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[alex90c]

111987 wrote...

I personally find it more difficult to understand how he survived re-entry and how his memories could have been restored, but oh well.

Mass effect fields.

Yup, I said it.

[DarkPsylocke26]

tonnactus wrote...

There was no point. The game was a lame filler, nothing more.

It has a point and it is this get a team together, gain their loyalty, and FIND AND STOP THE COLLECTORS!

[CptData]

alex90c wrote...

111987 wrote...

I personally find it more difficult to understand how he survived re-entry and how his memories could have been restored, but oh well.

Mass effect fields.

Yup, I said it.

Greybox.

[Troika0]

DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

I agree, and Alliance Command or i think it's Hackett sends a mail tell you found the Normandy crash site. So why they didn't do it themselves.

Why did a race of hyper-intelligent machines design a gateway to the galaxy with the switch on the opposite side?

Why did Sovereign need to signal the keepers--unnecessary middle men--to activate the citadel relay? Why not just design the citadel to be remotely activatable? Why not just let the citadel be a reaper that can monitor itself?

Why is everyone so intent on not understanding any of the tech they use? Why was a law passed to prohibit study of the keepers? The Citadel is the center of power for a galactic community with millions living within,including top government officials; doesn't it behoove them to understand the automatons opperating and maintaining this structure? Why was Aethyta laughed at for suggesting the building of new relays, has no one thought of this before? Has no one even bothered to study these things that the entire galactic economy hinges upon?

For that matter, why can the protheans do what every other race can't and study--even change--the keepers directly? And why did they construct a supposedly secret--and potentially volatile--mass relay prototype not only inside of a space station, but right next to what was also--probably--their executive government building?

And why did the surviving protheans then broadcast the entirety of their plans across the galaxy, knowing full well that their enemies could be still monitoring them?

Why did Sovereign waste time breeding Krogan and blowing up colonies with Geth, making as much noise as possible, when it had direct control of the galaxy's most respected and trusted intelligence agent? Why not just send Saren to Citadel Tower, have him create an excuse to clear the Council's chambers and switch off the station's life-support via the master control terminal?

Where did Vigil acquire a copy of Norton Anti-Reaper from?

Why did Cerberus--an organization with trained commandos and military grade technology--need Liara, a civilian with no real special training, to reclaim Shepards body from Collectors?

Why have the Council gone back to business as usual after having their fleet thoroughly humiliated by an invasion force? Even if Sovereign was a geth creation, shouldn't they be concerned that the geth might have or be constructing more of these dreadnaughts?

There's plenty more, I'm sure, but the point is Mass Effect just doesn't follow any kind of logic.

Modifié par Troika0, 05 décembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[DarkPsylocke26]

DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

Why didn't the Alliance tried to find what was left Shepard's body?
They should at least find his body or what was left of it for a proper burial.

Would have been a very good question to ask Kaidan/Ashley on Horizon, because they are Alliance soldiers.

[111987]

CptData wrote...

alex90c wrote...

111987 wrote...

I personally find it more difficult to understand how he survived re-entry and how his memories could have been restored, but oh well.

Mass effect fields.

Yup, I said it.

Greybox.

That could work, but greyboxes were outlawed several years before ME1. Also Shepard would have remembered what a graybox was if he used one.

Unless they somehow did it secretly...? Nah...

[Il Divo]

111987 wrote...

That could work, but greyboxes were outlawed several years before ME1. Also Shepard would have remembered what a graybox was if he used one.

Unless they somehow did it secretly...? Nah...

Graybox. Secret Graybox.

[Phaedon]

Here we go again...

Re-entry? Really guys? Re-entry causes friction. Friction may cause heat enough to cause combustion. That's what happens with Earth's atmosphere. Alchera's atmosphere is described as of "low density". So where are you pulling the "Everything burns at re-entry OMG" stuff from?

As for the body itself, it was split in really big pieces (look at the armor at Liara's apartment and Legion). That is most likely because the kinetic barriers managed to last enough milliseconds to consume most of the damage. Shepard's helmet is definitely undamaged, so the only way a damage to the brain could have occurred would have been a coup/contre-coup injury.

[111987]

Phaedon wrote...

As for the body itself, it was split in really big pieces (look at the armor at Liara's apartment and Legion). That is most likely because the kinetic barriers managed to last enough milliseconds to consume most of the damage. Shepard's helmet is definitely undamaged, so the only way a damage to the brain could have occurred would have been a coup/contre-coup injury.

Shepard was described as "meat and tubes". So his body definitely wasn't intact.

Plus the damage from Alchera's low temperatures would have caused neural decay.

There is simply no way Shepard's brain was perfectly preserved. Meaning his memories shouldn't be intact either.

[Sgt Stryker]

Troika0 wrote...

DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

I agree, and Alliance Command or i think it's Hackett sends a mail tell you found the Normandy crash site. So why they didn't do it themselves.

A bunch of invented "plot-holes".

Here is your answer.

[mulder1199]

111987 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

As for the body itself, it was split in really big pieces (look at the armor at Liara's apartment and Legion). That is most likely because the kinetic barriers managed to last enough milliseconds to consume most of the damage. Shepard's helmet is definitely undamaged, so the only way a damage to the brain could have occurred would have been a coup/contre-coup injury.

Shepard was described as "meat and tubes". So his body definitely wasn't intact.

Plus the damage from Alchera's low temperatures would have caused neural decay.

There is simply no way Shepard's brain was perfectly preserved. Meaning his memories shouldn't be intact either.

well the meat and tubes putting somebody back together is covered in 'frankenstein'.....and i'll go with cerberus spending a boatload of cash to bring shep back 'just as (s)he was' for the brain argument....

perhaps it's best to consider (at least this is the way i get through it) is that it's science fiction and 200 years into the future....

[111987]

mulder1199 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

As for the body itself, it was split in really big pieces (look at the armor at Liara's apartment and Legion). That is most likely because the kinetic barriers managed to last enough milliseconds to consume most of the damage. Shepard's helmet is definitely undamaged, so the only way a damage to the brain could have occurred would have been a coup/contre-coup injury.

Shepard was described as "meat and tubes". So his body definitely wasn't intact.

Plus the damage from Alchera's low temperatures would have caused neural decay.

There is simply no way Shepard's brain was perfectly preserved. Meaning his memories shouldn't be intact either.

well the meat and tubes putting somebody back together is covered in 'frankenstein'.....and i'll go with cerberus spending a boatload of cash to bring shep back 'just as (s)he was' for the brain argument....

perhaps it's best to consider (at least this is the way i get through it) is that it's science fiction and 200 years into the future....

Exactly; I'm not suggesting that that it ruined the game for me or anything like that. I didn't really care. I just think it's a bit silly for Shepard's memory to have been totally reconstructed, but oh well. Like I said, it didn't hurt my enjoyment of the game in the slightest.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

111987 wrote...

That could work, but greyboxes were outlawed several years before ME1. Also Shepard would have remembered what a graybox was if he used one.

Unless they somehow did it secretly...? Nah...

Graybox. Secret Graybox.

Double-secret probation graybox 

[mulder1199]

111987 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

As for the body itself, it was split in really big pieces (look at the armor at Liara's apartment and Legion). That is most likely because the kinetic barriers managed to last enough milliseconds to consume most of the damage. Shepard's helmet is definitely undamaged, so the only way a damage to the brain could have occurred would have been a coup/contre-coup injury.

Shepard was described as "meat and tubes". So his body definitely wasn't intact.

Plus the damage from Alchera's low temperatures would have caused neural decay.

There is simply no way Shepard's brain was perfectly preserved. Meaning his memories shouldn't be intact either.

well the meat and tubes putting somebody back together is covered in 'frankenstein'.....and i'll go with cerberus spending a boatload of cash to bring shep back 'just as (s)he was' for the brain argument....

perhaps it's best to consider (at least this is the way i get through it) is that it's science fiction and 200 years into the future....

Exactly; I'm not suggesting that that it ruined the game for me or anything like that. I didn't really care. I just think it's a bit silly for Shepard's memory to have been totally reconstructed, but oh well. Like I said, it didn't hurt my enjoyment of the game in the slightest.

that's the best i can do, there's obvious holes that have to have a bit of belief suspended, so that's what i go with....the part i find a little tough to get to (assuming they can do what they did with lazarus) is that a guy like TIM is so sneaky most of the time, but doesn't add in some measure of control over shep....perhaps he believes himself when he says they needed shep "just as you were" or however that went....

[Iakus]

111987 wrote...

Exactly; I'm not suggesting that that it ruined the game for me or anything like that. I didn't really care. I just think it's a bit silly for Shepard's memory to have been totally reconstructed, but oh well. Like I said, it didn't hurt my enjoyment of the game in the slightest.

Problem is, it really hurt my enjoyment.

I know I know space opera, science fiction, 'it's the future, any kind of space magic can exist because it's the future"

But if I'm going to participate in a story, it should be a story that makes sense within its own internal logic.

[mulder1199]

iakus wrote...

111987 wrote...

Exactly; I'm not suggesting that that it ruined the game for me or anything like that. I didn't really care. I just think it's a bit silly for Shepard's memory to have been totally reconstructed, but oh well. Like I said, it didn't hurt my enjoyment of the game in the slightest.

Problem is, it really hurt my enjoyment.

I know I know space opera, science fiction, 'it's the future, any kind of space magic can exist because it's the future"

But if I'm going to participate in a story, it should be a story that makes sense within its own internal logic.

well then, you gotta go with 'lazarus juice does a body (and mind) good'

[feliciano2040]

iakus wrote...

Problem is, it really hurt my enjoyment.

I know I know space opera, science fiction, 'it's the future, any kind of space magic can exist because it's the future"

But if I'm going to participate in a story, it should be a story that makes sense within its own internal logic.

I can see where you're coming from, the Lazarus Project, even for science fiction, was a little too much perhaps.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

111987 wrote...

That could work, but greyboxes were outlawed several years before ME1. Also Shepard would have remembered what a graybox was if he used one.

Unless they somehow did it secretly...? Nah...

Graybox. Secret Graybox.

Double-secret probation graybox 

Damn! Now that is some heavy-duty equipment. Where do you suppose Commander Shepard got his hands on a piece like that?

[Sgt Stryker]

Calinstel wrote...

Hell, an explosion that melded his helmet to his face could explain the only reason for the attack and subsequent facial reconstruction in ME2. A coma would have done the rest with Cerberus doctors absconding with Sheps body to hide and letting the fake Shep body die.
There, completely believable beginning, Normandy destroyed, everyone knows he died but it is BELIEVABLE.
Lazarus was the dumbest plot device I have ever seen.

This. Hell, I'm even willing to argue that a story reason for facial reconstruction is unnecessary. You could have it completely segregated from the narrative, just like Shepard's class change.

[Andorfiend]

You know, I had been thinking about how disappointing Grunts storyline was. He starts out intelligent, educated but disconnected, trying to find his place in the world. At the end of his story-arc he decides "You know what? I hate thinking. I'm just gonna kill whatever Battlemaster Shepard wants me to." Pathetic.

And I just realized this is what they seem to want us to do to. Mass Effect started out as a really good hard sf universe. Yes, it has telepathy. Yes, it has the Mass Effect. So what? They are important plot/ or universe enabling elements. They count as 'gimmes' and are fine.

Then in ME 2 we spend a lot of time doing not much for insufficient reasons for a monster while ignoring the main threat or our own interests. Meanwhile the SF lore that so richly filled the original codex get's replaced by the kind of generic Star Trex grade stuff written by people who failed High School generic science class but who think that if they use words like 'phasic' no one will notice.

In the meantime Our Hero, brought back from the dead, alone in the galaxy at having achieved this feat, does not stop to ponder his own nature or existence, he does not question his own authenticity, he does not wonder why his scars glow in the dark. Instead he gets one throw away line where he wonders if he was cloned to which Jacob answers "I dunno." and lets the matter drop.

Shepard is freaking Grunt. Brain off, gun on. Yay. ...

Modifié par Andorfiend, 05 décembre 2011 - 10:36 .

[feliciano2040]

Calinstel wrote...

Hell, an explosion that melded his helmet to his face could explain the only reason for the attack and subsequent facial reconstruction in ME2. A coma would have done the rest with Cerberus doctors absconding with Sheps body to hide and letting the fake Shep body die.
There, completely believable beginning, Normandy destroyed, everyone knows he died but it is BELIEVABLE.
Lazarus was the dumbest plot device I have ever seen.

I don't understand.

You're saying Shepard should've just been in a coma ?

[Rafael_River]

witchee2woman wrote...

i just hope they make areas u can go to (cities) bigger and not like in ME2 where u ran from point A to point B. and out of the game info ive seen on ME3, arrival was the only event from ME2 talked about.

thats not true!!

from the demo where you save the female krogan!  mordin's whole story plays a big part, 

[Rafael_River]

turian-rebellion wrote...

 So, i've been looking into mass effect 3 alot more now, and i've found out that the only squadmates in mass effect 3, in short, is no new squad member from mass effect 2. So what was the point of mass effect 2?

To me, except from stopping the collectors, finding out that collectors are protheans, and building a relationship with Cerberus, the point of mass effect 2 was to build a great team for when the reapers come. This is why your getting people like thane, the ultimate assassin, grunt, the perfect krogan, and mordin, the smartest salarian. 

You recruited the to stop the collectors, and to prepare to fight with the reapers. The best evidenced i have, is when everyone survives, the epilogur show your new crew preparing for the fight against the reapers!

So why is it, that no new squad member you made in mass effect 2, comes in mass effect 3! the only point i can think of for mass effect 2, was to stop the collectors, but i could have done that with my old team, not build a massive new team.

i'm dissapointed at the fact that even though mass effect 2 was a great game, in fact, the best game out right now, it seems to be pretty pointless, towards mass effect 3. what do you think? do you agree with me? who do you want froom mass effect 2? do you see any other point of mass effect 2? REPLY! 

i just hope they do bring even at least 2 charracters back in your squad from me2 to me3
i know most of them wont be squadmates again! but its just nice to see how characters from me1 interacts with mass effect 2 characters    

for example, catfight between jack and ashley!