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[Harmless Citizen]

I won't go into details, but having prominent mammaries does not make one female. 

Asari also chose female alien voices in their translators to enhance their sexual control over other species (who are all more or less male-dominant). For all we know, their real voices could sound like frogs.

All of this is true, but it requires meta-analysation. From Shepard's perspective, (unless played as a romantic asexual) if s/he is sexually attracted to asari (who look very much like blue women with uncomfortably tight cornrows), then it follows that s/he is attracted to women. It wouldn't be a straight/lesbian relationship in the technical sense, but the attraction would be.

[shepskisaac]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

let's just subscribe it to the same reasons as the popularity of lesbian porn.

I did that the day I first played ME1. It just couldn't be anymore obvious to me that this was a male wet fantasy race.

BlueMagitek wrote...

Not everyone.

Most will though. That's also part of realism. If we're going for realistic human reactions, than many of Shep's potential LIs should act like that. Many shouldn't overanalyze trying to justify every action that doesn't fit their morality system. And then, we haven't even discussed the entire "I love you no matter hopw ugly you are" thing. Another unrealistic aspect.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 03 décembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[Blze001]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Sex with Asari = oysters.

I'm never going to be able to eat oysters the same way again 

I think FemShep is just fine in the LI department, personally. Then again, I'm a huge Liara fan, so there's that tainting (heh... taint...) my opinion.

[AngelicMachinery]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Random Nobody wrote...

I won't go into details, but having prominent mammaries does not make one female. 

Asari also chose female alien voices in their translators to enhance their sexual control over other species (who are all more or less male-dominant). For all we know, their real voices could sound like frogs.

All of this is true, but it requires meta-analysation. From Shepard's perspective, (unless played as a romantic asexual) if s/he is sexually attracted to asari (who look very much like blue women with uncomfortably tight cornrows), then it follows that s/he is attracted to women. It wouldn't be a straight/lesbian relationship in the technical sense, but the attraction would be.

True to an extent, but not entirely. Allow me to make a crude analogy:

Sex with Human male = duck.

Sex with Human female = scallops.

Sex with Asari = oysters.

You can talk about what is seafood or not and what is Kosher or not, but in the end they remain three distinct dishes, and any similarities observed are a matter of opinion.

Not true,  an attraction to Asari suggests an attraction to the feminine gender.  People can suggest that asari are not of the human female sex,  but,  everything about them suggests that they are point in fact a member of the feminine gender. 

[AngelicMachinery]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

^ Oysters are supposed to have some universal erotic appeal. Hence my analogy.

I see...

But,  I don't think it's particularly apt.  Asari atleast as presented are not universally appealling to all comers.  They are only physically attractive to individuals who find the female form sexually attractive. 

[BlueMagitek]

IsaacShep wrote...

Most will though. That's also part of realism. If we're going for realistic human reactions, than many of Shep's potential LIs should act like that. Many shouldn't overanalyze trying to justify every action that doesn't fit their morality system. And then, we haven't even discussed the entire "I love you no matter hopw ugly you are" thing. Another unrealistic aspect.

It isn't overanalyzing to realize that the Rachni were dangerous, and when they were first loose on the galaxy, they ran rampant through the galaxy with no communication or attempt at negotiations.  The vast majority of Paragon or Renegade choices can be justified without an in depth analysis.  And yes, there should be more restrictions on on how the LI views you.  I agree.

As for the ugly thing, that's just one of the flaws that comes with a character creator; sure, you could implement a system to check for certain scales on the character creator, but it'd be much easier to just limit the options on the CC than to implement it. 

iOnlySignIn wrote...

^ The point of my analogy is that
people consider oyster and scallops similar because they are both
seafood. Non-Kosher. Mollusks. etc etc. That does not make them the
same.

Oysters are supposed to have some universal erotic appeal. I apologize if I ruined anyone's appetite.

Oysters are supposed to increase libido.

[kumquats]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

^ The point of my analogy is that people consider oyster and scallops similar because they are both seafood. Non-Kosher. Mollusks. etc etc. That does not make them the same.

Oysters are supposed to have some universal erotic appeal. I apologize if I ruined anyone's appetite.

I love Angels on Horseback.
Delicious.

My suggestion would be, femShep should have this romance I love Carth
Of course make him available for both genders. Doesn't change the fact that Carth is indeed the best male romance BW ever created.
No discussion, it's a fact in my universe and no one else is welcome in my universe.

[shepskisaac]

BlueMagitek wrote...

It isn't overanalyzing to realize that the Rachni were dangerous, and when they were first loose on the galaxy, they ran rampant through the galaxy with no communication or attempt at negotiations.  The vast majority of Paragon or Renegade choices can be justified without an in depth analysis.  And yes, there should be more restrictions on on how the LI views you.  I agree.

Have you seen how many debates there were on BSN and elsewhere on the internet what was moral t do and what wasn't regarding many ME choices? So no, it ain't that simple. The fact remains, the potential LIs ignore heavily what Shep does, representes and stands for. It ain't realistic, and haven't been in previous BioWare games either. LIs in BioWare games were always fun additions. They had lots of dialogues & cutscenes (much more than romances in Fable or Skyrim) but the core concept was the same, it was still just an addition to enhance the game & made available for everyone, except for gay players for no good reason.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 03 décembre 2011 - 11:44 .

[slimgrin]

So many flares get tossed out when discussing the bi-button. Nothing but distractions from the real issue.

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 décembre 2011 - 12:12 .

[shepskisaac]

slimgrin wrote...

So many many flares get tossed out when discussing the bi-button. Nothing but distractions from the real issue.

Such as?

[kumquats]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...
That happened the last few times I started a thread.

It's a troll topic. But I hate it if that happenes to really good thread.

[slimgrin]

IsaacShep wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

So many many flares get tossed out when discussing the bi-button. Nothing but distractions from the real issue.

Such as?

Such as all sides of an issue being covered through obligation or avoided alltogether.. where is Bioware's voice in all this?

[kumquats]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I love Angels on Horseback.
Delicious.

My suggestion would be, femShep should have this romance I love Carth

But Bastila is more fun to tease. Shame you can't tease FemShep. XD XD XD

xD

The only Problem with Bastila is: "Mimimi don't go to the Dark Side, mimimi."
Of course I went to the Dark Side, just to make her angry.

But my point stands. Kotor romances should be the standard for ME3 = epic.

[BlueMagitek]

IsaacShep wrote...

Have you seen how many debates there were on BSN and elsewhere on the internet what was moral t do and what wasn't regarding many ME choices? So no, it ain't that simple. The fact remains, the potential LIs ignore heavily what Shep does, representes and stands for. It ain't realistic, and haven't been in previous BioWare games either. LIs in BioWare games were always fun additions. They had lots of dialogues & cutscenes (much more than romances in Fable or Skyrim) but the core concept was the same, it was still just an addition to enhance the game & made available for everyone, except for gay players for no good reason.

The thing is, we aren't the ones on the front line, so to speak, and the moral choice isn't always the right one, but as I said, the vast majority of both Paragon and Renegade descisions are justifiable.   It is that simple.

No good reason?  Bioware recieved flack for just having a partial nudity scene.  Ridiculous, yes, but they clearly don't want to deal with it (hence the change of pace, so to speak).  Imagine the outburst they'd get if it was suddenly seen by the ignorant media as one depicted entirely for gay people.

I have no issue with them adding a completely homosexual character; having differences between the genders is a good thing; it adds to the experience.

[Blacklash93]

"Gay" sex may be all the rage

Depends on your definition of "rage". I've seen plenty of that regarding this.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 04 décembre 2011 - 12:51 .

[HiroVoid]

IsaacShep wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

It isn't overanalyzing to realize that the Rachni were dangerous, and when they were first loose on the galaxy, they ran rampant through the galaxy with no communication or attempt at negotiations.  The vast majority of Paragon or Renegade choices can be justified without an in depth analysis.  And yes, there should be more restrictions on on how the LI views you.  I agree.

Have you seen how many debates there were on BSN and elsewhere on the internet what was moral t do and what wasn't regarding many ME choices? So no, it ain't that simple. The fact remains, the potential LIs ignore heavily what Shep does, representes and stands for. It ain't realistic, and haven't been in previous BioWare games either. LIs in BioWare games were always fun additions. They had lots of dialogues & cutscenes (much more than romances in Fable or Skyrim) but the core concept was the same, it was still just an addition to enhance the game & made available for everyone, except for gay players for no good reason.

You're right on this point.  A romance(or any squadmate) really should have the option to dislike you depending on your actions.  Tali's is the most obvious with certain choices like giving over the quarian at the beginning of the game.  It reminds me in Alpha Protocol, how if a certain character hates you, she'll bring up every thing you've done that she despises.

[Wulfram]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I see...

But,  I don't think it's particularly apt.  Asari atleast as presented are not universally appealling to all comers.  They are only physically attractive to individuals who find the female form sexually attractive. 

In universe, they're attractive to Hanar.  If they can manage that, they can probably manage to attract across normal gender preferences.

[AngelicMachinery]

Wulfram wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I see...

But,  I don't think it's particularly apt.  Asari atleast as presented are not universally appealling to all comers.  They are only physically attractive to individuals who find the female form sexually attractive. 

In universe, they're attractive to Hanar.  If they can manage that, they can probably manage to attract across normal gender preferences.

Illogical unless Asari are some sort of eldritch abomination which represents as the pinacle of sexion attraction to all that view them.  As of yet I see no proof of this...  and point in fact I've seen between either groups in ME or ME2.

[Ziggy]

 

iOnlySignIn wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I love Angels on Horseback. 
Delicious.

My suggestion would be, femShep should have this romance I love Carth

But Bastila is more fun to tease. Shame you can't tease FemShep. XD XD XD

:wub:Bastila is such a great character! And kudos to Jennifer Hale as well. It is a shame they don't put more light hearted funny stuff like that in ME.

Modifié par Em23, 04 décembre 2011 - 01:08 .