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[Sasie]

TomY90 wrote...

They don't make RPG's and the traditional RPG is dying off slowly anyway, they are nowadays become a mix of games for instance mass effect is an Action RPG which they said that whilst developing mass effect 1.

Skyrim and the fallout series is not true RPG either they are now becoming adventure games with RPG mixed with it, deus ex is the same as well.

it is just how the game industry is nowadays they mix products together because you do get larger markets with having a mix than just being a pure RPG and they tend to be more engaging than the traditional RPG.

Best example around is Final Fantasy franchise as evidence that the traditional RPG is dying off because they are losing fans and sales and having to completely change the franchise to survive to the change in what people want from RPG's (they are adding a dialogue system now for instance) and slowly moving towards a Dragon Age style of gameplay. rather than the pokemon style of gameplay

I disagree strongly with the claim that Fallout New Vegas would be an adveture with RPG elements instead of a RPG. As for the topic at hand and Bioware their games are still RPG's but they are not traditional ones, they are
all action-RPG's these days. A better question I think would be to ask when Bioware is going to admit they really want to make a fullblown action game and attempt it for the first time. Sadly their combat isn't good enough for it but it's the only way they ever will get those sales they desire I imagine.

[Savber100]

DCarter wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

*shrugs*

Bioware has always been a game developer. The label of RPG developer was set by people who were ignorant enough to believe that Bioware would stay in a single genre.

So big deal... I don't care if Bioware makes good RPGs as long as they make good game.

Bingo.

Like I said on the previous page, a good game is a good game.

Genres are there to help people know which shelf to put the games on in a shop. They shouldn't be rigid structures for game development.

I agree but i still wish people would stop describing mass effect 2 as an RPG because it isn't. Mass effect 1 they can get away with. 

Oh it's an RPG alright... just a bad one. 

If anything, on a scale for RP, ME2 would probably be around 4/10 at most despite it still being my GOTY that year. 

It wasn't a good RPG but I loved it. Why does people just judge by b/w colors like "it's not a RPG therfore it's for dummies and COD fanboys" 

It's a sad. pathetic world we live in. <_<

[DeathDragon185]

this is why society is going downhill....

[Candidate 88766]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Bioware tells stories through games. That is what they've always done - put story ahead of gameplay and genre.

It just so happens that the easiest way to tell stories in games in the way Bioware wants to is through RPGs, or games that feature some traditional RPG features. That doesn't mean that every game Bioware makes has to adhere to some arbitrary game features checklist so it can be called an RPG. They realised with ME that while choices and customization suit the game, traditional RPG combat simply doesn't fit so they decided to use TPS mechanics.

Thats what Bioware does - they create stories and then choose gameplay mechanics that best serve that story, rather than choosing gameplay mechanics based on genre. I wish all developers were like this with game design - using mechanics that are suited to that individual game as opposed to using mechanics just for the sake of calling it a shooter or an RPG, which in the end are just arbitrary titles.

A good game is a good game regardless of genre.

somebody give you a ****ing medal already:innocent:

Haha thanks! 

If I put as much time/effort into my degree as I seem to on this forum then I'd be sailing through university.

[bleetman]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

When the difference between Call of Duty and Mass Effect become more distinguishable.

You know, when you make it this easy you ruin it for both of us.

[GMagnum]

aye wen will bioware admit 2 da murder of da dude who leak da demo??? i heard he gt thrown of a bridge n only casey hudon cn do dat sinc he on roids tbh

[SojournerN7]

Does Bioware have to admit that they don't make RPGs? No, they broaden the gaming experience by taking elements from old genres and creating a hybrid system that can tell a great story. Genre labelling should have gone out the window years ago.

People try to label Mass Effect as either an RPG w Shooter Elements or vice versa, but the truth is the whole idea of labelling a game under a certain genre label is very contricting and a moot concept as candidate and jreezy have mentioned.

The gaming industry is changing to accomodate a broader audiance. Either you need to get on-board, or jump off the train.

[GMagnum]

jreezy wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

aye wen will bioware admit 2 da murder of da dude who leak da demo??? i heard he gt thrown of a bridge n only casey hudon cn do dat sinc he on roids tbh

Nah GMagnum da dude dat leak da demo deserve a medal for gettin us hyped tbh

aye dat tru tbh i hop he happy up n heaven cuz he kno his sacrifice wus worth it  r.i.p homie tbh

[DeathDragon185]

jreezy wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Ah, debates about words.

Genius isn't it?

truly a perfect exmaple of the human race.

[Chuvvy]

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[Alex_SM]

Relating to the character you are playing is not something that defines an RPG. You can relate to the character in a shooter or an adventure game or any kind of game that spends enough time on the character.

Also game mechanics doesn't define an RPG. You could have one with FPS mechanics, with TPS mechanics, with RTS mechanics or even with Point and Click mechanics. It doesn't matter.

But there are a few things that an RPG should have, and the first one is freedom. Freedom doesn't necessary means "sandbox game", it can be a "free linear game". There should be different ways to interact to characters, different ways to evolve the characters, different ways to do the missions.  Freedom to choose how you are and how yo dou your stuff. 

Fallout and Fallout 2 are the quintessence of computer RPG, and that's not because they are isometric turn based games, that doesn't matter at all. They point is that they allow you to act in a lot of ways to every NPC, they allow you to do the missions in different ways (most of the times you don't even need to have weapons), allows you to make the character in extremely different ways... and still you can be successful with a non-combat character, with a heavy melee one, with a sniper, with a tech-geek that also carries a rocket launcher, etc...

Now add all of this to a story/character driven narrative style like the ME saga. The game would be massive, but if well done, it would also be a serious candidate to "Game of the History of Gaming".

Modifié par Alex_SM, 03 décembre 2011 - 01:30 .

[DeathDragon185]

Ok i am going to say it... I felt more immersed in call of duty modern warfare 3 than i did in fallout new vegas*activating aqua shield*

[CptBomBom00]

Why was this thread even created, I will never know, how nostalgic.

[CptBomBom00]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

Ok i am going to say it... I felt more immersed in call of duty modern warfare 3 than i did in fallout new vegas*activating aqua shield*

I love FO3, but FONV is a pure spinoff an dnothing more, also why did Bethseda even allowed Obsidian to do FONV, i will never know.

[AlexXIV]

I said it in another thread a while ago, it is an RPG because it is labeled so. No RPG seems to be like the other and you just don't have something of a definition that works for all. Maybe Bioware isn't making RPGs, maybe Bethesda isn't either, maybe neither Obsidian. Maybe all of them make RPGs.

I have theory, nobody really makes RPGs. There is not such thing as an RPG. There are only RPG elements. And if a video game possesses a certain amount of RPG elements, it's labelled RPG. So that makes Mass Effect and Fallout shooters with many RPG elements and Dragon Age and Skyrim hack and slash with  many RPG elements.

[Razagon]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Why was this thread even created, I will never know, how nostalgic.

This thread was created because OP tried to troll before and failed

exhibit 1

http://social.biowar...3/index/8775365

so he created second, more sucessive troll thread.

He stoped replying hours ago. All he needed to do was to write a post or two and watch a world come crashing down around him.

"Some people just like to watch the world burn."

[CrazyRah]

Oh my, this was interesting to read and somewhat hilarious.
As long as Bioware makes good games i'm fine.

[curly haired boy]

because trapping is a horrible thing to specialize in.

and shepard would rather specialize in punching.

[AlexXIV]

curly haired boy wrote...

because trapping is a horrible thing to specialize in.

and shepard would rather specialize in punching.

If only we could ... if only we could.

[CptBomBom00]

Razagon wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Why was this thread even created, I will never know, how nostalgic.

This thread was created because OP tried to troll before and failed

exhibit 1

http://social.biowar...3/index/8775365

so he created second, more sucessive troll thread.

He stoped replying hours ago. All he needed to do was to write a post or two and watch a world come crashing down around him.

"Some people just like to watch the world burn."

MU:O:O:O:O:O:O:OHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA I love how often people like OP try to Troll, but the second they try they fail.

[bleetman]

Alex_SM wrote...

Relating to the character you are playing is not something that defines an RPG. You can relate to the character in a shooter or an adventure game or any kind of game that spends enough time on the character..

Yes, but ultimately my ability to influence how that character interacts with the game is nonexistant. I can't role-play them under any definition of the term.

I mean, sure, I could headcanon an elaborate backstory for my mute soldier in Call of Duty or whatever, but given that my only interaction within the game involves 'use gun on man', it becomes utterly irrelevant to do so. You're little more than an observer to the actual story and/or events. I can't influence them or how my character responds to them in any meaningful way.

I can (and do) make up headcanon for my Shepards, my Hawkes, or my Wardens. I can decide what they think and feel about various topics. I can decide what happened to them before the game introduced them, how that would affect their decisions afterwards. More importantly, whilst Mass Effect doesn't allow total freedom of choice - I am, after all, always going to play an Alliance commander who ends up working for Cerberus, no matter how much I might want to not do any of those things - and thus I can't decide everything about everything, I'm given plenty of opportunity to work whatever personality I've conjured for my characters into the actual story and have it matter. I've plenty of scope to define who I'm playing as, and if I choose to do so, I've room to make that actual matter.

If I spend 40~ hours playing a character of joint creation between myself and the game, making narrative choices and reacting to events as I see fit within a predominatly story driven experience, yes. I'm going to call that an RPG. Whether or not I put points into Gymnastics or Lumberjacking is effectively transitory as far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par bleetman, 03 décembre 2011 - 01:50 .