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[Harmless Citizen]

I now have a mental image of Liara talking to herself...

*Shepard walks by*
Liara: He/She will be mine...oh yes he/she will be mine!
Joker: Uh...cool?...
EDI: My sensors indicate she wants to tap that.

Pretty sure this happens between scenes.

[CptData]

jreezy wrote...

FaWa wrote...

I don't think Garrus is a cannon romance. 

I don't think anyone is a canon romance. That would imply other romances are regarded as "fanon" or whatever and that's definitely not the case.

As I said, that's what I believe BW intended to do first. Liara seems to be far more favored than anyone else. The VS seems to be the primary competitor to Liara, followed by the cast of ME2. I won't go into any details here *cough* spoiler *cough* - it just looks like that.

However, it seems as if BW learned that the fans like the romance arcs and see them as something important and contributing to the story, so the developers reviewed any LI. Guess it has a lot to do with "sidelining" ME1!LI in ME2 - they won't do the same mistake again since it was quite upsetting for a great portion of the fandom.

Just my interpretation. Currently I would say NO LI is canon anymore - or it is canon Shepard finds his or her love, but it's not said who this love will be.

[Drone223]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

FaWa wrote...

I don't think Garrus is a cannon romance. 

I don't think anyone is a canon romance. That would imply other romances are regarded as "fanon" or whatever and that's definitely not the case.

No, no, note the extra "n". Garrus is a cannon romance, as he calibrates the Thanix Cannon. It's very clear.

No Garrus is the only cannon romance, but he is not the canon romance, no one is 

[Vilio1]

Random Nobody wrote...

I know exactly what the word means, but thank you for the highly informative post.

I'm not saying she ever literally stalked Shepard. But she is characterised in such a manner that (if non-romanced) is reminiscent of an crushing, obsessed cartoon character. She hits nearly all the hallmarks.

Interesting - now she is no stalker but a crushing, obsessed cartoon character (whatever that may be).

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

jreezy wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

FaWa wrote...

I don't think Garrus is a cannon romance. 

I don't think anyone is a canon romance. That would imply other romances are regarded as "fanon" or whatever and that's definitely not the case.

No, no, note the extra "n". Garrus is a cannon romance, as he calibrates the Thanix Cannon. It's very clear.

Of course. Genius!

Makes perfect sense.

[Harmless Citizen]

Interesting - now she is no stalker but a crushing, obsessed cartoon character (whatever that may be).

Butthurt alert.

Time to stop before the rage rolls in.

[Stalker]

Only thing I didn't like was that everyone wants to have a relationship with you, even if you are mean to them. You almost got forced into a love interest.

[Harmless Citizen]

Did you play BroShep? I think it's worse in that regard if you're male. As FemShep you can avoid romances pretty easily. As a male, being even moderately polite is enough to convince the crew members they are becoming your love interest.

[Harmless Citizen]

Alternatively, you could just not talk to Liara...or not follow her dialogue tree up until the point she professes romantic interest.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Random Nobody wrote...

Alternatively, you could just not talk to Liara...or not follow her dialogue tree up until the point she professes romantic interest.

Or recruit her last.

[Someone With Mass]

Random Nobody wrote...

Alternatively, you could just not talk to Liara...or not follow her dialogue tree up until the point she professes romantic interest.

I think they did it better in LotSB, where there's a pretty good point where you either talk about your relationship or move on/admit that you're with someone else. 

Of course, that one could use a little work too, as it was a little difficult to tell when the romance was set in stone.

[Dariustwinblade]

One of Liara's Lotsb romance path leads to her dumping you. I found it funny how brutally she leaves a brooding-emo-shepard hanging.


I find it strange that an apparantly obssessed character can dump you so coldly. Liara hates brooding idiots. She is the only character that can dump you.

[Harmless Citizen]

I think all of them can, actually.

[Dariustwinblade]

No, Shepard has to dump them Jack, Miri, Tali, Garrus, Thane in all case it Shepard who has to end the relationship.

None of them leave Shepard hanging after Shepard starts a romance.

In case of Liara in the end of Lotsb even if you romance her.

If you choose the.

Paraphase
"death most likely"

When she talks about the future of their relationship.


Followed by
" I don't know"

Liara leave Shepard hanging alone in the cabin with two full glass of wine without anyone to drink with.


Its brutal and funny and I did this once to see the result in me3.

[feliciano2040]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Liara leave Shepard hanging alone in the cabin with two full glass of wine without anyone to drink with.

Its brutal and funny and I did this once to see the result in me3.

It's not like she dumps you even if you were giving her a chance though.

It actually would be a surprise if you tried to romance someone in the game, and at the very last minute they'd back out.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

jreezy wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Random Nobody wrote...

Alternatively, you could just not talk to Liara...or not follow her dialogue tree up until the point she professes romantic interest.

Or recruit her last.

I laughed at her the first time I did that.

Though my LotSB run was much creepier with that particular Liara...

I mean that Shep knew her for like a week and two years later he finds a hunk of his armor in her apartment...

I just know he was thinking "...creepy.".

I get the feeling that he was mildly wigged out by the "couldn't let you go" vibes she was giving off.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 05 décembre 2011 - 07:10 .

[someguy1231]

Personally I wish that Bioware had never included romance in the games to begin with. It's all come across as forced and without substance in my eyes. I don't consider a few forced flirtatious lines followed by a laughably bad cutscene of dry-humping to be "romance". If you're seriously turned on by romance as depicted in ME games, then to me you're no different than one of those hardcore Twilight fans who thinks the books are the "most romantic ever!"

I've also always considered the romances to be a waste of resources which could be better spent on other things, like more polish, more types of enemies, more worlds, etc. I also feel it's thinly-veiled cash-grab to fans of dating sims. (Many of the multiplayer opponents use the same arguments. Therefore, I think anyone who opposes MP for those reasons but supports the romances is a hypocrite. But that is a discussion for another thread...)

I'm not saying romance has no place in video games. I've seen countless examples of romance in video games handled better than ME. It's just that Bioware, quite simply, cannot write romance at all. Portraying everyone in the game as Shepherd-sexual just reinforces the fact that the whole atmosphere is programmed and artificial. That alone would be bad enough, but the romances themselves are also horrible, as I've already said. So to answer the OP, the romances are worse than "meh". Much worse.

[JosephDucreux]

Wtf why the long-ass necro?

[CptData]

someguy1231 wrote...

Personally I wish that Bioware had never included romance in the games to begin with. It's all come across as forced and without substance in my eyes. I don't consider a few forced flirtatious lines followed by a laughably bad cutscene of dry-humping to be "romance". If you're seriously turned on by romance as depicted in ME games, then to me you're no different than one of those hardcore Twilight fans who thinks the books are the "most romantic ever!"

You know, you don't have to pick any romance.
Some of them feel forced, I concur, other come quite natural.
And acording to that first paragraph, I'd say you never played ME1 but started the series with ME2. There the romances had not enough time to grow - they appear out of nowhere just after you're done with that particular loyalty mission.

I've also always considered the romances to be a waste of resources which could be better spent on other things, like more polish, more types of enemies, more worlds, etc. I also feel it's thinly-veiled cash-grab to fans of dating sims. (Many of the multiplayer opponents use the same arguments. Therefore, I think anyone who opposes MP for those reasons but supports the romances is a hypocrite. But that is a discussion for another thread...)

Think we had enough types of enemies in the game. Besides that: 100 lines of lovey-dovey-talk are less expensive than creating two new types of enemies in case you need to build them from scratch including new weapons, new animations and such. As long as you only have to slap new textures on any given enemy, you'll save a lot of money.
Plus: gameplay & game feeling is important. ME-series would feel a lot less -addicting- without those romance side story arcs.

You don't have to play them, but they add something to the game you don't have in a normal shooter or RPG without such options.

Saving money? Lemme put it this way: 2 characters less in ME2 and you'd have enough money for full romance story arcs for the rest of the characters.

I'm not saying romance has no place in video games. I've seen countless examples of romance in video games handled better than ME. It's just that Bioware, quite simply, cannot write romance at all. Portraying everyone in the game as Shepherd-sexual just reinforces the fact that the whole atmosphere is programmed and artificial. That alone would be bad enough, but the romances themselves are also horrible, as I've already said. So to answer the OP, the romances are worse than "meh". Much worse.

Tbh, that's just half of the truth. First: some romances do feel unfinished and/or rushed *cough* ME2 romances *cough*. If you started the series with ME2, I can see where you come from. If you started with ME1, I can't concur. The three ME1!romances were done in a good way. Not perfect, but believeable and good enough for a game of that time and a focus on entirely different stuff.

The romances are needed to give Shepard a reason to fight for. I started to grow a dislike for characters who fight because of the fight, not because of something they care for. Therefore, it doesn't matter if romance arcs are insignificant to the main story line - they're there to get the player's attention, to make the universe and the game's hero more authentic - you name it.