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[CerberusWarrior]

ME 2 was a clear side quest simple as that and its a dam shame Bioware did not have a legit 3 game story for the ME franchise

[Someone With Mass]

Calinstel wrote...

Hell, an explosion that melded his helmet to his face could explain the only reason for the attack and subsequent facial reconstruction in ME2. A coma would have done the rest with Cerberus doctors absconding with Sheps body to hide and letting the fake Shep body die.
There, completely believable beginning, Normandy destroyed, everyone knows he died but it is BELIEVABLE.
Lazarus was the dumbest plot device I have ever seen.

The Lazarus mission itself was pretty dumb too.

I don't care how much of a leet hacker you are, one guy shouldn't be able to reprogram the entire security system like that.

Not without getting caught while sneaking around there even if he doesn't have clearance. And we weren't given answers to why he did that until much, much later when few people cared.

As for the rest, I agree. Just fake Shepard's death and reconstruct his/her face after the damage during the attack. I mean, if you can get away with an excuse as flimsy as corrupt files in ME1, you can get away with this.

[Someone With Mass]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

ME 2 was a clear side quest simple as that and its a dam shame Bioware did not have a legit 3 game story for the ME franchise

Yes, we know that Cerberus screwed up the whole story. Stop being a broken record already.

[CerberusWarrior]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

ME 2 was a clear side quest simple as that and its a dam shame Bioware did not have a legit 3 game story for the ME franchise

Yes, we know that Cerberus screwed up the whole story. Stop being a broken record already.

   


Its Bioware who has thye broken record . they claim to have a 3 game story but what they have is a ME 1 to ME 3 story whihc means 2 games not 3 . but hey thats what happens when a developer who has never did sci fi tries to create a sci fi story .

[goofyomnivore]

asdf wrong thread

Modifié par strive, 05 décembre 2011 - 11:04 .

[Savber100]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

ME 2 was a clear side quest simple as that and its a dam shame Bioware did not have a legit 3 game story for the ME franchise

Yes, we know that Cerberus screwed up the whole story. Stop being a broken record already.

   


Its Bioware who has thye broken record . they claim to have a 3 game story but what they have is a ME 1 to ME 3 story whihc means 2 games not 3 . but hey thats what happens when a developer who has never did sci fi tries to create a sci fi story .

So what was the argument against the fact that ME2 developed major key factions (like Cerberus), characters (from Garrus to Miranda), and plot elements (genophage, geth vs quarian war, geth rewriting)? 

Come on... I UNDERSTAND why some people would think ME2 didn't develop the Reaper plot as,much but what did you expect in a second act? A resolution? A finding of a superweapon by the second act? Some big Reaper invasion? ME2 did what a second act should which is to build up to the final fight. 

If anything, ME2 was surprisingly good for being the ususally derided second act in most trilogies. 

[Someone With Mass]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Its Bioware who has thye broken record . they claim to have a 3 game story but what they have is a ME 1 to ME 3 story whihc means 2 games not 3 . but hey thats what happens when a developer who has never did sci fi tries to create a sci fi story .

KOTOR and KOTOR 2 says hi.

Trust me. We get it. You're mad because Cerberus turned out to be evil (which is a shock to nobody) in ME3. Get over it already, or stop posting on this forum if you hate it so much.

[shepskisaac]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

ME 2 was a clear side quest

It wasn't. But that's a discussion for the Spoilers group

[Savber100]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Its Bioware who has thye broken record . they claim to have a 3 game story but what they have is a ME 1 to ME 3 story whihc means 2 games not 3 . but hey thats what happens when a developer who has never did sci fi tries to create a sci fi story .

KOTOR and KOTOR 2 says hi.

Trust me. We get it. You're mad because Cerberus turned out to be evil (which is a shock to nobody) in ME3. Get over it already, or stop posting on this forum if you hate it so much.

Wait who says they're evil? Are we taking Shepard's word for it from the demos? Just because someone attacks the protagonist of a series doesn't necessarily mean they're evil/ 

Lets put it this way. If you've supported Cerberus after the events of ME and ME2, the decisions made by Cerberus in ME3 should NOT change your minds about them (well according to the leaked script anyways). 

Modifié par Savber100, 05 décembre 2011 - 11:17 .

[Someone With Mass]

Well, then it's good that I never cared about Cerberus, since I thought that their actions were dumb even in ME1.

[CerberusWarrior]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Its Bioware who has thye broken record . they claim to have a 3 game story but what they have is a ME 1 to ME 3 story whihc means 2 games not 3 . but hey thats what happens when a developer who has never did sci fi tries to create a sci fi story .

KOTOR and KOTOR 2 says hi.

Trust me. We get it. You're mad because Cerberus turned out to be evil (which is a shock to nobody) in ME3. Get over it already, or stop posting on this forum if you hate it so much.

   



George Lucas and Lucas Arts says hello when it comes to Star Wars . Bioware was restricted on what they could do in those 2 games . Oh I am not mad I have since figured out that most video game stories are complete sh*t unless a developer actually puts some logic into them .  Oh I am passed being mad but I will always call Bioware out on bull sh*t from now on .  I will play ME 3 but  as long as I save Earth and Miranda and the Krogans in it thats all that matters to me as well finish of My Shepard's story .  Its clear Bioware needs to stay with in the fantasy side of games like DA because on a sci fi level ME Games are a ****** poor b level sci fi series that should be on sat night on SyFy 's b level sci fi movie night .  Oh and understand this Bioware is restricted to the years before the origial Star Wars trilogy and its prequels as it referes to the KOTOR and TOR . Thank god Lucas Arts is making sure these clowns at Bioware who have no idea how to do sci fi stays the hell away from the iconic Star Wars movies . at least Captian Kirk and Picard didn't need to report into StarFleet after every mission like Shepard had to do in ME 1 .  Shepard should be captain of the SR 1 and SR 2 not Commander but I guess Bioware forgot to see how Star Trek handles rank on board a Star ship .  yeah I got up in ME 2's story and its sad that its one big joke .

[onelifecrisis]

Savber100 wrote...

Come on... I UNDERSTAND why some people would think ME2 didn't develop the Reaper plot as,much but what did you expect in a second act? (1) A resolution? (2) A finding of a superweapon by the second act? Some big Reaper invasion? ME2 did what a second act should which is to build up to the final fight.

That whole paragraph betrays a complete lack of understanding of "what a second act should" do.

(1) A resolution?
Of course not, but the second act is where the protagonist should try to find a resolution to the problem setup in the first act. In this case the problem is the impending reaper invasion, and in ME2 Shepard doesn't even try to do anything about it. In fact at the point that he decides to go after the Collectors the only indication he has of any reaper involvement at all is the word of TIM, reputably the least trustworthy person in the galaxy.
(2) Finding a superweapon?
Yes, actually, the second act is precisely where this (among other things) would normally happen, if it were going to happen at all.

[DarkPsylocke26]

Modifié par DarkPsylocke26, 05 décembre 2011 - 11:36 .

[111987]

onelifecrisis wrote...

(1) A resolution?
Of course not, but the second act is where the protagonist should try to find a resolution to the problem setup in the first act. In this case the problem is the impending reaper invasion, and in ME2 Shepard doesn't even try to do anything about it. In fact at the point that he decides to go after the Collectors the only indication he has of any reaper involvement at all is the word of TIM, reputably the least trustworthy person in the galaxy.

Except for Arrival.

*waits for argument about how DLC doesn't count (which admittedly is a fair point)*

[onelifecrisis]

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

(1) A resolution?
Of course not, but the second act is where the protagonist should try to find a resolution to the problem setup in the first act. In this case the problem is the impending reaper invasion, and in ME2 Shepard doesn't even try to do anything about it. In fact at the point that he decides to go after the Collectors the only indication he has of any reaper involvement at all is the word of TIM, reputably the least trustworthy person in the galaxy.

Except for Arrival.

*waits for argument about how DLC doesn't count (which admittedly is a fair point)*

This thread isn't asking "what was the point of Arrival". ;-)

[DiebytheSword]

Wait you think Kirk and Picard didn't have to report back to Starfleet? Remember the captain's log thing? Just because it wasn't shown in the show doesn't mean people weren't filing reports.

And its been mentioned on this board before, there is precedence for a Commander to run a small ship, you know, like a Frigate.

[Savber100]

onelifecrisis wrote...

That whole paragraph betrays a complete lack of understanding of "what a second act should" do.

(1) A resolution?
Of course not, but the second act is where the protagonist should try to find a resolution to the problem setup in the first act. In this case the problem is the impending reaper invasion, and in ME2 Shepard doesn't even try to do anything about it. In fact at the point that he decides to go after the Collectors the only indication he has of any reaper involvement at all is the word of TIM, reputably the least trustworthy person in the galaxy.
(2) Finding a superweapon?
Yes, actually, the second act is precisely where this (among other things) would normally happen, if it were going to happen at all.

1) Aye and we're already have several key plot points coming about with decisions ranging from the geth rewrite to the genophage. Of course you can argue that how would we know if it actually has an impact in ME3? I would agree and respond that WE DON'T KNOW until ME3 is released but it's a lot better than just saying nothing happened in ME2. Also the entire Tali recuritment quest hints about a potential counter with the constant mentioning of dark energy etc. 

2. With that call, Two Towers was a bad second act because the story didn't even hint about the super undead army until the third act. Instead, the Fellowship just wandered around and fought a second-rate villian who was defeated in 1-2 battle. 

In the end, you might be right. But I'm tired of people who complains that nothing happens in the second act as I heard this again and again for almost every second act in a overarching trilogy. I mean were you there when Two Towers came out? Yeah... complaints from non-readers abound about how TT was pointless because of this and that.

In short, I'm going to withhold judgment of ME2 until ME3 is released. Is that bad?  

Modifié par Savber100, 05 décembre 2011 - 11:40 .

[CerberusWarrior]

DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Its Bioware who has thye broken record . they claim to have a 3 game story but what they have is a ME 1 to ME 3 story whihc means 2 games not 3 . but hey thats what happens when a developer who has never did sci fi tries to create a sci fi story .

KOTOR and KOTOR 2 says hi.

Trust me. We get it. You're mad because Cerberus turned out to be evil (which is a shock to nobody) in ME3. Get over it already, or stop posting on this forum if you hate it so much.

   



George Lucas and Lucas Arts says hello when it comes to Star Wars . Bioware was restricted on what they could do in those 2 games . Oh I am not mad I have since figured out that most video game stories are complete sh*t unless a developer actually puts some logic into them .  Oh I am passed being mad but I will always call Bioware out on bull sh*t from now on .  I will play ME 3 but  as long as I save Earth and Miranda and the Krogans in it thats all that matters to me as well finish of My Shepard's story .  Its clear Bioware needs to stay with in the fantasy side of games like DA because on a sci fi level ME Games are a ****** poor b level sci fi series that should be on sat night on SyFy 's b level sci fi movie night .  Oh and understand this Bioware is restricted to the years before the origial Star Wars trilogy and its prequels as it referes to the KOTOR and TOR . Thank god Lucas Arts is making sure these clowns at Bioware who have no idea how to do sci fi stays the hell away from the iconic Star Wars movies . at least Captian Kirk and Picard didn't need to report into StarFleet after every mission like Shepard had to do in ME 1 .  Shepard should be captain of the SR 1 and SR 2 not Commander but I guess Bioware forgot to see how Star Trek handles rank on board a Star ship .  yeah I got up in ME 2's story and its sad that its one big joke .

The Star Wars Knights of the Republic games are great, and I still play them today.  You complain about ME so much why in the world you are bothering playing the first two games. Don't bother getting the last one. Trade it in get a different game. The PLOT OF ME 2 IS GET A TEAM TOGETHER, GET THEIR LOYALTY, LAST FIND AND STOP THE COLLECTORS.

   













What you do not like is the fact that I am a fan of parts of the ME universe . But I am also not going to just rubber stamp anything Bioware says like many do on here .  They need to hear the complaints and issues of those who buy their games . Yeah the ME 2 story is a joke now since it does not directly fit with in the ME 3 story .  What was the point of ME 2 if the story is not even considered a serious part of ME 3 .You just don't like someone that has no issue on calling them out on a  pathetic franchise story that is clearly designed for 2 games not 3

[Quole]

ME2 had no point. Anyone with a brain could tell you that even before ME3 was even ****ing announced.

[onelifecrisis]

Savber100 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

That whole paragraph betrays a complete lack of understanding of "what a second act should" do.

(1) A resolution?
Of course not, but the second act is where the protagonist should try to find a resolution to the problem setup in the first act. In this case the problem is the impending reaper invasion, and in ME2 Shepard doesn't even try to do anything about it. In fact at the point that he decides to go after the Collectors the only indication he has of any reaper involvement at all is the word of TIM, reputably the least trustworthy person in the galaxy.
(2) Finding a superweapon?
Yes, actually, the second act is precisely where this (among other things) would normally happen, if it were going to happen at all.

1) Aye and we're already have several key plot points coming about with decisions ranging from the geth rewrite to the genophage. Would we know if it actually has an impact in ME3? WE DON'T KNOW until ME3 is released but it's a lot better than just saying nothing happened in ME2. Also the entire Tali recuritment quest hints about a potential counter with the constant mentioning of dark energy etc. 

2. With that call, Two Towers was a bad second act because the story didn't even hint about the super undead army until the third act. Instead, the Fellowship just wandered around and fought a second-rate villian who was defeated in 1-2 battle. 

In the end, you might be right. But I'm tired of people who complains that nothing happens in the second act as I heard this again and again for almost every second act in a overarching trilogy. I mean were you there when Two Towers came out? Yeah... complaints from non-readers abound about how TT was pointless because of this and that.

In short, I'm going to withhold judgment of ME2 until ME3 is released. Is that bad?  

Yeah, I agree that the optional side quests in ME2 did more to advance the story than the main plot did, which is a pretty atrocious state of affairs.

The Ghost Army was an awful piece of storytelling, but the Two Towers wasn't a bad second act. Frodo spends the second act trying to find a way into Mordor. Meanwhile, Aragorn does what he can to keep the world of men from being destroyed. Both of these are essential for the end goal: destroy the ring before Sauron defeats Middle Earth. By the end of T2T Frodo is in Mordor, Rohan has been saved, and the Rohirrim (the "superweapon" that will prove essential in Act 3) have effectively been recruited.

Meanwhile, the main protagonists both struggled with personal demons that would prevent them from succeeding but for the help/support/guidance of their friends and allies, which helps them to start to grow as characters.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 05 décembre 2011 - 11:48 .

[Savber100]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yeah, I agree that the optional side quests in ME2 did more to advance the story than the main plot did, which is a pretty atrocious state of affairs.

The Ghost Army was an awful piece of storytelling, but the Two Towers wasn't a bad second act. Frodo spends the second act trying to find a way into Mordor. Meanwhile, Aragorn does what he can to keep the world of men from being destroyed. Both of these are essential for the end goal: destroy the ring before Sauron defeats Middle Earth. By the end of T2T Frodo is in Mordor, Rohan has been saved, and the Rohirrim (the "superweapon" that will prove essential in Act 3) have essentially been recruited.

So we agree that ME2 did advance the overarching story? Good. 

And I agree with you about the main plot but I would argue that the destruction of the Collectors isn't some light decision tossed around for fun. You destroyed a key Reaper asset while also learned more about TIM and Cerberus (whose role increases in ME3). Even then if you really want to dismiss the importance of that, the so-called "side-quests" GREATLY helped advance the overarching narrative while also developing many key characters. 

So in ME2, Shepard spends the second act trying to destroy a key Reaper asset. Meanwhile, Shepard does what he can to gather the "the best of the best" in saving thousands of human lives while also influencing key decisions like geth rewrite and genophage. All are key development of the end goal: To defeat the Reapers. By the end of ME2, we have destroyed a human Reaper, knocked out the Collectors, destroyed an Alpha Relay causing the death of thousands, find a potential cure for the genophage, learned a bit about dark energy, advised the Quarian's to avoid war, learned more abou the geth, witnessed the growing strength of Clan Urdnot, saw the ascension of Liara as the Shadow Broker, and found a potential technlogical advantage in the Collector's base. 

To add upon that, we developed the overarching characters like Garrus to Tali and introducing key characters like Miranda. 

You can go ahead and complain  about plotholes but don't say that ME2 was pointless. 

Modifié par Savber100, 06 décembre 2011 - 12:01 .

[Ticktank]

Jeebus freaking imaginary friend, we've already talked about this. The whole point of ME2 is to have sex with Tali and Garrus.

The game delivered!

[jasonsantanna]

How can anyone say that it does not fit into or connect to the ME3 when we have not actually played ME3 or any of its DLC yet, I agree the story was not as epic as ME 1 was, to me it was a great game as far as action and you can't say that most of us was not entertained by it , because reading the forums ppl have played it multiple times , I know I have, but remember , if you can find or read old forums about ME 1 , fans wanted faster pace, more , action less talk, less inventory and so on. . . So ME2 is what you got . . . Yes they could have up the story . . . But they concentrated more on action from  the demands of the fans. . . Now just look at what we have so far from ME3, fans complained that to much of what was taken out of ME2 . . . and is now being put back in ME3 . . .so guys BW does listen, just be careful of what you wish for   

Modifié par jasonsantanna, 06 décembre 2011 - 12:16 .

[Il Divo]

The nerd in me feels obligated to point out that Obsidian did KotOR 2, not Bioware.

[GHNR]

witchee2woman wrote...

ya but i blew up the geth and had her destroy the greybox. does that make a difference?

OK, either thing you do to the heretics is OK, and presumably with Kasumi's graybox (check the End of Mission summary to see if she's concentrated on the mission).

However to make sure the technician lives you also need to pick the appropriate team leader. Pick either GARRUS, MIRANDA, or JACOB.