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[slimgrin]

Make your femshep a lesbian. Problem solved.

[ADLegend21]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Or...perhaps he forgot him? After all, he says that on the first page.

He does but even after that he completely trashes him as a character:

someone else wrote...

No, just boring people.

Actually I did completely forget about him - mentally I completely discount jacob as an LI - he's got such a stick up - ay attempt to start a romance with him is so incredibly lame I've never bothered - more satisfying to do a mission loyal to Kaiden than pursue him. Do you really find him a credible LI? Did his LM reveal anything other than righteous indignation at his father's moral failings and dereliciton of soldierly duty? He's just kind of a zero, and I know I am not alone in finding him such a yawn. But yeah, if you're stuck for a date...he's there, standing at attention, no doubt.

Point is really this - Miranda, Ashley and Jack are well developed characters with depth and emotional complexity that is not matched by any of the available human male choices - and yes, for these purposes I have a species bias. Do you really maintain that Jacob is an in-game equivalent of any of the available women? Kelly, who's no more than a bit on the side (gamewise), is far more engaging, attractive as a potential partner and dimensional.

Kaiden remains femshep's the only viable choice for a hetero relationship - that and the new tank. Garrus is buddy sex - just look at the flirting - Thane is pity sex. The rest are women.

The only male at femshep's level would have been TIM

Kaidan is NOT the only viable LI for reproduction Jacob is there two but he forgets that FACT.

[someone else]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

He's basically saying there is no ideal love interest for his particular preferences.

I'm saying, get over it.

No - I am saying there is a paucity of choices compared with broshep - what, you don't like choices?

[Shadow_Soul]

someone else wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

He's basically saying there is no ideal love interest for his particular preferences.

I'm saying, get over it.

No - I am saying there is a paucity of choices compared with broshep - what, you don't like choices?

FemShep has a ton of choices. Nobody said she had to have a romance! You could go the "she's married to somebody not in the game" route too. I mean, seriously, the romance part of the game is completely optional! <_<

[goofyomnivore]

Ah, some people think that. However, if everybody is bi then
female/female, male/male, female/male, male/female, the player gets what
the player wants. Nobody ever said you HAD to romance anybody.

In
DA2 I think of it like this, sometimes my Hawke is a woman, and Fenris
fits her better then Isabela or Merrill or Anders, maybe Isabela fits
better then Fenris. Or say my Hawke is a guy and Merrill fits him better
then the others, or maybe Fenris does, it's simple, that way I have the
option to romance anybody who is a LI.

That is a valid point -- options are always nice. However with the way it was implemented in Dragon Age 2 there isn't straight, gay or bi -- you're orientation is "Hawke". There really isn't any difference in romance types. I find that monotonous and stale for the romance and characters. Now if they added different romance paths for say Anders depending on which orientation you took while making his sexuality up to the player that would be great. Instead you just get generic, one size fits all romance dialogue and concepts.

Modifié par strive, 03 décembre 2011 - 07:53 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

Mmkay let's look at it this way. To date these are the squad romance options:

Male Shep, Human Only Romance Options - Miranda, Jack, Ash.
Female Shep, Human Only Romance Options - Jacob, Kaidan.

Now let's assume, from what little information we've gathered on ME3. That Mr.Shepard doesn't receive another Female Human love interest. Let's also assume Vega turns out to be a bi-sexual love interest, like all his crazy fans want.

Male Shep, Human Only Romance Options - Miranda, Kelly, Jack.
Female Shep, Human Only Romance Options - Jacob, Kaidan, James.

Please note: These are ASSUMPTIONS. If these ASSUMPTIONS are correct, the human romance field is level pegging.

This, of course, could not be correct. But technically, given Mr.Shepard is getting some bum-fun in ME3, these assumptions are far more likely that your initial assumption of: HURRRR VEGA WILL BE STUPID.

Editted for squad only clarification. Thank you Mr.Turian Avatar Guy.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 03 décembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[someone else]

ADLegend21 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Or...perhaps he forgot him? After all, he says that on the first page.

He does but even after that he completely trashes him as a character:

I'm the only one?   Really?  Gee...

Kaidan is NOT the only viable LI for reproduction Jacob is there two but he forgets that FACT.

mea culpa, for reasons stated.  And it ain't "reproduction qua reproduction"  - its a species-specific bias - that's why Mira is still ok despite being barren (btw - cannot believe 150 yrs from now that would be a  realistic problem) 

Even fully recognizing the incredible hotness and irrestibleness of Jacob's testosterone-fueled aura, that still leave the score Boys 3 Girls 1,

[Ryzaki]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

He's basically saying there is no ideal love interest for his particular preferences.

I'm saying, get over it.

Actually, he's just mad that TIM refuses to bone him.

I'd like it if TIM would bone my Sheps.

Hell I'd take Kai Leng too. Alas.

[Shadow_Soul]

strive wrote...

Ah, some people think that. However, if everybody is bi then
female/female, male/male, female/male, male/female, the player gets what
the player wants. Nobody ever said you HAD to romance anybody.

In
DA2 I think of it like this, sometimes my Hawke is a woman, and Fenris
fits her better then Isabela or Merrill or Anders, maybe Isabela fits
better then Fenris. Or say my Hawke is a guy and Merrill fits him better
then the others, or maybe Fenris does, it's simple, that way I have the
option to romance anybody who is a LI.

That is a valid point -- options are always nice. However with the way it was implemented in Dragon Age 2 there isn't straight, gay or bi -- you're orientation is "Hawke". There really isn't any difference in romance types. I find that monotonous and stale for the romance and characters.

You make a good point. How about orientation "Shepard" for ME3? I know I'm one of those crazy people who wants everybody bi, but I'm bi myself, so maybe that also plays an itty bitty part in my idea since I understand it firsthand. Either way, as long as I get Garrus in ME and Fenris in DA, I really am okay with whatever (though Liara and Ashley and Jack and the rest I wouldn't mind cuz I do have a few lonely FemSheps just waiting for them, lol)

[Harmless Citizen]

The "everybody is bi" route kind of bothered me in DAII. I'm all for choices, but it still feels rather cheap.

I'd much prefer convincingly written gay and lesbian characters than everyone being Shepardsexual.

[Sylvanpyxie]

I feel obliged to point out that you forgot Ashley.

My mind was telling me there was something not quite right in my initial post. I always killed off Ash. But yes, if we're going squad only, the logic still stands.

Truth be told i was struggling to remember all the human squad members, i don't actually remember them all that much, always used Garrus/Tali.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 03 décembre 2011 - 07:59 .

[CrazyRah]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

He's basically saying there is no ideal love interest for his particular preferences.

I'm saying, get over it.

Actually, he's just mad that TIM refuses to bone him.

Yepp, he's just really mad that TIM refuse him.

[Shadow_Soul]

*sigh* Alright, to tell everybody who is bringing up DA2 as an example, this is something my fiance has to say on the matter: "Suck it up, BW will do what they want. DA and ME are two completely different games. It does NOT cheapen the romance but offers more choices. It really doesn't matter because nothing s set in stone until March, thus it could all change. And that in DA2 the romances weren't cheap because they are emotional and have a good theme going for them, as do the ME romances. In DAO Lelianna and Zevran were bi, in ME1 Liara was bi, were their romances cheap? NO! Thus, being bi doesn't cheapen anything."

Honestly, I couldn't say it better then he did now that I think about it. But somebody is gonna argue, I know it. Ugh...

[AngelicMachinery]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

someone else wrote...

No - I am saying there is a paucity of choices compared with broshep - what, you don't like choices?

In completely unrelated news, i applaud you OP for giving me a new word, that's fairly rare here at BSN.

strive wrote...

That is a valid point -- options are
always nice. However with the way it was implemented in Dragon Age 2
there isn't straight, gay or bi -- you're orientation is "Hawke". There
really isn't any difference in romance types. I find that monotonous and
stale for the romance and characters.

You know what completely shocked and kind of disgusted me about DAII romance? The fact that I romance Isabel, she comforts me when my mother dies, she SAYS SHE'S FALLING FOR ME, and when we meet up with Zevran she's all like "let's f*ck, elf!" I guess she wasn't falling for me after all.

Nowhere does she suggest that she'll remain monogamous.  Love and sex doesn't go hand in hand,  and there's nothing wrong with a little bit of polyamory.

[ADLegend21]

someone else wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
Kaidan is NOT the only viable LI for reproduction Jacob is there two but he forgets that FACT.

mea culpa, for reasons stated.  And it ain't "reproduction qua reproduction"  - its a species-specific bias - that's why Mira is still ok despite being barren (btw - cannot believe 150 yrs from now that would be a  realistic problem) 

Even fully recognizing the incredible hotness and irrestibleness of Jacob's testosterone-fueled aura, that still leave the score Boys 3 Girls 1,

Oh? You do realize Jacob is the ONLY Love interest to tell shepard "I love you" when you ask him if he's being serious after the "priiize" line. Maybe you should check the video in my sig before you go throwing Jacob out the window.

[goofyomnivore]

In DAO Lelianna and Zevran were bi, in ME1 Liara was bi, were their romances cheap? NO! Thus, being bi doesn't cheapen anything."

Liara, Zevran, and Leliana were designed to be bi and presented as such. So it does add complexion to their romance. Just like Morrigan and Ashley's refusals to engage in a threesome added a tiny, but present complexion to their character.

[AngelicMachinery]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Nowhere does she suggest that
she'll remain monogamous.  Love and sex doesn't go hand in hand,  and
there's nothing wrong with a little bit of polyamory.

For some folks I guess, not for me.

True, but,  settling down with one person just doesn't seem like it was Izzy's style.  That's more Merrill, Fenris, and Anders forte.

[kiti.the.great]

Tom Hardy for squadmate and LI in ME3

[someone else]

ADLegend21 wrote...
Oh? You do realize Jacob is the ONLY Love interest to tell shepard "I love you" when you ask him if he's being serious after the "priiize" line. Maybe you should check the video in my sig before you go throwing Jacob out the window.

...suppose I'll relent and give Jake a tumble next time my renfem takes the tour - she's up for a first run at vanguard insanity anyway...but the math still stays the same.

btw, if i recall correctly, kaiden's note says the same..

Modifié par someone else, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:24 .

[Drone223]

Jacob is a LI OP like it or not

Deal with it 

Okay now Manshep will only have s/s romance's in ME3, compared to femshep she can have a s/s romance in all three games so she will therefore have more s/s option's than manshep

Modifié par Drone223, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:41 .