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[Laser Beam]

BlueMagitek wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Have you seen how many debates there were on BSN and elsewhere on the internet what was moral t do and what wasn't regarding many ME choices? So no, it ain't that simple. The fact remains, the potential LIs ignore heavily what Shep does, representes and stands for. It ain't realistic, and haven't been in previous BioWare games either. LIs in BioWare games were always fun additions. They had lots of dialogues & cutscenes (much more than romances in Fable or Skyrim) but the core concept was the same, it was still just an addition to enhance the game & made available for everyone, except for gay players for no good reason.

The thing is, we aren't the ones on the front line, so to speak, and the moral choice isn't always the right one, but as I said, the vast majority of both Paragon and Renegade descisions are justifiable.   It is that simple.

No good reason?  Bioware recieved flack for just having a partial nudity scene.  Ridiculous, yes, but they clearly don't want to deal with it (hence the change of pace, so to speak).  Imagine the outburst they'd get if it was suddenly seen by the ignorant media as one depicted entirely for gay people.

I have no issue with them adding a completely homosexual character; having differences between the genders is a good thing; it adds to the experience.

I really don't buy that "BioWare doesn't want to take heat" arguement. You know how many controversial games are out there (Ever heard of Saints Row)? There are more men to marry (****** and Hetero) in Skyrim. You don't see the media picking that apart (granted, that is merely a small example). I don't think BioWare is trying to impress the Catholic Church directly, so the fact that they don't want to be targeted by the media is silly.

Modifié par Laser Beam, 04 décembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[Ziggy]

Besides, there's no such thing as bad publicity. I can't imagine a headline of "naked sex scenes in mass effect!!" would have hurt sales...

[BlueMagitek]

Laser Beam wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Have you seen how many debates there were on BSN and elsewhere on the internet what was moral t do and what wasn't regarding many ME choices? So no, it ain't that simple. The fact remains, the potential LIs ignore heavily what Shep does, representes and stands for. It ain't realistic, and haven't been in previous BioWare games either. LIs in BioWare games were always fun additions. They had lots of dialogues & cutscenes (much more than romances in Fable or Skyrim) but the core concept was the same, it was still just an addition to enhance the game & made available for everyone, except for gay players for no good reason.

The thing is, we aren't the ones on the front line, so to speak, and the moral choice isn't always the right one, but as I said, the vast majority of both Paragon and Renegade descisions are justifiable.   It is that simple.

No good reason?  Bioware recieved flack for just having a partial nudity scene.  Ridiculous, yes, but they clearly don't want to deal with it (hence the change of pace, so to speak).  Imagine the outburst they'd get if it was suddenly seen by the ignorant media as one depicted entirely for gay people.

I have no issue with them adding a completely homosexual character; having differences between the genders is a good thing; it adds to the experience.

I really don't buy that "BioWare doesn't want to take heat" arguement. You know how many controversial games are out there (Ever heard of Saints Row)? There are more men to marry (****** and Hetero) in Skyrim. You don't see the media picking that apart (granted, that is merely a small example). I don't think BioWare is trying to impress the Catholic Church directly, so the fact that they don't want to be targeted by the media is silly.

Eh, we saw Fox's hilariously misinformed "debate" on it, and then everything was toned down.  Granted, it could be a coincidence, but it's something.  If Bioware was trying to impress the Catholic Church, explain the Chantry. : P

I also don't believe you can have "graphic sex" in Skyrim, but I haven't played the game, so I could be wrong.  

[shepskisaac]

BlueMagitek wrote...

No good reason?  Bioware recieved flack for just having a partial nudity scene.  Ridiculous, yes, but they clearly don't want to deal with it (hence the change of pace, so to speak).  Imagine the outburst they'd get if it was suddenly seen by the ignorant media as one depicted entirely for gay people.

They didn't got flack for partial nudity. Fox News reported "graphic explict full sex scenes".

[AngelicMachinery]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Laser Beam wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Have you seen how many debates there were on BSN and elsewhere on the internet what was moral t do and what wasn't regarding many ME choices? So no, it ain't that simple. The fact remains, the potential LIs ignore heavily what Shep does, representes and stands for. It ain't realistic, and haven't been in previous BioWare games either. LIs in BioWare games were always fun additions. They had lots of dialogues & cutscenes (much more than romances in Fable or Skyrim) but the core concept was the same, it was still just an addition to enhance the game & made available for everyone, except for gay players for no good reason.

The thing is, we aren't the ones on the front line, so to speak, and the moral choice isn't always the right one, but as I said, the vast majority of both Paragon and Renegade descisions are justifiable.   It is that simple.

No good reason?  Bioware recieved flack for just having a partial nudity scene.  Ridiculous, yes, but they clearly don't want to deal with it (hence the change of pace, so to speak).  Imagine the outburst they'd get if it was suddenly seen by the ignorant media as one depicted entirely for gay people.

I have no issue with them adding a completely homosexual character; having differences between the genders is a good thing; it adds to the experience.

I really don't buy that "BioWare doesn't want to take heat" arguement. You know how many controversial games are out there (Ever heard of Saints Row)? There are more men to marry (****** and Hetero) in Skyrim. You don't see the media picking that apart (granted, that is merely a small example). I don't think BioWare is trying to impress the Catholic Church directly, so the fact that they don't want to be targeted by the media is silly.

Eh, we saw Fox's hilariously misinformed "debate" on it, and then everything was toned down.  Granted, it could be a coincidence, but it's something.  If Bioware was trying to impress the Catholic Church, explain the Chantry. : P

I also don't believe you can have "graphic sex" in Skyrim, but I haven't played the game, so I could be wrong.  

you cannot have sex in skyrim,  but,  you can marry someone in 3 lulzy lines of dialogue.


please forgive me,  my keyboard haz a sad.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 04 décembre 2011 - 01:42 .

[JamieCOTC]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

^ Oysters are supposed to have some universal erotic appeal. Hence my analogy.

I see...

But,  I don't think it's particularly apt.  Asari atleast as presented are not universally appealling to all comers.  They are only physically attractive to individuals who find the female form sexually attractive. 

Good point and here’s a test.  How many straight women on this board are sexually attracted to Liara or any other
asari?

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 04 décembre 2011 - 01:53 .

[BlueMagitek]

IsaacShep wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

No good reason?  Bioware recieved flack for just having a partial nudity scene.  Ridiculous, yes, but they clearly don't want to deal with it (hence the change of pace, so to speak).  Imagine the outburst they'd get if it was suddenly seen by the ignorant media as one depicted entirely for gay people.

They didn't got flack for partial nudity. Fox News reported "graphic explict full sex scenes".

Yes.  But it wasn't graphic nor was it full.  It would be crazy overblown.   But ignore that bit, I retract it from my argument.

[Laser Beam]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Laser Beam wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Have you seen how many debates there were on BSN and elsewhere on the internet what was moral t do and what wasn't regarding many ME choices? So no, it ain't that simple. The fact remains, the potential LIs ignore heavily what Shep does, representes and stands for. It ain't realistic, and haven't been in previous BioWare games either. LIs in BioWare games were always fun additions. They had lots of dialogues & cutscenes (much more than romances in Fable or Skyrim) but the core concept was the same, it was still just an addition to enhance the game & made available for everyone, except for gay players for no good reason.

The thing is, we aren't the ones on the front line, so to speak, and the moral choice isn't always the right one, but as I said, the vast majority of both Paragon and Renegade descisions are justifiable.   It is that simple.

No good reason?  Bioware recieved flack for just having a partial nudity scene.  Ridiculous, yes, but they clearly don't want to deal with it (hence the change of pace, so to speak).  Imagine the outburst they'd get if it was suddenly seen by the ignorant media as one depicted entirely for gay people.

I have no issue with them adding a completely homosexual character; having differences between the genders is a good thing; it adds to the experience.

I really don't buy that "BioWare doesn't want to take heat" arguement. You know how many controversial games are out there (Ever heard of Saints Row)? There are more men to marry (****** and Hetero) in Skyrim. You don't see the media picking that apart (granted, that is merely a small example). I don't think BioWare is trying to impress the Catholic Church directly, so the fact that they don't want to be targeted by the media is silly.

Eh, we saw Fox's hilariously misinformed "debate" on it, and then everything was toned down.  Granted, it could be a coincidence, but it's something.  If Bioware was trying to impress the Catholic Church, explain the Chantry. : P

I also don't believe you can have "graphic sex" in Skyrim, but I haven't played the game, so I could be wrong.  

I said they weren't trying to impress the Catholic Church....

Fox is always misinformed and they have targeted nearly everything they can. No one cares. At least (especially) from a video-game point of view. Mortal Kombat still sales millions.

Modifié par Laser Beam, 04 décembre 2011 - 02:38 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

someone else wrote...

- but either way he's no match for her, and the only male in the entire series clearly at her level is now the series villain -

OH I SEE WHAT THIS IS

Someone has a man-crush on TIM.

I was wondering about that myself...

[someone else]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

someone else wrote...

- but either way he's no match for her, and the only male in the entire series clearly at her level is now the series villain -

OH I SEE WHAT THIS IS

Someone has a man-crush on TIM.

I was wondering about that myself...

This again - asked and answered KjC - but to save you the chore of digging through the thread, I simply see these two as peers - each could have (pre-me3) appreciated and understood the choices, losses etc faced by the other ina way perhaps no one else could.  Can you really see your femshep - assume you have one - being a soccermom after this is all over?

[Killjoy Cutter]

I guess I can understand that.

Maybe I've just seen too many "why can't my femShep have TIM's babies?" posts lately...

[Seboist]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I guess I can understand that.

Maybe I've just seen too many "why can't my femShep have TIM's babies?" posts lately...

Why can't she?

[mauro2222]

Seboist wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I guess I can understand that.

Maybe I've just seen too many "why can't my femShep have TIM's babies?" posts lately...

Why can't she?

I assume that TIM has a huskified penis, and restoring Shepard's sexual organs is a waste of money (though, it really affects the moral and TIM wanted Shep as it was before)

Don't take me seriously.

[someone else]

Seboist wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I guess I can understand that.

Maybe I've just seen too many "why can't my femShep have TIM's babies?" posts lately...

Why can't she?

no IVF clinics in the terminus systems, maybe?  just askin.

[Yuqi]

JamieCOTC wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

^ Oysters are supposed to have some universal erotic appeal. Hence my analogy.

I see...

But,  I don't think it's particularly apt.  Asari atleast as presented are not universally appealling to all comers.  They are only physically attractive to individuals who find the female form sexually attractive. 

Good point and here’s a test.  How many straight women on this board are sexually attracted to Liara or any other
asari?

I know of four.

Ironicly, from what I have seen; femshep & liara is more popular then mshep & liara. *Shrugs* maybe its the whole lesbian thing, who knows.

Modifié par Yuqi, 04 décembre 2011 - 07:09 .

[Kalyppso]

Yuqi wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

^ Oysters are supposed to have some universal erotic appeal. Hence my analogy.

I see...

But,  I don't think it's particularly apt.  Asari atleast as presented are not universally appealling to all comers.  They are only physically attractive to individuals who find the female form sexually attractive. 

Good point and here’s a test.  How many straight women on this board are sexually attracted to Liara or any other
asari?

I know of four. I

ronicly from whatIhave seen femshep & liara is more popular then mshep & liara. Shrug maybe its the whole lesbian thing, who knows.

Lol. "The whole lesbian thing."
You can make it 5.

I have three main femsheps. One is a renegade loyal to Liara, the second/third is a paragon whom will have Ash as her VS (and so didn't romance anyone in ME) and then I played ME2 with twice, once "romancing" Samara and the other time being loyal to Garrus.

[Xilizhra]

JamieCOTC wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

^ Oysters are supposed to have some universal erotic appeal. Hence my analogy.

I see...

But,  I don't think it's particularly apt.  Asari atleast as presented are not universally appealling to all comers.  They are only physically attractive to individuals who find the female form sexually attractive. 

Good point and here’s a test.  How many straight women on this board are sexually attracted to Liara or any other
asari?

I think one.

[Ryzaki]

Meh. You can find someone of the same gender attractive and not be lesbian/gay.

Now if you'd be willing to sleep with them...that's another matter.

[Lenimph]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think one.

The one that was like "It's not because of boobies it's because of the brain sex!" right? 

[Tup3x]

I'm rather conservative and I like to keep thing simple. Axing all gay/bi romances would be just fine for me. Keep is simple.

[Harmless Citizen]

And you think that's fair for LGBT players?

[bleetman]

Maybe they should axe all the heterosexual romances instead, then. You know, if it's just an issue of simplicity.

Modifié par bleetman, 04 décembre 2011 - 01:57 .

[jlb524]

bleetman wrote...
Maybe they should axe all the heterosexual romances instead, then. You know, if it's just an issue of simplicity.

I approve.

Because...um...I'm conservative.

Edit:  Actually...it's a great idea.  If they axe all heterosexual romances, they can put the extra time into creating things like a separate 'Cerberus' path through the game so people like Kaiser and Seboist will be satisfied.  They can keep one gay and one lesbian romance in the game so the can say they're 'progressive'.  Adding in heterosexual romances isn't really necessary and won't make them 'stand out' since that type of content is a dime a dozen in video games.

Modifié par jlb524, 04 décembre 2011 - 05:33 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Seboist wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I guess I can understand that.

Maybe I've just seen too many "why can't my femShep have TIM's babies?" posts lately...

Why can't she?

Not the point.

[slimgrin]

Tup3xi wrote...

I'm rather conservative and I like to keep thing simple. Axing all gay/bi romances would be just fine for me. Keep is simple.

Or we could put them in context and expand on the gay characters a bit.