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[tetrisblock4x1]

111987 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

cr3ative_name wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Yezdigerd wrote...

Really I'm not saying nothing happens in ME2, but most is expanding on things you have in ME1. ME2 should really have been about getting the tools and alliances to fight the reapers. Instead nothing happens except you collect a bunch of misfits and blow up some stuff that gives you no reason to believe will make any difference in the war to come.

That's how I feel ME2 should have gone.
Instead of just introducing the geth duality, actually have a major conflict dealing with it.  At the end, possible peace negotiations started with the quarians and geth, or, at least have Shepards involvement actual push the quarians/geth to war.  The resolution would then be a major plot point in ME3
Instead of Mordin stopping Maelin and just dumping the data either on his desk or a bit bucket, he could have actually started work on a real cure for the krogans or ensuring that no cure would be possible.  Resolution in ME3 with either the krogan helping Shepard or just ignoring calls for help.
In my mind, the quarian/geth conflict is not something that can easily be put into just a small part of a game.  No matter how people feel about the war and the two races, securing at least one if not both species support is manditory to me.  Hell, ME2 could have been 80% about that conflict.
It's clear ME3 must either deal with this conflict or Tali and Legion's addition to the game pointless.

The reason why I'm so excited about ME3 is precisely because there will be a climax for all these side stories on top of the main kill-the-Reapers story. Putting all these exciting climaxes into ME2 instead of ME3 would have, imo, made ME3 much less interesting since, as one poster just mentioned, it would make ME3's plot a very linear one, which I think isn't what any of us want in a good RPG.

So they'd wrap up every ME2 plot in ME2 and come up with some new **** for the alliances formed up in ME3 to do. There are something like 9 or more interested parties, 2 of them are human (alliance vs cerberus), and there are the quarians vs geth vs heretics, the krogan vs salarians, and a few other conflicting parties on a smaller scale. Good writers could come up with a satisfying conclusion to a trilogy with a hell of a lot less going for them than what Bioware have given themselves to work with. Now they're going to cram all of this stuff into part three?

Would you rather them have crammed all the alliance building into part two?

If all the alliances were formed, all you'd be doing in ME3 is fighting the Reaper armies. Which would anger a lot of people.

in-fighting. Any Mass Effect alliance is absolutely guaranteed to be unstable.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 04 décembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[goofyomnivore]

You aren't recruiting squad-mates for a space battle. You prepare for a space battle by upgrading the Normandy.

Yeah we're putting all our hopes on a singular ship versus one or possibly more ships with equal or superior technology. I still don't understand why the Collectors didn't just blow the ship up when they disabled it and abducted the crew, voila problem solved war is won.

[Sgt Stryker]

Because EDI slammed on the gas in the nick of time?

[CerberusWarrior]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

111987 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

cr3ative_name wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Yezdigerd wrote...

Really I'm not saying nothing happens in ME2, but most is expanding on things you have in ME1. ME2 should really have been about getting the tools and alliances to fight the reapers. Instead nothing happens except you collect a bunch of misfits and blow up some stuff that gives you no reason to believe will make any difference in the war to come.

That's how I feel ME2 should have gone.
Instead of just introducing the geth duality, actually have a major conflict dealing with it.  At the end, possible peace negotiations started with the quarians and geth, or, at least have Shepards involvement actual push the quarians/geth to war.  The resolution would then be a major plot point in ME3
Instead of Mordin stopping Maelin and just dumping the data either on his desk or a bit bucket, he could have actually started work on a real cure for the krogans or ensuring that no cure would be possible.  Resolution in ME3 with either the krogan helping Shepard or just ignoring calls for help.
In my mind, the quarian/geth conflict is not something that can easily be put into just a small part of a game.  No matter how people feel about the war and the two races, securing at least one if not both species support is manditory to me.  Hell, ME2 could have been 80% about that conflict.
It's clear ME3 must either deal with this conflict or Tali and Legion's addition to the game pointless.

The reason why I'm so excited about ME3 is precisely because there will be a climax for all these side stories on top of the main kill-the-Reapers story. Putting all these exciting climaxes into ME2 instead of ME3 would have, imo, made ME3 much less interesting since, as one poster just mentioned, it would make ME3's plot a very linear one, which I think isn't what any of us want in a good RPG.

So they'd wrap up every ME2 plot in ME2 and come up with some new **** for the alliances formed up in ME3 to do. There are something like 9 or more interested parties, 2 of them are human (alliance vs cerberus), and there are the quarians vs geth vs heretics, the krogan vs salarians, and a few other conflicting parties on a smaller scale. Good writers could come up with a satisfying conclusion to a trilogy with a hell of a lot less going for them than what Bioware have given themselves to work with. Now they're going to cram all of this stuff into part three?

Would you rather them have crammed all the alliance building into part two?

If all the alliances were formed, all you'd be doing in ME3 is fighting the Reaper armies. Which would anger a lot of people.

in-fighting. Any Mass Effect alliance is absolutely guaranteed to be unstable.

  



The alliance sucks

[goofyomnivore]

The Shadow Broker only had pieces of his probes return. And he was the only one ever to be successful. Nothing else that ever went through returned. For all we know, TIM did send probes through (he says he is dedicating all resources to finding a way through the Omega 4 Relay) and they just didn't return.

The Shadow Broker had obtained information from the probes about what is beyond the O4R. The AI Drone says that nearly word for word.

I'm pretty sure TIM could of gotten a probe through. If not he could of tested the Reaper IFF out on em and gotten them through that way.

[111987]

strive wrote...

You aren't recruiting squad-mates for a space battle. You prepare for a space battle by upgrading the Normandy.

Yeah we're putting all our hopes on a singular ship versus one or possibly more ships with equal or superior technology. I still don't understand why the Collectors didn't just blow the ship up when they disabled it and abducted the crew, voila problem solved war is won.

They probably were going to after they abducted everyone, but as Sgt. Stryker said, EDI's interfence allowed them to escape.

Cerberus was nearly broke after completing the Normandy. They couldn't just throw another one together.

[goofyomnivore]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Because EDI slammed on the gas in the nick of time?

Umm? The ship is disabled long enough for a crippled pilot to walk, climb, and crawl all the way to the Engine Room. I'm sure that is ample time for the Collectors to ummm "charge their laser".

I had poor grammar on what I was trying to say, English isn't my native language

What I meant was; Why didn't they just blow up the Normandy instead of abducting the crew?

Modifié par strive, 04 décembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[111987]

strive wrote...

The Shadow Broker only had pieces of his probes return. And he was the only one ever to be successful. Nothing else that ever went through returned. For all we know, TIM did send probes through (he says he is dedicating all resources to finding a way through the Omega 4 Relay) and they just didn't return.

The Shadow Broker had obtained information from the probes about what is beyond the O4R. The AI Drone says that nearly word for word.

I'm pretty sure TIM could of gotten a probe through. If not he could of tested the Reaper IFF out on em and gotten them through that way.

No, it doesn't. All the drone says is that it recovered pieces of probes sent through the Omega 4 Relay. Listen to it again.

How could TIM get a probe through, if no ship has ever returned? Without the IFF the probe would likely jump right into a black hole or sun. And unless Cerberus outfits all their probes with super expensive QE technology, the probe wouldn't be able to relay information back anyways (because of distance and radiation interference in the core)

[goofyomnivore]

Cerberus was nearly broke after completing the Normandy. They couldn't just throw another one together.

They never mention being broke. They just say Shepard was expensive.

Modifié par strive, 04 décembre 2011 - 04:36 .

[111987]

strive wrote...

strive wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Because EDI slammed on the gas in the nick of time?

Umm? The ship is disabled long enough for a crippled pilot to walk, climb, and crawl all the way to the Engine Room. I'm sure that is ample time for the Collectors to ummm "charge their laser".

I had poor grammar on what I was trying to say, English isn't my native language

What I meant was; Why didn't they just blow up the Normandy instead of abducting the crew?

Cerberus was nearly broke after completing the Normandy. They couldn't just throw another one together.

They never mention being broke. They just say Shepard was expensive.

I didn't say they were broke. But they had already invested several billions into Shepard and the Normandy. They don't have unlimited resources.

[Sgt Stryker]

strive wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Because EDI slammed on the gas in the nick of time?

Umm? The ship is disabled long enough for a crippled pilot to walk, climb, and crawl all the way to the Engine Room. I'm sure that is ample time for the Collectors to ummm "charge their laser".

I had poor grammar on what I was trying to say, English isn't my native language

What I meant was; Why didn't they just blow up the Normandy instead of abducting the crew?

I dunno. To try and capture Shepard, maybe? Once they discovered that he wasn't on board, they were probably like "Ah screw it, at least we grabbed a few more humans! Oh well, let's get our people on board and blow this little ship."
*Normandy flies away*
"Well damn, looks like we missed one."

This is all speculation on my part, however. The fact of the matter is, the Collectors dun goof'd.

[goofyomnivore]

I dunno. To try and capture Shepard, maybe?

If they're in the Normandy's system they can most likely detect who is and isn't on the ship. I think it is quite obvious they do by the fact they load pods onto the ship immediately and arrive after Shepard leaves.

Collectors dun'goofing is crap writing. Especially them goofing for like the fifth time now.

Modifié par strive, 04 décembre 2011 - 04:42 .

[Sgt Stryker]

And yet they brought along a Praetorian and a few Scions? Talk about overkill if you want to capture a bunch of noncombatants. Also, "they're in our systems" is not definitive proof that they hacked into the ship's surveillance cameras. If they did, they would have combed the ship for Joker.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 04 décembre 2011 - 04:45 .

[goofyomnivore]

If they can shut down the Normandy completely. I bet knowing if the shuttle is there or not isn't exactly a tall task. The Scions and Praetorians are umm collecting? I remember a Scion dragging Kelly down the elevator.

[goofyomnivore]

If they did, they would have combed the ship for Joker.

Why Joker? Why the hell did EDI ask him the cripple to crawl down there, push a button, and open EDI's systems? Why can't she be like "sup Chakwas press that button"

[Sgt Stryker]

strive wrote...

If they can shut down the Normandy completely. I bet knowing if the shuttle is there or not isn't exactly a tall task. The Scions and Praetorians are umm collecting? I remember a Scion dragging Kelly down the elevator.

That's exactly my point - why bring the heavy hitters if all you're doing is collecting a starship crew who don't know how to fight as infantry? And you can't know if the shuttle is docked unless you have a way of seeing the interior of the ship. Also, the Normandy wasn't shut down completely. EDI, the lights, environmental systems, and artificial gravity were all still operational.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 04 décembre 2011 - 05:13 .

[PrinceLionheart]

ME2 honestly felt like it could've been an expansion pack. Some nice side stories, but the main plot didn't really move forward until The Arrival dlc.

[PrinceLionheart]

jreezy wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

ME2 honestly felt like it could've been an expansion pack. Some nice side stories, but the main plot didn't really move forward until The Arrival dlc.

I've never seen a 30 hr expansion pack on a console before.

Keywork being "could've." Didn't say it was. Honestly, especially considering how so many of the ME2 teammates are being demoted anyway, Bioware could've cut out a lot of the fluff and nothing of value would've been lost. In the long run, and doesn't even seem like the Suicide mission is really important since it was the Arrival DLC that the plot will be picking up from.

[AlexXIV]

Calinstel wrote...

strive wrote...

If they did, they would have combed the ship for Joker.

Why Joker? Why the hell did EDI ask him the cripple to crawl down there, push a button, and open EDI's systems? Why can't she be like "sup Chakwas press that button"

Well, you really didn't think they would let us play with Dr. Chakwas.  She's a proper lady and does not play with just anyone.

Maybe Chakwas wasn't authorized? Joker is the helmsman of the ship so he is probably the only one aside from Shepard who can release the Normandy fully into EDI's control. And deligating such a task to someone else is I think a bad idea in general. Especially since they probably didn't think about the option that the Collectors could ever board the Normandy. Even though, after they found and destroyed the first Normandy they should probably have suspected that something like this is possible.

[AwakenxBenihime]

jreezy wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

ME2 honestly felt like it could've been an expansion pack. Some nice side stories, but the main plot didn't really move forward until The Arrival dlc.

I've never seen a 30 hr expansion pack on a console before.

Any of the SIMS expansions... I guess they could be counted as stand alone games though.
Persona 3 FES' "The Answer" is at least 30 hours.
Any Map pack could be played for more than 30 hours.
It can be argued that Final Fantasy X-2 and 13-2 are expansions. X-2 if rushed can be beaten under 20 hours without any side missions and I'm sure 13-2 will be very long too.

[Sgt Stryker]

jreezy wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

ME2 honestly felt like it could've been an expansion pack. Some nice side stories, but the main plot didn't really move forward until The Arrival dlc.

I've never seen a 30 hr expansion pack on a console before.

It even comes with its own expansion packs. Wait. EA/Bioware put an expansion pack in an expansion pack?

[Sgt Stryker]

AlexXIV wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

strive wrote...

If they did, they would have combed the ship for Joker.

Why Joker? Why the hell did EDI ask him the cripple to crawl down there, push a button, and open EDI's systems? Why can't she be like "sup Chakwas press that button"

Well, you really didn't think they would let us play with Dr. Chakwas.  She's a proper lady and does not play with just anyone.

Maybe Chakwas wasn't authorized? Joker is the helmsman of the ship so he is probably the only one aside from Shepard who can release the Normandy fully into EDI's control. And deligating such a task to someone else is I think a bad idea in general. Especially since they probably didn't think about the option that the Collectors could ever board the Normandy. Even though, after they found and destroyed the first Normandy they should probably have suspected that something like this is possible.

Honestly, if it was up to me, I would not allow the ship's AI to be released without the express approval of both the CO and XO - kinda like how launching the nukes on a nuclear submarine requires both of these officers to turn their keys at exactly the same time.