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[Candidate 88766]

tonnactus wrote...

iakus wrote...
That's why I was hoping that the tweets would confirm that the new Reaper would have been completed before Arrival and have been put to some nefarious purpose.

That wouldnt work because the collectors "have to go to earth" according to squadmember commands in Mass Effect 2.
Someone would ask how that one ship would have managed to defeat the alliance forces when a new normandy was to much for them...

The Collectors had more than one ship, but even so you're right.

I think the new Reaper would've been a threat because with the galaxy fighting the Reapers at chokepoints like the Relays, forming a defensive line of sorts, even one Reaper sneaking in the back could've wrought havoc. And this Reaper could've done just that seeing as it would come out of the galactic core - it would be right behind enemey lines. Exactly where you wouldn't want a Reaper to be if you were fighting them.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 06 décembre 2011 - 09:13 .

[CerberusWarrior]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, one could just as easy say that Episode 5 did nothing for the story.

Not that I think so. Just saying.

   


Episode 5 kept the story going oh but thats right Luke Skywalker and his friends did not fight puppets of the empire like Shepard has to do because Bioware has no balls to put Shepard straight up vs the reapers . The Star Wars story stayed connected all the way through Episode 6 . I can not say the same about ME . 

[Candidate 88766]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, one could just as easy say that Episode 5 did nothing for the story.

Not that I think so. Just saying.

   


Episode 5 kept the story going oh but thats right Luke Skywalker and his friends did not fight puppets of the empire like Shepard has to do because Bioware has no balls to put Shepard straight up vs the reapers . The Star Wars story stayed connected all the way through Episode 6 . I can not say the same about ME . 

You do know what ME3 is about right?

[AlexXIV]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, one could just as easy say that Episode 5 did nothing for the story.

Not that I think so. Just saying.

You have a good point with this. Episode 5 is arguably the best in the series, but didn't add all that much to the plot. 

It starts with the protagonists being attacked, but from there the film is far more character oriented than episode 4 was. Like ME2, much of the plot is devoted to expanding the characters and the lore - apart from Luke being better with the force, the protagonists make no progress at all towards defeating the Empire. At the end of A New Hope, the Empire is still a threat. By the end of Empire Strikers Back, nothing has changed this. Luke is told he will need to defeat Vader, but he already knew this. The Empire isn't actually directly attacked. Yet it is still seen as one of the greatest films of all time. Why? Because it didn't need to expand on the plotline of defeating the Empire in order to be meaningful to the overall trilogy.

I'm sure I don't need to point out the parellels with ME2.

Well it is named Empire Strikes Back and that's the point of it. After episode 4 they are beaten, for the moment. And episode 5 corrects the picture that 4 left at the ending with the celebration. Also Luke learns that Vader is his father, also Han Solo gets captured which leads to the events of episode 6.

So yeah you could say that episodes 4-6 have more cohesion than ME1-ME2. Because ME2 is really like a fresh start and, if you disregard Arrival, has a sharp cut ending. It is pretty much stand alone. And people probably would have preferred to slide from one sequel to the other without having such a tough break. And Shepard's death plus 2 years coma didn't help much either tbh.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 06 décembre 2011 - 09:15 .

[Iakus]

tonnactus wrote...

iakus wrote...
That's why I was hoping that the tweets would confirm that the new Reaper would have been completed before Arrival and have been put to some nefarious purpose.

That wouldnt work because the collectors "have to go to earth" according to squadmember commands in Mass Effect 2.
Someone would ask how that one ship would have managed to defeat the alliance forces when a new normandy was to much for them...

Mac Walters tweeted a little while back that the Collectors did have more than one ship, and that eventually they would have completed the human Reaper.  I'd be willing to suspend my disbelief to the point where, left unimpeded, the Collectors would have gotten enough humans just hitting the Terminus Systems, and leave that foolish "they're going to hit Earth" be.

Then we got the tweet that the Reaper would not have been completed before Arrival, which just throws everything out the window

[Heimdall]

tonnactus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The Reapers were established as a threat, sure - and they are always stated as a threat throughout ME2 - but ME1's main threat was Saren - your goal in the game was fighting Saren and his Geth. Admittedly you were doing this to stop him reaching the Conduit and allowing the reapers to arrive, but fighting the Collectors because they were harvesting humans to build a Reaper

And exactly how that reaper would have helped and succeeded where souvereign didnt?
Not forgetting that the harvesting ship could be destroyed by a normandy alone even without weapon upgrades...
So someone would ask himself how the collectors would go after earth when one frigate alone stopped them.
And how that reaper would have helped to arrive other reapers in the milkyway?

The entire story of Mass Effect 2 is a piece of crap without any sense and purpose.
Arrival as a Dlc that a lot of players maybee not even played had more connection with the reaper threat then the main game...

Well, I'd just like to note that even without upgrades the SR-2 was still amongst the most advanced ships in the galaxy piloted by one of the galaxy's most talented pilots.  I suspect the Collecters were building other ships or planning to unleashe mass seeker swarms on earth and it's defense forces before they even arrived, but that's a discussion for another time.

That Reaper would have been as large and powerful as Sovereign.  It would have gathered allies as Sovereign did or perhaps ensure that nobody could interfere with the Alpha relay.  That being said, I thought that was only part of the reason it was under construction, the other being that the creation of a new Reper is part of the normal Reaper cycle, and the Collecters were simply accelerating the plan.

Not sure what you're talking about.  It didn't have as much of a connection with the Reaper invasion as Arrival.  It had plenty connection with the Reapers though and the squadmate stories, the focus of the story, were great.  I'd agree that ME2 was not the greatest from the standpoint of a trilogy, but the story was quite enjoyable in and of itself.

[Thompson family]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

To make money?

Good point.

[tonnactus]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Collectors had more than one ship, but even so you're right.

Source? We only see and fight one and the same ship the whole time. And if they were more ships around, why they didnt arrived to protect the base?

The only sense the human reaper would have made for my would be a replacement for sovereign after the reaper fleet arrived and won the war.

[Candidate 88766]

AlexXIV wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, one could just as easy say that Episode 5 did nothing for the story.

Not that I think so. Just saying.

You have a good point with this. Episode 5 is arguably the best in the series, but didn't add all that much to the plot. 

It starts with the protagonists being attacked, but from there the film is far more character oriented than episode 4 was. Like ME2, much of the plot is devoted to expanding the characters and the lore - apart from Luke being better with the force, the protagonists make no progress at all towards defeating the Empire. At the end of A New Hope, the Empire is still a threat. By the end of Empire Strikers Back, nothing has changed this. Luke is told he will need to defeat Vader, but he already knew this. The Empire isn't actually directly attacked. Yet it is still seen as one of the greatest films of all time. Why? Because it didn't need to expand on the plotline of defeating the Empire in order to be meaningful to the overall trilogy.

I'm sure I don't need to point out the parellels with ME2.

Well it is named Empire Strikes Back and that's the point of it. After episode 4 they are beaten, for the moment. And episode 5 corrects the picture that 4 left at the ending with the celebration. Also Luke learns that Vader is his father, also Han Solo gets captured which leads to the events of episode 6.

So yeah you could say that episodes 4-6 have more cohesion than ME1-ME2. Because ME2 is really like a fresh start and, if you disregard Arrival, has a sharp cut ending. It is pretty much stand alone. And people probably would have preferred to slide from one sequel to the other without having such a tough break. And Shepard's death plus 2 years coma didn't help much either tbh.

Don't get me wrong - Empire is a fantastic film. Its just that it doesn't really extend the storyline of the Rebels fighting the Empire. It expands, much like ME2 did, on the characters and their interactions and thats why it is so good. The revelation of Vader being Luke's father is one of the most influental moments in sci-fi cinema.

I will give you the death thing though. I just pretend Shepard was in a really bad coma - where any other hospital would unplug you, but you're not actually completely dead.

[CerberusWarrior]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, one could just as easy say that Episode 5 did nothing for the story.

Not that I think so. Just saying.

   


Episode 5 kept the story going oh but thats right Luke Skywalker and his friends did not fight puppets of the empire like Shepard has to do because Bioware has no balls to put Shepard straight up vs the reapers . The Star Wars story stayed connected all the way through Episode 6 . I can not say the same about ME . 

You do know what ME3 is about right?

   



Yeah Shepard fights the reapers but oh wait a min he has to fight a 3rd version of reaper puppets known as Cerberus . wow how orginal is that idea . 

[Candidate 88766]

tonnactus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Collectors had more than one ship, but even so you're right.

Source? We only see and fight one and the same ship the whole time. And if they were more ships around, why they didnt arrived to protect the base?

The only sense the human reaper would have made for my would be a replacement for sovereign after the reaper fleet arrived and won the war.

EDI matches the Collector Ship's signature with other 'known Collector vessels'. For her to be able to do that there must be other Collector Ships that are known about, and given how secretive they are chances are there were plenty more.

Also, the devs confirmed this via tweet recently because most people seem to have missed this line from the game, depsite it being said regardless of what you do.

[Andorfiend]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Throughout ME2's marketing Bioware repeatedly said that the characters were the story's focus.

Wait... you're judging ME2 on it's marketing now? No, I'm not being disingenuous here. Do you actually think that the marketing (not to mention dev tweets from two years after release, IIRC) should be taken into account when forming an opinion of a game?

Yes, actually. It was the initial advertising of ME as a trilogy where decisions would be saved and would impact the later games in the series that drew me to it in the first place.

Heck, if not for that ME 1 advertising claim this entire discussion would be moot.

And far more than one game, more than one company for that matter, has been destroyed by advertising that promised more than what was delivered.

Honestly ME 2 stands just fine on it's own. It's only the the context of it's place in the larger ME trilogy that you wonder what the heck happened. For example by wondering why my Paragon Sole-survivor who rescued Cpl. Toombs is willing to give TIM anything besides a rocket-boot up the arse?

[Candidate 88766]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, one could just as easy say that Episode 5 did nothing for the story.

Not that I think so. Just saying.

   


Episode 5 kept the story going oh but thats right Luke Skywalker and his friends did not fight puppets of the empire like Shepard has to do because Bioware has no balls to put Shepard straight up vs the reapers . The Star Wars story stayed connected all the way through Episode 6 . I can not say the same about ME . 

You do know what ME3 is about right?

   



Yeah Shepard fights the reapers but oh wait a min he has to fight a 3rd version of reaper puppets known as Cerberus . wow how orginal is that idea . 

Yes, but he is still fighting the Reapers directly as well. You literally just said that yourself.

[Iakus]

tonnactus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Collectors had more than one ship, but even so you're right.

Source? We only see and fight one and the same ship the whole time. And if they were more ships around, why they didnt arrived to protect the base?

The only sense the human reaper would have made for my would be a replacement for sovereign after the reaper fleet arrived and won the war.

ReaderofNovels@macwalterslives @TheTMA2 I think what fans wonder is: How could the Collectors with one ship endanger all of humanity? including Earth.

@macwalterslives@ReaderofNovels @TheTMA2 A) They had more than a single ship. Eventually they would've had a Reaper. #[SovereignWasAProblem

[AlexXIV]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, one could just as easy say that Episode 5 did nothing for the story.

Not that I think so. Just saying.

   


Episode 5 kept the story going oh but thats right Luke Skywalker and his friends did not fight puppets of the empire like Shepard has to do because Bioware has no balls to put Shepard straight up vs the reapers . The Star Wars story stayed connected all the way through Episode 6 . I can not say the same about ME . 

You do know what ME3 is about right?

   



Yeah Shepard fights the reapers but oh wait a min he has to fight a 3rd version of reaper puppets known as Cerberus . wow how orginal is that idea . 

Yes, but he is still fighting the Reapers directly as well. You literally just said that yourself.

It will be the final part so we can assume the reaper threat gets dealt with. Once and for all.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 06 décembre 2011 - 09:23 .

[Heimdall]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, one could just as easy say that Episode 5 did nothing for the story.

Not that I think so. Just saying.

   


Episode 5 kept the story going oh but thats right Luke Skywalker and his friends did not fight puppets of the empire like Shepard has to do because Bioware has no balls to put Shepard straight up vs the reapers . The Star Wars story stayed connected all the way through Episode 6 . I can not say the same about ME . 

You do know what ME3 is about right?

   



Yeah Shepard fights the reapers but oh wait a min he has to fight a 3rd version of reaper puppets known as Cerberus . wow how orginal is that idea . 

Would you rather they pretty much through out the combat from the past two games so that Shepard can spend the entire time shooting at monstrosities the smallest of which is at least a hundred times his height?

Or did you just miss the army of multi-species Husks?

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 06 décembre 2011 - 09:26 .

[tonnactus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Well, I'd just like to note that even without upgrades the SR-2 was still amongst the most advanced ships in the galaxy piloted by one of the galaxy's most talented pilots.  I suspect the Collecters were building other ships or planning to unleashe mass seeker swarms on earth and it's defense forces before they even arrived,

Yes,suspect it the right word...
Because the awfull story explained nearly nothing.
And how reapers would have able to plant seeker swarms on ships that patrol earth in space,well...
They didnt use the swarms when they abduct the crew,so that could be excluded.

It would have gathered allies as Sovereign did or perhaps ensure that nobody could interfere with the Alpha relay. 

For that job a properly outfitted collector ship would have more then enough.

[Someone With Mass]

jreezy wrote...

CerberusWarrior still mad about having to fight his idols + the Reapers I see.

It'll wear off.

Nobody will be able to defend Cerberus after the atrocities that happens in ME3 without resorting to the extremely lame "bad writing" excuse.

[Iakus]

tonnactus wrote...

It would have gathered allies as Sovereign did or perhaps ensure that nobody could interfere with the Alpha relay. 

For that job a properly outfitted collector ship would have more then enough.

It would have had to be a Collector ship.  Arrival would have taken place before the Reaper was done.l

[onelifecrisis]

iakus wrote...

Mac Walters wrote...

I think what fans wonder is: How could the Collectors with one ship endanger all of humanity? including Earth.

A) They had more than a single ship. Eventually they would've had a Reaper.

Wow. Any doubts I had about MW's incompetence have just been eradicated. The man is a moron.

Let me just re-align my expectations of ME3's plot from "bad" to "****ing dismal".

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 06 décembre 2011 - 09:47 .

[Heimdall]

tonnactus wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Well, I'd just like to note that even without upgrades the SR-2 was still amongst the most advanced ships in the galaxy piloted by one of the galaxy's most talented pilots.  I suspect the Collecters were building other ships or planning to unleashe mass seeker swarms on earth and it's defense forces before they even arrived,

Yes,suspect it the right word...
Because the awfull story explained nearly nothing.
And how reapers would have able to plant seeker swarms on ships that patrol earth in space,well...
They didnt use the swarms when they abduct the crew,so that could be excluded.

Well, as pointed out earlier, the Collecters had more than one ship and this fact was alluded to in the game, so the point is moot.

It would have gathered allies as Sovereign did or perhaps ensure that nobody could interfere with the Alpha relay.

For that job a properly outfitted collector ship would have more then enough.

Maybe, but I wasn't under the imression that the Collecters had stealth capability.  That system did have Batarian military presence.  I don't think a cruiser size ship would have gone unnoticed.

[tonnactus]

onelifecrisis wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mac Walters wrote...

I think what fans wonder is: How could the Collectors with one ship endanger all of humanity? including Earth.

A) They had more than a single ship. Eventually they would've had a Reaper.

Wow. Any doubts I had about MW's incompetence have just been eradicated. The man is a moron.

Let me just re-align my expectations of ME3's plot from "bad" to "****ing dismal".

Check it out: "But I have to be honest with you, I need to thank the
fans. One of the best sources of information on Mass Effect is the Mass
Effect Wiki. I often use it myself."

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Illusive_Man/Mac_Walters_uses_the_ME_Wiki

No comment.

[tonnactus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Well, as pointed out earlier, the Collecters had more than one ship and this fact was alluded to in the game, so the point is moot.

And where they were the entire game? Why they didnt protected such an important project like the human reaper with more then one ship? 

[onelifecrisis]

tonnactus wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mac Walters wrote...

I think what fans wonder is: How could the Collectors with one ship endanger all of humanity? including Earth.

A) They had more than a single ship. Eventually they would've had a Reaper.

Wow. Any doubts I had about MW's incompetence have just been eradicated. The man is a moron.

Let me just re-align my expectations of ME3's plot from "bad" to "****ing dismal".

Check it out: "But I have to be honest with you, I need to thank the
fans. One of the best sources of information on Mass Effect is the Mass
Effect Wiki. I often use it myself."

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Illusive_Man/Mac_Walters_uses_the_ME_Wiki

No comment.

*shakes head*

Good grief.
I suppose I should have known.
Well, that's the last straw for me. I'm not buying, and there's now one less "whiner" on BSN.