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[TomY90]

android654 wrote...

Hear me now, quote me later.

If the leaks are accurate regarding the other four LI's, people will be pissed, and Bioware's going to be forced to do some DLC type of deal to bridge the gaps for those characters. In reality, having them as LIs and not including them to the same extent as Decteo was a bad move from the beginning. He'll, being selective with the perm squad was a move that didn't go down well anyway. This was a bad move for the team, abs they should've considered that when drafting the script.

Appeasing some fans and ignoring others never goes over well. This coupled with the DA2 fiasco and the audacity to announce three less than a year layer shows the developer stopped caring about the fan base a while ago.

I do understand why they had to narrow down the squad because all of them in ME2 can die and it is too many characters for one game to have. But if they made it that Tali and Garrus were also on the same boat as the other ME2 characters (by having the as temporary squad members) i think the ME2 fans overall would be more happy that they arent prioritising ME2 characters over eachother. (granted if you told them now there not Tali and garrus fans wont be happy)

but they shot themselves in the foot with prioritising the 2 most popular characters in the franchise because now they have to respond to the complaints of the fans of the other characters.

I know they listen to the fans but the issue is that they listened too much to the really big groups (tali and garrus fan group) not all of the other big groups whether its the Miranda fans, Jack fans, Thane, Jacob etc they shouldnt have prioritised characters like that such be more of what they can bring to the story.

Modifié par TomY90, 03 décembre 2011 - 02:28 .

[wright1978]

android654 wrote...

Hear me now, quote me later.

If the leaks are accurate regarding the other four LI's, people will be pissed, and Bioware's going to be forced to do some DLC type of deal to bridge the gaps for those characters. In reality, having them as LIs and not including them to the same extent as Decteo was a bad move from the beginning. He'll, being selective with the perm squad was a move that didn't go down well anyway. This was a bad move for the team, abs they should've considered that when drafting the script.

Appeasing some fans and ignoring others never goes over well. This coupled with the DA2 fiasco and the audacity to announce three less than a year layer shows the developer stopped caring about the fan base a while ago.

Yep if Bioware's eyes were too big for their stomach that's their fault.

[mineralica]

How exactly "-2 characters in team" will make the game more challenging? If you've let them die, you probably didn't use to pick them as squad either. For example, I was going to stick with Team Sentinels and pick some other squaddies just if I want to do something different. Of course, if it was "kill off Tali (Garrus) and get Miranda (Jacob) or Jack (Thane) in squad, it would be completely another story, but this wasn't going to happen anyway - in such case it's not much harder to get all of them into initial game.

Should all possible LI appear in game in equal role? Of course yes.

[Mims]

I like how BSN segregates fandoms into gangs, like this is all some sort of gang war. Where squadmate status equals a group 'won' or 'lost'. Plenty of "Tali/Garrus" fans want ME2 characters back.

But also keep in mind, a year ago, there was doubt that ANYONE [who could die] would come back.

[android654]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

F*ck Team Dextro!

That's what Shepard did.

And Bioware F*cked themselves.

wright1978 wrote...

Yep if Bioware's eyes were too big for their stomach that's their fault.

It was a High Risk Low Reward strategy. They took the vociferousness of Tali and Garrus fans to be evident of the fan base over all, but that's clearly not the case. Considering that BSN is a microcosm of the Fan base, shouldn't they have considered the gamers that don't come to this forum, and are more familiarized with ME2 than ME1's beginnings.

TomY90 wrote...

I do understand why they had to narrow down the squad because all of them in ME2 can die and it is too many characters for one game to have. But if they made it that Tali and Garrus were also on the same boat as the other ME2 characters (by having the as temporary squad members) i think the ME2 fans overall would be more happy that they arent prioritising ME2 characters over eachother. (granted if you told them now there not Tali and garrus fans wont be happy)

but they shot themselves in the foot with prioritising the 2 most popular characters in the franchise because now they have to respond to the complaints of the fans of the other characters.

I know they listen to the fans but the issue is that they listened too much to the really big groups (tali and garrus fan group) not all of the other big groups whether its the Miranda fans, Jack fans, Thane, Jacob etc they shouldnt have prioritised characters like that such be more of what they can bring to the story.

I agree, and perhaps having only 4 LI's would have been more manageable come ME3, but what did was effectively cut off 4 fan bases along with the fan bases for Mordin, Grunt, Kasumi, Zaeed, Samara and Legion by giving the whole cast only a mission.

They planned this thinking this is what the majority of the fan base wanted in ME3, but they're going to have a very rude awakening come next March and the non BSN fans come to realize that they're playing ME1 with new characters taking the place of their favs from ME2 as well as Wrex.

[Ticktank]

I've posted this idea in another thread, and its obviously too late for BW to even consider it, but what the heck:

I'm fine if they limited the max squad size to 6. But they should have allowed for some flexibility instead of turning EVERY ME2 squaddie (except Bob and Bambi) into footnotes.

It'd have been great if it went this way, IMO:

- Vega, Liara, EDI and the VS are mandatory.

- Early into the game, after the compulsory/tutorial missions are over, every ME2 squaddie that's still alive will have their own 'character mission' (e.g. Quarian & Geth war for Tali) available for Shepard to join. Completing the first two of such missions will allow you to recruit their respective character. All subsequent character missions will no longer allow you to do so. Relationships with a ME2 LI can only proceed if he/she joins your squad.

[Edit] Or for some missions, put in two recruitable characters with the option to only pick one. Storyline wise, its not hard to write:

Quarian War = Tali or Legion
Citadel assassination = Kasumi or Thane
I'm going after daddy = Miranda or Jacob
Tuchanka = Mordin or Grunt

This would have pleased just about everyone, and skyrocketed ME3's replay value. Squad banter becomes more tedious to write because of the permutations, but they had 2.5 years to do it.

Modifié par Ticktank, 03 décembre 2011 - 02:57 .

[Burneye Is God]

it would be garrus or kasumi accordiing to mass effect 2 deleted scenes?

[alex90c]

android654 wrote...

Hear me now, quote me later.

If the leaks are accurate regarding the other four LI's, people will be pissed, and Bioware's going to be forced to do some DLC type of deal to bridge the gaps for those characters. In reality, having them as LIs and not including them to the same extent as Dextro was a bad move from the beginning. Hell, being selective with the perm squad was a move that didn't go down well anyway. This was a bad move for the team, and they should've considered that when drafting the script.

Appeasing some fans and ignoring others never goes over well. This coupled with the DA2 fiasco and the audacity to announce three less than a year layer shows the developer stopped caring about the fan base a while ago.

Edit: Auto correct messed up the content.

Yes, they are actually going to be forced to do some DLC. Yeah. Sure. Just how after people who romanced the VS got screwed over on Horizon they were "forced" to do some DLC for them. 

I'd hardly say Bioware putting in team dextro due to their popularity is "[not] caring about the fan base" either, that's just you, as in, not the fan base, being bitter because the characters you like the most aren't getting the attention you feel they deserve. Bioware putting Tali and Garrus in (while Tali wasn't originally even meant to be in) actually shows that they do give a damn about their fanbase since she's a very popular character and they've shown they care by making her permanent (or at least 'permanent' in ME3 terms) .

tl;dr you're bitter your favourite characters aren't full ME3 squaddies

[naledgeborn]

It is irritating. The blatant favoritism shown to Liara, Garrus, and Tali has steadily warped my ambivalence into straight-up antipathy.

Miranda, Jack, Jacob, and Thane deserve better/more. Ashley and Kaidan get a pass after Horizon and Wrex is cool by default. The rest of the original Mass Effect team is on my ****list.

Edit: Especially Liara. I want to watch the character burn in the 9000th depth of Asari HFIL.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 03 décembre 2011 - 03:48 .

[MassStorm]

naledgeborn wrote...

It is irritating. The blatant favoritism shown to Liara, Garrus, and Tali has steadily warped my ambivalence into straight-up antipathy.

Miranda, Jack, Jacob, and Thane deserve better/more. Ashley and Kaidan get a pass after Horizon and Wrex is cool by default. The rest of the original Mass Effect team is on my ****list.

Edit: Especially Liara. I want to watch the character burn in the 9000th depth of Asari HFIL.

Well now you feel happy? Have you accomplished something?  It is for fans like you that Tali, Liara and Garrus are in ME3 and the others are left to mere sidequest. Whiner

[Ticktank]

naledgeborn wrote...

It is irritating. The blatant favoritism shown to Liara, Garrus, and Tali has steadily warped my ambivalence into straight-up antipathy.

Miranda, Jack, Jacob, and Thane deserve better/more. Ashley and Kaidan get a pass after Horizon and Wrex is cool by default. The rest of the original Mass Effect team is on my ****list.

Edit: Especially Liara. I want to watch the character burn in the 9000th depth of Asari HFIL.

Leave the brain squid alone!

[naledgeborn]

@ MassStorm

Umm go **** yourself? Internet forum. For posting opinions yeah. Let me mines be buddy?

Modifié par naledgeborn, 03 décembre 2011 - 03:51 .

[alex90c]

naledgeborn wrote...

It is irritating. The blatant favoritism shown to Liara, Garrus, and Tali has steadily warped my ambivalence into straight-up antipathy.

Miranda, Jack, Jacob, and Thane deserve better/more. Ashley and Kaidan get a pass after Horizon and Wrex is cool by default. The rest of the original Mass Effect team is on my ****list.

Edit: Especially Liara. I want to watch the character burn in the 9000th depth of Asari HFIL.

Eh, you can whine all you want but Liara will be a permanent squadmate in ME3 and nothing you do can stop that 

[naledgeborn]

alex90c wrote...

Eh, you can whine all you want but Liara will be a permanent squadmate in ME3 and nothing you do can stop that 

**** Liara. And the saddest thing about this whole exchange is that she's my canon ME1 LI. Let that stew a bit. 

[Ticktank]

naledgeborn wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Eh, you can whine all you want but Liara will be a permanent squadmate in ME3 and nothing you do can stop that 

**** Liara. And the saddest thing about this whole exchange is that she's my canon ME1 LI. Let that stew a bit. 

Don't worry. I'm sure BW's going to do up a Miranda DLC like LoTSB was for Liara. Don't know what they'll call it though.

"This Is It" maybe?

[naledgeborn]

Clever, I'm crying on the inside, really. Tearing up too, I might take a picture of it later an post for you.

[alex90c]

naledgeborn wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Eh, you can whine all you want but Liara will be a permanent squadmate in ME3 and nothing you do can stop that 

**** Liara. And the saddest thing about this whole exchange is that she's my canon ME1 LI. Let that stew a bit. 

I suppose if she's your canon LI then your Shepard did **** Liara 

Ticktank wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Eh, you can whine all you want but Liara will be a permanent squadmate in ME3 and nothing you do can stop that 

**** Liara. And the saddest thing about this whole exchange is that she's my canon ME1 LI. Let that stew a bit. 

Don't worry. I'm sure BW's going to do up a Miranda DLC like LoTSB was for Liara. Don't know what they'll call it though. 

"This Is It" maybe?

I see what you did there 

Modifié par alex90c, 03 décembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[S.A.K]

DLC for other ME2 squad mates? I don't think so. What if they are dead in someones playthrough?

[TomY90]

S.A.K wrote...

DLC for other ME2 squad mates? I don't think so. What if they are dead in someones playthrough?

well its there loss and our gain for actually keeping them alive and plus it was not what you call hard to keep them all alive.

or just have it if that character is not alive you can still do the mission but without the people and dialogue so you do not lose the mission just dialogue.

also they know such specific DLC can be successful but i doubt they will do it for all of the ME2 character most likely ones that are the most popular or those that have the most potential for a great mission.

they could do a combo with more than one ME2 character as a DLC (e.g. 1 or 2 missions with 2 Temp Squad members as full)

E.g.

Miranda and Jacob by having a Anti-Cerberus mission DLC.

Modifié par TomY90, 03 décembre 2011 - 04:50 .

[TomY90]

DOUBLE POST

Modifié par TomY90, 03 décembre 2011 - 04:42 .

[Ticktank]

S.A.K wrote...

DLC for other ME2 squad mates? I don't think so. What if they are dead in someones playthrough?

A small matter IMO. A person isn't restricted to one playthrough. And chances are, most people's playthroughs will have many if not all squaddies surviving.

[naledgeborn]

I don't take you ****s seriously because it's very easy for you not to be on the receiving end. If for some reason the roster were switched around I bet the Talimancers and Liara/Garrus-shippers would be rioting outside of Edmonton.

[spirosz]

You guys really have to stop making countless "I want "x" squadmate for ME3" threads. There are support threads for a reason, which obviously include wanting "x" squadmate for ME3. This is just as bad as saying "x" member is ****ty, or doesn't deserve a spot in ME3.