator of whethere a story is great or not.  Which as a matter of course even some of the greatest stories ever can become flat and artificial at their best when broken down not only into bullet points but then translated into a different language.

Was that directed at me? Tad confused.

[Justjhk]

Whilst I dont agree with all of what the OP had to say i believe that his initial statement is justified. I myself do not consider myself a homophobe but I do think that Bioware should stick to heterosexual relationships to keep with consistencies established in the previous games. I did not like how personal homosexual relationships were seen in DA 2 especially with anders and the protoganist and really do hope this does not occur in ME3. Personally I believe the changes are understandable to support a small minority of gamers I do no wish for the issue to be emphasized or be a reoccuring theme. Perhaps if this could be done in a subtle way near the start to establish sexual orientation would be a great way to remedy this issue.

Modifié par Justjhk, 02 décembre 2011 - 01:14 .

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Read the 4th line of the OP...stopped reading


the only thing this thread is missing is a pair of dancing trolls with top hats

[CptData]

Calinstel wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

I am not freaking homophobic. I have clear reasons to hate homosexual Shepard. I didn't mind homosexuals in DA2.

1. inconsistency. homosexuality never mentioned in 1,2 series.

2. character identity. too much freedom in character personality forces attenuation of the character.

3. irrelevancy. It's not important if Shepard is gay or lesbian or whatever when the entire human race is upon the impending annihilation.

So stop calling me homophobic at least.

Mordin stated it best.  (Paraphrased) The galaxy is too big to truly wrap your mind around, to give you a focus on.  A single person, his nephew, was easy to do that with.  Same with Shepard.  Too many differences out there to see but, if you attach those feelings of survival and caring to a LI, then you have a stronger reason to fight to survive.
To me, the LI is a very important aspect of the game.  Instead of fighting for humanity, instead of the galaxy, both of which are so large that is it just a word, Shepard has a person to save.  The sexuality of that person doesn't matter, the fact that Shepard cares for him/her does and that makes Shepard fight harder.  (Just adding some RPG into it)

Of course, this is just my opinion

I second that. It's pure headcanon to me, but my Shepard(s) fights for his future and for the ones he cares for. That's his family (he's a spacer), his friends (all of the guys on the Normandy) and his love (Ashley). He couldn't do that well without them. And actually, he simply would broke one day.

However, that turns out better in ME1 than ME2 since the relationship has more time to grow while in ME2 it seems to be rushed.

[Sgt Stryker]

Rakia Time wrote...

Read the 4th line of the OP...stopped reading


the only thing this thread is missing is a pair of dancing trolls with top hats

Or a Russian guy singing a song with no lyrics and laughing at his audience.

[s17tabris]

I don't know which is worse... OP is just trolling, or s/he's really serious

[CroGamer002]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

ME3 = Gay Shepard's foolish agony of his sexual identity. COD space version.

1. Shepard could have always been gay, at least FemShep if you don't count for no s/s romance for ManShep in past 2 games.
2. There's barely any talk for romances from developers so I don't see point for that.
3. Call of Duty is First Person Shooter while Mass Effect 3 is RPG Third Person Shooter so this comparison is invalid.

[felipejiraya]

This thread is made of win.

ME3 = Gay Shepard's foolish agony of his sexual identity. COD space version.

I lol'd so hard when I read this that I was almost kicked out of class.

[CptBomBom00]

Hell this thread it still alive?

[knightnblu]

First, let me say that I see parallels in your post to many of my postings on the boards. For example, Shepard not having time to romance in ME3. My LI from ME1 was Williams and that got totally fouled up in ME2 and I just don't see the time to repair that relationship in ME3. The galaxy is burning and folks are dying by the billions and that really isn't a good backdrop for making googly eyes at your ex-lover and trying to fix your romance.
 
However, that doesn't mean that the story in ME3 will fail. I have seen Mr. Priestly write on several occasions that all we know about the story in ME3 are the broad strokes and even they are subject to change. Nothing is written in stone regarding the ME3 story and although we all love to speculate on anticipated events, the truth is it may be much ado about nothing.
 
ME1 was awesome, ME2 was more about melodrama with the hand holding and daddy issues abounding, but I have to say that blowing the Collector base and cutting the channel on TIM was memorable. The story for ME3 is going to be darned difficult to write even without all of the angst and sexual identity issues.
 
However, I cannot blame BioWare for trying to make their fans happy. We got a chance to romance somebody in ME1, continued it in ME2, and will likely continue to ME3. Those of the same sex persuasion kind of got left out in the cold on that score. Redressing that isn't a big deal for me. That being said, I have a real problem with NPC's that engage in predatory dating practices, *cough, Anders, *cough, which I believe that BioWare has learned a great deal about from the negative reaction of their fans regarding such things.
 
I firmly believe that ME3 will be an epic conclusion to the ME story. Exactly what that conclusion will be or how it will come about is anybody's guess. Planescape was one hell of a ride as was KotOR, but BioWare has written one hell of a story with the ME series (I really don't know what the problem is with game writers who can write an epic story, but then totally foul up the romance. I mean, they actually do have significant others right? Why is it that some of the greatest games have some of the cheesiest romances? Honestly, I think that a six year old could write a better romance than most of the romances in games. I think that ME2 was a step in the right direction with the addition of depth of character (Tali, Subject Zero). Of course, the exception to this was Williams' melt down on Horizon which tossed a monkey wrench into that LI for ME3. As games trend more toward the inclusion of the player in the story decisions, the development of characters and their personalities becomes ever more important. For this reason, NPCs need to be fleshed out and 3D with a substantive personality and romances only heighten this requirement.) and I still get a feeling of exhilaration when I play the climaxes of both games.
 
BioWare has proven that you can become emotionally invested in the game's story. They can play your emotions like an accomplished musician can play an instrument. The only question is, will you like the tune? I have great expectations for ME3 and I really believe that it is far too early to make a judgment on a game that hasn't even been released yet. Give it a chance and you may be surprised.

[CptData]

^ dunno. My Shep will have time to continue his romance with Ash. However, the mission is more important - if he can't stop the Reapers, there won't be a galaxy left to save and therefore there is no future for him and his LI.

However, you're partly right about story writers. ME1 was good, storywise AND when dealing with romances. ME2 lacks a decent story and crams your schedule with recruitment and loyalizing missions - tbh the romances don't distract Shepard that much than gathering squadmates and making them loyal. Also ME2 romances are too short - they only develop past loyalty mission of that certain squadmember and blossom too fast out of nowhere ...
ME3 won't have that, and I'm sure there's time for a romance as long as you can keep her (or him) with you.

[Arkitekt]

So the OP hasn't been banned yet for blatant homophobia?

What the hell is this ****? ME is filled with romance and somehow that's okay, until we get to see Sheploo kissing another man, and that is what pisses you off, and then you pretend you are not making an homophobic argument?

You really think we are stupid? Go hide in your closet, you and your prejudices already.

[Dreadwing 67]

OP you are among the most blind and stupid of people that plague this earth so much that I will purposely fail to save earth on one playthrough remembering people like you. "Mass Effect is trying to be like CoD" your an ignorant fool. May god have mercy on your soul.

Now then. I feel ME1 created a universe, ME2 expanded on that universe adding even more depth. Plot this, story missions that; it was entertaing and had so many great details that the "main story" was all the recruiting and loyalty missions on top of the collector arc.

Modifié par Dreadwing 67, 02 décembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[Il Divo]

CptData wrote...

ME2 didn't focus on "character relationships". ME1 did that far better, far more authentic and HAD a story.

The entire point of ME2's conversations and loyalty missions was to dive into those characters and to explore "what makes them tick". ME1's characters were probably Bioware's worst cast given examples like Tali and Kaidan, who don't develop or do much of anything. ME2 did it substantially better....with a cast of twelve characters and substantially better cinematic presentation.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 décembre 2011 - 02:25 .