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[jlb524]

Shadow_Soul wrote...
*sigh* Alright, to tell everybody who is bringing up DA2 as an example, this is something my fiance has to say on the matter: "Suck it up, BW will do what they want. DA and ME are two completely different games. It does NOT cheapen the romance but offers more choices. It really doesn't matter because nothing s set in stone until March, thus it could all change. And that in DA2 the romances weren't cheap because they are emotional and have a good theme going for them, as do the ME romances. In DAO Lelianna and Zevran were bi, in ME1 Liara was bi, were their romances cheap? NO! Thus, being bi doesn't cheapen anything."

Honestly, I couldn't say it better then he did now that I think about it. But somebody is gonna argue, I know it. Ugh...

Wow, a smart post on the subject.

That's rare.

strive wrote...
Liara, Zevran, and Leliana were designed to be bi and presented as such.

They were? When?

Random Nobody wrote...

I'd much prefer convincingly written gay and lesbian characters than everyone being Shepardsexual.

They already bang the PC regardless of appearance, morality, personality...might as well add in gender.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:33 .

[Tup3x]

Shadow_Soul wrote...

someone else wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

He's basically saying there is no ideal love interest for his particular preferences.

I'm saying, get over it.

No - I am saying there is a paucity of choices compared with broshep - what, you don't like choices?

FemShep has a ton of choices. Nobody said she had to have a romance! You could go the "she's married to somebody not in the game" route too. I mean, seriously, the romance part of the game is completely optional! <_<

This.

[ADLegend21]

someone else wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
Oh? You do realize Jacob is the ONLY Love interest to tell shepard "I love you" when you ask him if he's being serious after the "priiize" line. Maybe you should check the video in my sig before you go throwing Jacob out the window.

...suppose I'll relent and give Jake a tumble next time my renfem takes the tour - she's up for a first run at vanguard insanity anyway...but the math still stays the same.

btw, if i recall correctly, kaidAn's note says the same..

loved you is not the same as love you. the tenses are different.

[someone else]

Shadow_Soul wrote...

FemShep has a ton of choices. Nobody said she had to have a romance! You could go the "she's married to somebody not in the game" route too.

Joss Wheden maybe?

I mean, seriously, the romance part of the game is completely optional! <_<

Crikey, so are the LMs.

Modifié par someone else, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:34 .

[goofyomnivore]

They were? When?

By being bi? If you want an in game example; Zevran asking if you are okay being called "handsome" if you're a male, and explaining how he is sexually open due to his past growing up in a brothel.

I'm not sure I follow your question completely? Elaborate?

Modifié par strive, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:36 .

[someone else]

ADLegend21 wrote...
loved you is not the same as love you. the tenses are different.

...happens frequently after you die...

Modifié par someone else, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:37 .

[AdmiralCheez]

You know, I am personally offended by all this bi = cheap nonsense.

Seriously, it's not like I'm cheap and sleazy just because I can fall in love with/be attracted to either gender.

God damn it, you people.

[jlb524]

strive wrote...

They were? When?

By being bi? If you want an in game example; Zevran asking if you are okay being called "handsome" if you're a male, and explaining how he is sexually open due to his past growing up in a brothel.

I'm not sure I follow your question completely? Elaborate?

Leliana never felt 'bi' to me....she could be a lesbian based on what I've seen.

I think the Zevran line only happens if you pursue the romance with him.  So, outside of a Male Warden romance, when does Zevran show any signs of liking men?

[goofyomnivore]

You know, I am personally offended by all this bi = cheap nonsense.

I'm not trying to say that and if it appears that way, my bad. I have nothing against anyone's preference. I just think romances are written better with characters having a predetermined preference. That is just my opinion, man, so don't fret it isn't factual.

[mauro2222]

jlb524 wrote...

I think the Zevran line only happens if you pursue the romance with him.  So, outside of a Male Warden romance, when does Zevran show any signs of liking men?

Lol! Since you met him. It's the first thing that he says to the warden if you spare his life.

Edit: That's why I love him

Modifié par mauro2222, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:43 .

[jlb524]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Uh, Zevran hits on Male Warden, without initiation.

Hmm..I never noticed that when I played as a male.  It's been awhile though.

strive wrote...

You know, I am personally offended by all this bi = cheap nonsense.

I'm not trying to say that and if it appears that way, my bad. I have nothing against anyone's preference. I just think romances are written better with characters having a predetermined preference. That is just my opinion, man, so don't fret it isn't factual.

But you are cool that they aren't written with predetermined preferences for appearance, morality, personality, etc.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:43 .

[kiti.the.great]

i do not support most of proposed s/s romances for ME3 because i do not support sudden personality shifts ("ok shepard, i was straight but right now i'm bi"), but you know what, gay shepards were really screwed in ME1&ME2. i mean, some goodies for lesSheps and no goodies for gaySheps :3 but who cares about it, Tali is back!
well, OP, have to say - same here. my femShep is still single because she is straight and i cannot imagine her romancing Kaidan, Garrus (he is a bro, not a damn lovaaah), dying space lizard Thane or even worse - extremely boring Jacob (i don't give a **** about his "i love you").
but Vega can't be that bad, hey. just because he is huuuuge doesn't mean he is... well, not very clever. but he is huge, you know. huuuge. muscles. kittens. yes.
i still support Tom Hardy as LI .

[jlb524]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Leliana never felt 'bi' to me....she could be a lesbian based on what I've seen.

Leliana has a conversation where she talks about how she used to regularly seduce men as part of her job as a bard.

So?

That doesn't mean she enjoyed it.

[AdmiralCheez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

It's not that in and of itself, Cheez. But as a gameplay mechanic it kind of waters it down when every character is Shepardsexual.

Then just make some characters 'manceable and some characters not 'manceable.  Nothing wrong with the Mordins and Kasumis and Varrics and Avelines.  One of the reasons I enjoy playing these games so much is the freedom the relative gender-blindness gives me.  It's only cheap if it's poorly written (or if you hold gender/sexuality up as some super-important trait by which you judge the character of an individual or some other equally outdated cultural bullsh*t).

[goofyomnivore]

Leliana never felt 'bi' to me....she could be a lesbian based on what I've seen.

I would agree with her being favored towards lesbian. She talks about in dialogue and banter with other party members about sleeping with both men and women though.

I think the Zevran line only happens if you pursue the romance with him. So, outside of a Male Warden romance, when does Zevran show any signs of liking men?

The handsome line is what triggers the romance. You do like the two intro dialogues where he explains living in the brothel doing "dirty work" with whomever. And then later he calls the Warden handsome, and asks if that is all right. You can then respond accordingly.

Modifié par strive, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:44 .

[someone else]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

You know, I am personally offended by all this bi = cheap nonsense.

Seriously, it's not like I'm cheap and sleazy just because I can fall in love with/be attracted to either gender.

God damn it, you people.

So
a) that wasn't what I was saying - which i dont think you accused me of btw - and which don't intend to defend -
but
I do think its something of a cop-out dramatically for the writers rather than making characters who are committed hetero or homosexuals of either gender - it is "cheap" in the $$ sense to write bi-s rather than clearly differentiate the characters - actually the only one in the series is good old Mordin, who makes it clear Shep (of either flavor) is not his cup of meat.

Modifié par someone else, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:46 .

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

strive wrote...

They were? When?

By being bi? If you want an in game example; Zevran asking if you are okay being called "handsome" if you're a male, and explaining how he is sexually open due to his past growing up in a brothel.

I'm not sure I follow your question completely? Elaborate?

Leliana never felt 'bi' to me....she could be a lesbian based on what I've seen.

I think the Zevran line only happens if you pursue the romance with him.  So, outside of a Male Warden romance, when does Zevran show any signs of liking men?

Nope. Zev will hit on a male Warden, no matter what. You can pursue it if you want, say you don't like him that way, be a total dick or say thanks but I'm not intrested. No matter what.

[mauro2222]

kiti.the.great wrote...

i do not support most of proposed s/s romances for ME3 because i do not support sudden personality shifts ("ok shepard, i was straight but right now i'm bi")

Just for the record, nobody... NOBODY says that they're straight.

[jlb524]

strive wrote...

Leliana never felt 'bi' to me....she could be a lesbian based on what I've seen.

I would agree with her being favored towards lesbian. She talks about in dialogue and banter with other party members about sleeping with both men and women though.

I think the Zevran line only happens if you pursue the romance with him. So, outside of a Male Warden romance, when does Zevran show any signs of liking men?

The handsome line is what triggers the romance. You do like the two intro dialogues where he explains living in the brothel doing "dirty work" with whomever. And then later he calls the Warden handsome, and asks if that is all right. You can then respond accordingly.

Leliana only hints at sleeping with men as part of her job (so she doesn't have to kill them).  That doesn't make her attracted to men in any way.  There's no clear indication that she desires men physically or romantically.

So, Leliana is a bad bisexual and Zevran is a good bisexaul.  

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

strive wrote...

Leliana never felt 'bi' to me....she could be a lesbian based on what I've seen.

I would agree with her being favored towards lesbian. She talks about in dialogue and banter with other party members about sleeping with both men and women though.

I think the Zevran line only happens if you pursue the romance with him. So, outside of a Male Warden romance, when does Zevran show any signs of liking men?

The handsome line is what triggers the romance. You do like the two intro dialogues where he explains living in the brothel doing "dirty work" with whomever. And then later he calls the Warden handsome, and asks if that is all right. You can then respond accordingly.

Leliana only hints at sleeping with men as part of her job (so she doesn't have to kill them).  That doesn't make her attracted to men in any way.  There's no clear indication that she desires men physically or romantically.

So, Leliana is a bad bisexual and Zevran is a good bisexaul.  

Yet she falls in lvoe with a male warden and likes when he flirts with her. She enjoys it.

[kiti.the.great]

mauro2222 wrote...

kiti.the.great wrote...

i do not support most of proposed s/s romances for ME3 because i do not support sudden personality shifts ("ok shepard, i was straight but right now i'm bi")

Just for the record, nobody... NOBODY says that they're straight.

'galaxy at war' is a strange moment for such unexpected coming out, just sayin

[goofyomnivore]

But you are cool that they aren't written with predetermined preferences for appearance, morality, personality, etc.

Uh most characters do have a base set of beliefs. The PC can influence them though. Garrus believes in justice. You go through a mission about Dr Saelon you can handle the situation how you want regardless of Garrus' approval. However his idea of justice is still there in Mass Effect 2, since you know he wants Sidonis dead. You can influence his choice again, but you can't decide what he thinks he ultimately spares Sidonis or kills him off his own choice. Afterards he asks if you think he did the right thing. Appearance? That is just a simply RPG mechanic of min/maxing if you're talking about the PC picking what outfit they wear.

Modifié par strive, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:51 .