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[alex90c]

naledgeborn wrote...

Are you toooo sloooooowwwww tooooo coooommmmprrrreeeeheeeeennnnd? Do I have to break it down for you?

I don't need "you made a mistake" broken down any further actually.

Also, your attempt at saving face failed miserably.

[naledgeborn]

Get off my dick, how about that? For someone with so little influence you seem to be spending a lot of time responding to my comments.

[Vilio1]

naledgeborn wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Like they pandered to the biggest support-group on this forum and the ongoing petitions for this one character to be a permanent squadmate? (Miranda)

Let me know how that turns out.

So you're satisfied that Jack is second stringer? I get it good for you. Guess what I'm unsatisfied. So let me continue being unsatisfied in the vain attempt that it might change something. Fair enough? 

Yeah, insulting Liara fans and your announcement to kill ME3 squadmates will certainly bring Miranda back. Good luck with that.

[goofyomnivore]

IsaacShep wrote...

Kaidan's in the game because he's an amazing character, simple

Kaidan is the man, I agree. However the masses don't agree, and he is lucky to be attached to Ashley.

[Labrev]

naledgeborn wrote...

You're kidding yourself if you think the designers aren't biased with their favorites. The only instance where I can safely point and say in-house favoritism hasn't effected the story is in the case of Jack. And maybe TIM, but he's not a squad member.

Playing favorites and fan-pandering and two completely different things, aren't they?

[naledgeborn]

Vilio1 wrote...

Yeah, insulting Liara fans and your announcement to kill ME3 squadmates will certainly bring Miranda back. Good luck with that.

Thanks for repeating what the last two pages have been telling me. Feel better now that it's off your chest?

[alex90c]

naledgeborn wrote...

Get off my dick, how about that? For someone with so little influence you seem to be spending a lot of time responding to my comments.

But I'm not riding your dick at all, I'm just sitting on my computer chair with my machine behind me.

My machine ... behind ... me 

[naledgeborn]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Playing favorites and fan-pandering and two completely different things, aren't they?

Fair enough. Doesn't mean their favorites have to be my favorites which seems to be the current trend following the Mass Effect: Genesis comic.

[Labrev]

naledgeborn wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Playing favorites and fan-pandering and two completely different things, aren't they?

Fair enough. Doesn't mean their favorites have to be my favorites which seems to be the current trend following the Mass Effect: Genesis comic.

lol true. I don't hate Liara, but wow. 

[goofyomnivore]

Liara's background/role is pretty relevant/pivotal to the plot, so of course she is going to get plot armor and extensive fleshing out.

I don't think it is favoritism she is just goddam important through the design of the plot.

[DonutsDealer]

I still don't understand the fangroups fights. I understand you can pissed off, but that is childish. Ok, your favourite characters aren't perma-squaddies, I'm sorry for you, but why do you blame team-dextro and Liara fans? You should say: "Nice for you guys", not bash them and the character. At least that how mature people act.

Also, let me check: Liara, Garrus, Tali. All ME1 squaddies. Have you thought that maybe the favouritsm is to all ME1 squaddies?

[naledgeborn]

strive wrote...

Liara's background/role is pretty relevant/pivotal to the plot, so of course she is going to get plot armor and extensive fleshing out.

I don't think it is favoritism she is just goddam important through the design of the plot.

Right. She said one word - Illos - and she's become the Paragon of Plot Armor. Nope, no favoritism there at all. None whatsoever. Shiala on the other hand is a minor character despite being the only other person who can speak Prothean.

[Korkki]

naledgeborn wrote...

Right. She said one word - Illos

please tell me, who recovered Shepard's body?

[naledgeborn]

And what would that have meant if he weren't brought back to life? And more importantly why her? Why not an Alliance agent? Or the VS?

Oh that's right they needed a way to give her plot armor.

[Korkki]

naledgeborn wrote...

And what would that have meant if he weren't brought back to life? And more importantly why her? Why not an Alliance agent? Or the VS?

Oh that's right they needed a way to give her plot armor.

If Liara hadn't brought Shepard back to life there would be no ME2 and 3 you know, Shepard kinda is the character you're playing. Shep was KIA/MIA for Alliance, why would they go after one dead soldier and they didn't even have the technology/funds Lazarus project required. And VS was with the alliance, a normal marine, he/she had a job to do and that job was not to look for Shepard's body.

Modifié par Korkki, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:48 .

[naledgeborn]

No you're mistaking what I'm saying. Firstly: it was Miranda/Wilson/TIM who brought Shepard back to life. Secondly: Shepard dying to start over in Mass Effect 2 is bad storytelling... and it's pretty much not an opinion. Thirdly: without that story arc what would Liara be doing? Absolutely nothing. So the writers had to ass-pull a way to make their precious Liara relevant again. Because after she said Illos in Mass Effect she became useless to the plot. Fourth: Wouldn't it be more appropriate and logical that the military would you know...try to get one of their KIA operatives and give them a proper burial deserving of a hero? The current USAF have agents trained for precisely that sort thing. It's called Pararescue. I should know.

So what can concluded is that Liara had 0 relevance to Mass Effect after Sovereign was destroyed. So they made her A LOT more important because, I suspect, she's the in house favorite.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:57 .

[Korkki]

naledgeborn wrote...

No you're mistaking what I'm saying. Firstly: it was Miranda/Wilson/TIM who brought Shepard back to life.

True, Miranda was in charge of the Lazarus team and Wilson was chief medical tech, but it was Liara who recovered the body.

Secondly: Shepard dying to start over in Mass Effect 2 is bad storytelling... and it's pretty much not an opinion.

Well I guess that has nothing to do with so called Liara "favoritism", which was the subject we were talking about here I think.

Thirdly: without that story arc what would Liara be doing? Absolutely nothing. So the writers had to ass-pull a way to make their precious Liara relevant again. Because after she said Illos in Mass Effect she became useless to the plot.

Well, Liara did that body recovering and she's now the SB providing vital information for Shepard. And tell me how are for example Miranda, Garrus, Thane, Samara or Jack "usefull" if we're thinking about the plot here. And don't get me wrong, I like all of them, well Jack and Miranda not that much, but they're still neutral characters for me, I definitely don't hate them. Sad but true not all characters can have the equal ammount of screen time, not even all the characters I like.

Fourth: Wouldn't it be more appropriate and logical that the military would you know...try to get one of their KIA operatives and give them a proper burial deserving of a hero? The current USAF have agents trained for precisely that sort thing. It's called Pararescue. I should know.

If you're part of the Pararescue yourself, you're doing great and important work and I honor that. I'm also familiar with this no one gets left behind-consept, but this however is not US Army, USAF, USN, USMC, RAF, IDF, FDF or any other sort of armed forces we know, this is the Alliance, fictional space army and we can't know what their procedures are when it comes to retrieving bodies of dead soldiers. You are right that maybe there would've been some kind of logic if the Alliance had investigated that Normandy wreck and searched for KIAs but then again, they'd have only buried Shepard and that would've been the end of ME trilogy. And even if it should be "no one gets left behind" there are still dead soldiers left on the battlefields even today.

[Skullheart]

Korkki wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Right. She said one word - Illos

please tell me, who recovered Shepard's body?

That was just pandering Liara.

Cerberus would recover Shep's body by another sources. Feron was a Cerberus agent (dont remember if he was a double or triple agent).

It would be better if Garrus and his tam recovered Shepard's body in Omega instead Liara (she isn't the same character).

[CerberusWarrior]

If Miranda is not on the squad I'm calling Bioware out on its bull sh*t

[Ryzaki]

Honestly I would've been fine with all shep's squaddies getting blown to bits in the first five minutes as long as I could play ME3 and awesome characters replaced them.

Annoyed but I'd gotten over it.

The sidelining is kind of irkesome though. And the new squaddies that are not even necessary and don't make any sense are even worse.

[Asch Lavigne]

These threads pop up more and more each day.

[Exia001]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

If Miranda is not on the squad I'm calling Bioware out on its bull sh*t

As will all the other fanboys/girls do if their favourite character isnt a squadie or has a large role
Grow up

[Asch Lavigne]

Exia001 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

If Miranda is not on the squad I'm calling Bioware out on its bull sh*t

As will all the other fanboys/girls do if their favourite character isnt a squadie or has a large role
Grow up

There is going to be so much rage after this game comes out for three reasons.

1. X Character was not a permanent squadmate.
2. X Character was not a romance option even though they were only in the game for ten minutes and that's not enough time to develop a relationship.
3. X Character was not all of a sudden gay and  romanceable by my Shep.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I would like all squadmates in previous games to be in ME3.

With Miranda, she was so plot essential in ME2 that I imagine they just have a spoiler-ific role for her. The leak doesn't mean everything is set in stone. With TIM running amok, and the chance to have an unloyal Miranda alive, I imagine that she can either go renegade with Shepard, or stay as TIM's right hand.

Jack already has a mission set out for her. And it sounds pretty cool to be honest. And the same with Thane. They are both going to be temporary squadmates.

But there is no point on hating Team Dextro for their continued support throughout the games, when you have the option to kill them both. Don't want them in ME3? Then there is impalement, rocket to the face, vapourised in vents, taken by the bees, slammed under a great metal wall. Take your pic.

I don't understand what all this hatred towards them means, when you can make your game have more screentime of your favourite squaddies than good ol' Team Dextro. Because they can't get much screentime as corpses.

/rant

[Ieldra]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
I would like all squadmates in previous games to be in ME3.

They will be. How, that's the question.

With Miranda, she was so plot essential in ME2 that I imagine they just have a spoiler-ific role for her. The leak doesn't mean everything is set in stone. With TIM running amok, and the chance to have an unloyal Miranda alive, I imagine that she can either go renegade with Shepard, or stay as TIM's right hand.

I think it's pretty much set in stone she won't stay with Cerberus. Otherwise, I don't expect big changes from the leak but I do expect some additions. That she'll be on the team after "her" mission is still remotely possible but I don't think it'll happen.   

Jack already has a mission set out for her. And it sounds pretty cool to be honest. And the same with Thane. They are both going to be temporary squadmates.

I doubt it. There will be a mission each of them takes a part in, but not as controllable squadmates.

But there is no point on hating Team Dextro for their continued support throughout the games, when you have the option to kill them both. Don't want them in ME3? Then there is impalement, rocket to the face, vapourised in vents, taken by the bees, slammed under a great metal wall. Take your pic.

I don't understand what all this hatred towards them means, when you can make your game have more screentime of your favourite squaddies than good ol' Team Dextro. Because they can't get much screentime as corpses.

The problem is that killing Team Dextro doesn't give characters not on the team more screentime. I hate Team Dextro because they have the same problem as the other ME2 team members - they can die - and are still favored over the others. It's the unfairness that gets us riled up.

Having said that, having characters not on the team opens some interesting storytelling possibilities, for instance offscreen story arcs running parallel to Shepard's path and intersecting his story at key points. But there still has to be enough screen presence for those characters to make their stories come to life and give satisfying closure to them.