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[Ghost-621]

Laser Beam wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...


This is pretty much my entire pet peeve since the announcement, and I STILL stand by it. How many people are going to be playing ME3's multiplayer on May 2012? Chances are only a dozen people or less. I know for damn sure I'd be burned out with MP by game #10 regardless of whether or not my buddies have the game.

I never thought about that. It would be a complete waste or resources/time if the multiplayer didn't last. And considering ME doesn't really attract big market MP players I can see it going that route.

Any idiot can see this coming (no offense intended for you in the slightest), ME is a "nerd lolz Im gon play cod nao luz" game. It's not going attract that crowd, no matter how much Bioware tries, it won't happen.

ME3 multiplayer is going to flop, and it's going to hurt the singleplayer experience. We all know that the waste of resources will hurt the story. "But itz maid bai diff teaaams!" It's the same funding that should've gone into the singleplayer my friends.

[DiebytheSword]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Laser Beam wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...


This is pretty much my entire pet peeve since the announcement, and I STILL stand by it. How many people are going to be playing ME3's multiplayer on May 2012? Chances are only a dozen people or less. I know for damn sure I'd be burned out with MP by game #10 regardless of whether or not my buddies have the game.

I never thought about that. It would be a complete waste or resources/time if the multiplayer didn't last. And considering ME doesn't really attract big market MP players I can see it going that route.

Any idiot can see this coming (no offense intended for you in the slightest), ME is a "nerd lolz Im gon play cod nao luz" game. It's not going attract that crowd, no matter how much Bioware tries, it won't happen.

ME3 multiplayer is going to flop, and it's going to hurt the singleplayer experience. We all know that the waste of resources will hurt the story. "But itz maid bai diff teaaams!" It's the same funding that should've gone into the singleplayer my friends.

Instead of working on your translations of internet slang, you should brush up on diminishing returns, and what it would mean applied to your argument about dumping the resources used in MP on SP.  While I agree with your assesment that ME3 is never going to capture a significant portion of CoD players, you need time to leverage additional resources, or resources do nothing to better the product.  Thus, if we are to argue that adding money and people from the ME MP team to ME SP, then we must also increase the time spent making the game.  It would be delayed significantly to use those resources.  This also ignores the fact that there are no writers on the ME MP team.  Programers and artists could be used, but then they also need things to program and render, which brings us back to writing.  The game was always going to be of a rough set length and quality, adding resources doesn't change that.

[Lunatic LK47]

DiebytheSword wrote...


The difference here is that with BSN integration on the coop experience you could literally come here and recruit someone to play a few Co-op rounds with you.  I can see the random hookups getting light, but that doens't mean you can't set up games with other BSN players.

At best, I'd only partner up with 20 something players, some of them from this board, and the others being friends I made on Twitter, just because I'm actually cool with them. Problem is not everyone will be as dedicated, or not everyone can play on the exact time slot, or I might want to do something else after my tenth match on ME3 MP. Already learned crap the hard way with Matrix Online, and I abandoned Halo 3 after getting that SPARTAN Officer achievement. Abandoned Halo Reach after finishing campaign on Legendary, and got burned out with the MP 2 months after release, and still refuse to play it. Gears of War: I gave up after doing a dozen+ matches with horde mode, and saw Team Deathmatch as completely pointless. Modern Warfare 2: Abandoned after hitting Colonel, and most of my friends have played something else.

Modifié par Lunatic LK47, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:08 .

[FieryDove]

Slidell505 wrote...

Casey also defended planet scanning and said allot of people liked it.

Well at least he no longer says *everyone* loves it. All mandatory mini-games can die for all I care. Just ugh.

[Lunatic LK47]

FieryDove wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Casey also defended planet scanning and said allot of people liked it.

Well at least he no longer says *everyone* loves it. All mandatory mini-games can die for all I care. Just ugh.

Now I'm having flashbacks of the Ebon Hawk's turret sections whenever I travel between planets.

[DiebytheSword]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...


The difference here is that with BSN integration on the coop experience you could literally come here and recruit someone to play a few Co-op rounds with you.  I can see the random hookups getting light, but that doens't mean you can't set up games with other BSN players.

At best, I'd only partner up with 20 something players, some of them from this board, and the others being friends I made on Twitter, just because I'm actually cool with them. Problem is not everyone will be as dedicated, or not everyone can play on the exact time slot, or I might want to do something else after my tenth match on ME3 MP. Already learned crap the hard way with Matrix Online, and I abandoned Halo 3 after getting that SPARTAN Officer achievement. Abandoned Halo Reach after finishing campaign on Legendary, and got burned out with the MP 2 months after release, and still refuse to play it. Gears of War: I gave up after doing a dozen+ matches with horde mode, and saw Team Deathmatch as completely pointless. Modern Warfare 2: Abandoned after hitting Colonel, and most of my friends have played something else.

You are quite correct in that it is not an ideal situation, but niether is it an optionless end game scenario.

[Lunatic LK47]

DiebytheSword wrote...

You are quite correct in that it is not an ideal situation, but niether is it an optionless end game scenario.

I'm a bit confused. What do you exactly mean by optionless end-game scenario?  I've seen videos of F.E.A.R. 3 being actually dead when a YouTube player tried to attempt the MP mode on July 2011. I also have had experiences with the recent Tom Clancy library being consistently dead with MP matches in general.

[DiebytheSword]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

You are quite correct in that it is not an ideal situation, but niether is it an optionless end game scenario.

I'm a bit confused. What do you exactly mean by optionless end-game scenario?  I've seen videos of F.E.A.R. 3 being actually dead when a YouTube player tried to attempt the MP mode on July 2011. I also have had experiences with the recent Tom Clancy library being consistently dead with MP matches in general.

My point was that yes, the game lobbies of bad MP games are always empty, but you should be able to find someone on BSN to play the game with.  People will be on here, even if they aren't in the game lobby.  While I prefer to play co-op games like L4D with people I know can do the job, I don't think it will be so bad to throw up a post saying "Who's down for some co-op?"

I know I'll be one PC co-op player who will always answer one of those threads with, "What time are you playing?"

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I wonder how Casey defends multiplayer to those who don't have a Gold subscription... 

That may sound like an initially silly question but consider this:

Gears allows for local multiplayer... why not Mass Effect?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:34 .

[DiebytheSword]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I wonder how Casey defends multiplayer to those who don't have a Gold subscription... 

That may sound like an initially silly question but consider this:

Gears allows for local multiplayer... why not Mass Effect?

That's a totally viable argument for people who play on the Xbox platform, but also a criticsm of Xbox in general.

[Savber100]

slimgrin wrote...

 "Our main goal is to ensure that everyone – long-time Mass Effect fans and players new to the series – are able to experience the absolute pinnacle of the Mass Effect experience as we bring Commander Shepard’s journey to a close. For new players that means the beginning, and the end, of a full-scale galactic war."

This is a bit worrisome to me. Possible compromises in the story maybe? Just so newbs can get the full experience? You want the full experience, play all three games.  <_<

For new players, it'll be like playing DA:O where we gather all the races for a final epic battle. I don't see how the story will be compromised since indeed ME3 is pretty much following the same structure. 

[Aggie Punbot]

Kamay wrote...

Bioware isn't stupid and won't alienate the fanbase that made them who they are (even with EA putting their fingers in everything), the ones who still believe in a good single-player experience.

Yes they will; they already have. They simply don't care.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 07 décembre 2011 - 01:35 .

[sympathyforsaren]

They don't care. As long as the new fanbase they want can shoot at things repeatedly and non-stop, that's all they care about. Need I remind everybody that there is a scene in this game that has Shepard shooting a railgun...at a Reaper.

Nuff said.

[OMTING52601]

OMG, Sympathy, I almost forgot about that scene! Maybe it's just that, a cutscene? A dream scape where Shep is actually sleeping and is awoken by Anderson right before the trial? LOL

Way upthread, a new poster asked about MP affecting SP and yet again pointed out the same thing a lot of us have, though it often gets ignored, which is the completely contradictory statements about MP/SP ties. And that's a really good point, about Box players who don't have Live, playing ME3. There wasn't, at least as shown in the leak, a local option. There was a quick match option, which seems kind of weird if it's all supposed to be co-op and not PvP.

Personally, I'm askairt about March. I'm really hoping my eighty bucks doesn't come back and ***ch slap me like it did with DA2. As to defending the MP, it's been said... Hudson can't come out and talk smack about it. He'd lose his job, EA would blow a gasket, and the PR/Marketing departments would convulse into apoplexy. The best way to find out about MP affect will be to start reading what's said by players and non-company related reviewers once the demo opens up, even then there will be a ton of 'well, this isn't the whole game...' CYA-ing in case the demo doesn't go over with potential players/current players as well as hoped.

[Heimdall]

So much negativity...

Well, I guess I can take solace in my diverse tastes and happily enjoy my DA:O, DA2 and ME2 while half of BSN moans about alienation and betrayal

[Xerxes52]

Personally, I'm fine with the inclusion of MP if it's done well (and judging by some leaked gameplay, it is).

The one thing that's necessary imo is an offline local mode (preferably with bot support filling in the empty slots). Too few games have this, while it should have been made an industry-wide mandate years ago.

[Gatt9]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Laser Beam wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...


This is pretty much my entire pet peeve since the announcement, and I STILL stand by it. How many people are going to be playing ME3's multiplayer on May 2012? Chances are only a dozen people or less. I know for damn sure I'd be burned out with MP by game #10 regardless of whether or not my buddies have the game.

I never thought about that. It would be a complete waste or resources/time if the multiplayer didn't last. And considering ME doesn't really attract big market MP players I can see it going that route.

Any idiot can see this coming (no offense intended for you in the slightest), ME is a "nerd lolz Im gon play cod nao luz" game. It's not going attract that crowd, no matter how much Bioware tries, it won't happen.

ME3 multiplayer is going to flop, and it's going to hurt the singleplayer experience. We all know that the waste of resources will hurt the story. "But itz maid bai diff teaaams!" It's the same funding that should've gone into the singleplayer my friends.

Instead of working on your translations of internet slang, you should brush up on diminishing returns, and what it would mean applied to your argument about dumping the resources used in MP on SP.  While I agree with your assesment that ME3 is never going to capture a significant portion of CoD players, you need time to leverage additional resources, or resources do nothing to better the product.  Thus, if we are to argue that adding money and people from the ME MP team to ME SP, then we must also increase the time spent making the game.  It would be delayed significantly to use those resources.  This also ignores the fact that there are no writers on the ME MP team.  Programers and artists could be used, but then they also need things to program and render, which brings us back to writing.  The game was always going to be of a rough set length and quality, adding resources doesn't change that.

I understand where you're coming from,  but there's three problems with your arguement though...

1.  ME3 was delayed significantly to implement Online Pass...err...Multiplayer.

2.  Adding resources does change that.  The current method of design for any given game is "Divide and Conquer".

3.  You could easily afford more writers if you weren't paying a duplicate lead programmer,  duplicate lead artist,  duplicate lead designer,  duplicate project lead,  etc.  This is the biggest problem with the whole thing,  not only did it take a chunk of the budget,  but a fair portion of that money would have gone to duplicated positions just to deliver a handful of multiplayer missions in a narrative driven single player game.

Which makes about as much sense as hiring a whole new director,  actors,  and film crew to put together a 15 minute comedy short,  and stuffing it in the middle of a Horror movie,  because Hangover sold alot of tickets so stuffing a comedy in anything will make a billion dollars.

None of this was ever about multiplayer,  it was always about used game sales.  As evidence,  check out the news in the last two weeks about DA3 getting multiplayer shoved in it ala ME3,  just in case anyone actually doubts that this wasn't an EA decision.

[OMTING52601]

Ah, not ala ME3, LOL. No, no IF DA3 has MP, it'll be PvP and PvE and we'll get to be DRAGONS.

If the rumor is true.

[greed89]

Adding Multiplayer didn't Hurt Assassins Creed in the Least, so i am Looking forward to Kicking ass with my friends.

[mauro2222]

No... it didn't hurt it.

Anyway, I'm more concerned about the internet connection 

Modifié par mauro2222, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:59 .

[DifferentD17]

I can't wait for a bad MP mode that we play for a couple of  minutes and we all go back to the SP.
Why is it that we can't play split screen? They clearly haven't been working on it that long.

Modifié par DifferentD17, 07 décembre 2011 - 05:17 .

[StephanieBengal]

I love how folks keep complaining, yet haven't gotten their own hands on the game. Opinions and assumptions are bound, mostly negative ones.

I'm not a big fan of MP, simply because playing games with people online simply doesn't appeal to me. Alas, I've always attempted to play a few if I find them interesting.

I'll certainly give MP a go in ME3, but my interest is the SP 100%. I guess unlike many here, until I play the game I don't see the reason for still ****ing at this point. Get over it, MP will be in ME3. Don't play MP, hell don't play ME3.

But to say it will take away from the SP experience, how do we know this? I've played plenty of games that have MP and the single player is just fine. It shows to me, that clearly a certain portion of this board don't or haven't played quality MP games.

But whatever, keep on griping.

[DifferentD17]

StephanieBengal wrote...

I love how folks keep complaining, yet haven't gotten their own hands on the game. Opinions and assumptions are bound, mostly negative ones.

I'm not a big fan of MP, simply because playing games with people online simply doesn't appeal to me. Alas, I've always attempted to play a few if I find them interesting.

I'll certainly give MP a go in ME3, but my interest is the SP 100%. I guess unlike many here, until I play the game I don't see the reason for still ****ing at this point. Get over it, MP will be in ME3. Don't play MP, hell don't play ME3.

But to say it will take away from the SP experience, how do we know this? I've played plenty of games that have MP and the single player is just fine. It shows to me, that clearly a certain portion of this board don't or haven't played quality MP games.

But whatever, keep on griping.

Why wouldn't we think it would take away from SP? They haven't been working on the game that long, and they've been wasting time with things like MP and Kinect. I've played every major MP games Battlefield, COD, Halo, GOW, etc, and not once did I think I can't wait to play the SP again. They've already said you'll be able to play MP instead of some side missions. What single player side missions did they put into ME3 to counter balance the MP? The most worrying thing is playing a stupid mini game like planet scanning, instead of MP.  It just feels like it's going to be a crappy version of GOW's Horde mode. Like Halo:ODST's Firefight.

Modifié par DifferentD17, 07 décembre 2011 - 05:34 .

[Aggie Punbot]

I assume that is what the demo is for: to allow people to decide whether or not to buy it before the game is actually released.

[greed89]

most the games you listed are FPS's made by FPS studios who by and large care about the FPS first and for most [thogh i disagree about the Halo SP not being deep I've played the Reach and halo 3 campaigns hundreds of times], and hence a fallacy.

Mass effect can only be compared to Assassins creed and Uncharted as far as similarities go

Hell , actual lay out of the MP should give you a clue, Your not capturing the flag, and killing eachother, if any thing this seems no diffrent from what  BW is doing with Old Republic. Story bassed multyplayer.

Modifié par greed89, 07 décembre 2011 - 05:38 .