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[caradoc2000]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

There is only one thing that is bothering me. I got the chance to start homosexual relationships as soon as I found Anders and Fenris... I also had the chance to trigger the start of the relationship with Isabela. But so far, there was no option (heart shaped icon) to start the relationship with Merril...

You do get one of those with Merrill before the deep roads. Romances don't really get going until after the DR, though.

[dragonflight288]

Don't worry about the romance fellow Merrill-shipper. The romances really get going in Act 2, after the Deep Roads. You need to get her friendship/rivlary to 25 percent to start the romance, and 100 percent by Act 3 to....not spoiling. You'll find Act 2 is actually the best of the three, as it had the most time dedicated to developing it...or that's what it feels like when I play the game.

All the love interests are bisexual. You can flirt with Aveline but it goes over her head. If you are a boy, the boys may like you, if you are a girl, the girls may like you, but everyone does like you in your party. I find that annoying. Give me set strait, gay, or bi companions and let the banter annoy each other. Leliana flirting with Morrigan was always a hoot.

Morrigan: I would sooner let Alistair dress me than you.

Leliana: It will be fun, the dresses will be cut low to show off your figure.

Morrigan: Stop looking at my breasts like that, tis most disturbing!'

If you plan to play the DLCs, I think Legacy is good in Act 2, and Mark of the Assassin is good in Act 3. You can have your sister in your party in both of them, and it makes for fun dialgoue with the companions.

[esper]

Romances are first act 2, though you should have had one flirt line with Merrill before that. The important ones are act 2 so you shouldn't be in problems.

[DiegoProgMetal]

Oh... gaming hangover...

[DiegoProgMetal]

The creepy zombie/frankenstein mother was... ... ... creepy!

There are less missions now. They are longer than the ones in the first act. Helping Aveline with her LI was really funny!

Dealing with qunari matter... I have a feeling that this will not end well...

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 31 janvier 2012 - 01:35 .

[dragonflight288]

If you don't want spoilers to the end of Act 2, don't watch the trailers to the game. But if you took Bethany AND Anders to the Deep Roads, she could join the Grey Wardens instead of die.

And yes, the Frankenstein's bride is creepy. And I do enjoy Aveline's story.

By the by, is your Hawke aggressive, diplomatic, or sarcastic?

[DiegoProgMetal]

 End of the marathon! About 36 hours of gameplay! Did almost every sidequest I found. only two were left behind in the end of the Act 2, and 2 more in the end of the game. 
I'm so tired right now that I can't even think of something to say. But a few words! Fu**!!!! I want Dragon Age 3! 
Bodhan and Sandal are going to Québec Orlais, so DA3 will obviously be set there. 

At the end, I had more questions than answers... Why the grey wardens just appeared there right in the middle of the battle against the qunari, then went away claiming they had a more important mission to do???? What was Leliana doing at the ending? Why did they said the champion "disappeared just like the warden"? Ok, Hawke ran away, but what about his sister? Would he leave her behind??? And the Warden, why would he disappear? Will we see both of them in DA3?

Ok, I got to sleep before I just fall down... It's 6:25 am here... so tomorrow... I mean today, maybe tonight, I will post more detailed thoughts... 

I should go! Oh, Mark Meer did some VO in the game, or at least he was listed in the credits... I wonder who did he voiced... Somebody please make me stop! "PLEASE, MAKE IT STOP!" Ok, I'm gonne! 

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 31 janvier 2012 - 01:36 .

[caradoc2000]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

What was my sweet Leliana doing at the ending

Hawke does meet her twice in the DLC, once in the Exiled Prince and the second time during Mark of the Assassin.

Oh, Mark Meer did some VO in the game, or at least he was listed in the credits... I wonder who did he voiced...

Jethann

Modifié par caradoc2000, 30 décembre 2011 - 01:51 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Wow! I am impressed. Talk about an intense gaming session! 36 hours in one week? Maybe two? Nicely done.

Let us know what your thoughts are when you have recovered from your gaming hangover!

[dragonflight288]

36 straight hours? Two words. "Wow!"

Okay, so glad you are in the Dragon Age spirit. You'll want to download two or three dlc's. The something Prince with Sebastian Vael joining your party, Legacy, and Mark of the Assassin. You see Leliana in both Legacy and Mark of the Assassin. And Sebastain actually (if you have him in the party with your sister in the DLCs), well there's mutual attraction on both Sebastian's and Bethany's view. And he has awesome armor. Andraste's face is his belt buckle so Anders makes some humorous comments about that and everyone else mentions his armor in some fashion in banter.

[DiegoProgMetal]

I'm sorry I did not post anything lately... I'm on my second walkthrough, this time I'm cheating, using a save game editor to make things easier and faster, since I got to get back to work on monday.

I've downloaded and played the dlc's before the second walkthrough. MotA is clearly fanfic...
Q&A: (actually, just the A's)
My Hwake was mostly diplomatic, but was very aggressive when he had to protect his mother, sister and Merrill, and when the qunari atacked the city. During MotA, he was completely sarcastic.

Meer sounds really different when not trying to make a "bada**" voice.

I sided with the mages. Would be completely weird not to do that having a sister and a "wife" that are both mages. I told Anders to go away, but he showed up again in the final stand against the Templars and I accepted him back. Fenris sided with the templars, but I talked him back in the final battle.

I did not play 36 straight hours, 36 hours was the total of gameplay. Without the dlcs. With the dlcs it jumped to 45 hours.

Some thoughts:
1 - the qunari are fuc**** communists! (I don't want to start a political sh**storm here, but that's my way of thinking.)

2 - why the fu** did Orsino used blood magic just to turn into a giant monster and attack both friends and foes?!? It makes no sense!

3 - the cinematic trailer is freaking awesome! I wonder when will the games have that quality... but, was that a warrior or mage Hawke??? which leads to...

4 - It's a shame we can't be a mixed class, learning a little bit of everything. Why a mage would not be capable of using a sword? They use their staffs on melee ranged fights as a "melee enchanted" weapon.

5 - Killing the Arishock felt so good! It was really the high point of the game. The Champion of Kirkwall!

Ok, time to rest, cause tomorrow the cruel real life knocks at my door. I'll post more thoughts as I replay the game.

Oh, now I see: the experience has reached its end... It makes me sad. Well, maybe not, I still want to get more data and results. I know this will look like losing the focus of this thread, but I want to know what you guys expect from DA3? How will Felicia's dlc affect the lore, now that apparently the qunari have agents/spies ***KGB:whistle:***... Will we meet the Champion and the Warden?

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 31 janvier 2012 - 01:37 .

[esper]

The Hawke from the trailer is a blood mage. Not a cross clas.
How did you kill the arishokk? Duel or team battle.
You didn't do legacy?

[DiegoProgMetal]

esper wrote...

The Hawke from the trailer is a blood mage. Not a cross clas.
How did you kill the arishokk? Duel or team battle.
You didn't do legacy?

Blood mage, but still fighting with a big sword... That would be cool if possible in the game.

The fight against the Arishok was my team against him and his "personal guard"...

Yes, I played Legacy, felt a little disconnected, extremely strealined... But still nice, I liked the view of "grey" grey wardens, that can be corrupted too and not so Mary Sue, but still felt like the Deep Roads, and I hate the Deep Roads. MotA had its good points too, like the "Metal Gear Solid" moments... But the story... I didn't expect Felicia/Tallis would be a qunari. Quoting Varric, "Maybe they've cut off her horns", I lol'd when he said that.

Since I'm still wake, I'll say something: Sandal may have a bigger role in DA3. His "Enchantments" and "Booms" will have to be used "for something" or "by someone". Or at least I think so... And who was the woman he said he was seeing at his bed? Flemeth?

[esper]

Nope. staff of paralathan sorry. It is a bonus item for subscribing too something I think.
Personally I enjoy the legacy more than mark, mostly because I did not like Tallis at all and honestly just wanted to dithc way before the grotto and I also liked the fathers story. Did you side with Janeka or Larius and did you help Tallis or went your own way (not that that matters much)?
Also (Sorry for asking so many question but I have been away do to examns and has not quite followed you) what happened to Isabella?
As for Sandal... He seems to the enternal enchanter for player characters and his profecy are creepy. A lot are guessing flemeth but no one knows.

[DiegoProgMetal]

esper wrote...

Nope. staff of paralathan sorry. It is a bonus item for subscribing too something I think.
Personally I enjoy the legacy more than mark, mostly because I did not like Tallis at all and honestly just wanted to dithc way before the grotto and I also liked the fathers story. Did you side with Janeka or Larius and did you help Tallis or went your own way (not that that matters much)?
Also (Sorry for asking so many question but I have been away do to examns and has not quite followed you) what happened to Isabella?
As for Sandal... He seems to the enternal enchanter for player characters and his profecy are creepy. A lot are guessing flemeth but no one knows.

Larius, he seemed crazy but honest. I helped Tallis, cause I thought if I didn't the quest would just end. Isabela ran away with the Tome, never to be seen again... That was sad, cause I invested good equipment on her, and by near the end of the game I almost didn't have any choice for companions...

[dragonflight288]

You need to activate her frienship/rival dialogue before tracking down the tome of Koslun.

[ladyshamen]

Wow! I have missed out on a lot. Too much being sick in my house. Congrats on finishing the game! And if you download the GFF editor, you can cross class. I'm playing what I call an Arcane Rogue. She's tons of fun.

[DiegoProgMetal]

ladyshamen wrote...

Wow! I have missed out on a lot. Too much being sick in my house. Congrats on finishing the game! And if you download the GFF editor, you can cross class. I'm playing what I call an Arcane Rogue. She's tons of fun.

Yes, I'm using gff, how can I cross class?
Edit: I guess I know how, using copy/paste to get the companions abilities. Gonna try that.


In this second walkthrough (this time cheating), I changed the approval rate of every companion to 95, cause if you change it directly to 100, the game doesn't consider you got their friendship. I got everyones friendship now. This time, Isabela came back and gave the Tome to the Arishok, but I refused to let them go with her, so I had the solo fight with him. Piece of cake with the cheats, but considering it still took about 1 minute to kill him, this would probably be one of the hardest fights in the game, if not the hardest. Now I'm in act 3, everyone's asked me to do their final quest. Already did Fenris' quest and killed his old master, but told him to spare his sister.
Now I'm going to do the Sebastian's quest. Already talked with Leliana, but had to save the game and sleep, cause I had to wake up in less than 4 hours to work.
From now on, things will go slower. With work, and some other stuff I wont have much time to play. Now you are free to give me "spoils". I probably will not make a third round before ME3, so you are free to tell me what are the other situations that may happen in different choices than those that I made. Like, what happened when you played, what choices did you make and their consequenses, and such... I know the choices barelly make any difference, but even the minor differences might be interesting.
Ok. Work now. See you guys!

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 31 janvier 2012 - 01:46 .

[Marvin_Arnold]

sorry, was/am away for the holidays...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

I sided with the mages. Would be completely weird not to do that having a sister and a "wife" that are both mages. I told Anders to go away, but he showed up again in the final stand against the Templars and I accepted him back. Fenris sided with the templars, but I talked him back in the final battle.

First time, I sided with the mages, too. My Hawke "got" romanced by Anders, and was betrayed by him. (The Chantry blow-up was a major jaw-dropping moment for me. Brought back dark memories of 9/11, which I had accidentally witnessed live on TV...) Still, as much as it hurt, I couldn't kill him. It was more of a principle thing. "Now you help clean up the mess you made!!" On my current playthrough, he'll have to side WITH the templars... Heh, heh... sweet revenge is sweet...

Same thing with Fenris happened to me, too.

- why the fu** did Orsino used blood magic just to turn into a giant monster and attack both friends and foes?!? It makes no sense!

I've read that this was simply because the producers felt they needed another boss fight... So stupid, because most of the people he harms are those who are on his side...

DA3? How will Felicia's dlc affect the lore, now that apparently the qunari have agents/spies ***KGB:whistle:***... Will we meet the Champion and the Warden?

Given the (lack of) respect that is shown to DA canon by the devs, I suspect almost nothing will affect DA3... The only thing that is known so far is that DA3 will again be a separate story, probably set in Orlais or Seheron (IIRC). If it's the latter, we might meet a lot of Qunari... (I'd have preferred to see gloriously decaying Minrathous/Tevinter) So, my hopes of meeting the Warden or Hawke are low...

Modifié par Marvin_Arnold, 02 janvier 2012 - 12:10 .

[Fast Jimmy]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

 Piece of cake with the cheats, but considering it still took about 1 minute to kill him, this would probably be one of the hardest fights in the game, if not the hardest.

Ugh. You have no idea. I had to run around kiting with this mo'fo for over twenty minutes, getting one-hit-killed with his sword impalement and having to start all over. Not to mention he has his own supply of potions to keep the battle going... it was rough.

I probably will not make a third round before ME3, so you are free to tell me what are the other situations that may happen in different choices than those that I made. Like, what happened when you played, what choices did you make and their consequenses, and such... I know the choices barelly make any difference, but even the minor differences might be interesting.
Ok. Work now. See you guys!

You mostly see differences with companion quests. Do you help Fenris, or do you turn him over; do you help Isabella or do you turn her over; do you help Merril or tell her to give up. Even the quests where it seems like you have a choice ends up with the NPCs doing and saying the same things. For instance, if you decide to attack the templars and free the blood mages who were following Decimus, it still shows them as being captured in the Gallows the next time you visit there. Or if you give the vote of confidence that templar Kerran, saying he was not possessed, then he is still kicked out of the order.

The only non-companion quest I can think of is with Feynriel, where depending on what you do, he can either leave for Tevinter to hone his craft, turn into a vigilante and kill a rapist or, if he is turned into an abomination, there is later a scene where you have to hunt down a mob of people who have been driven crazy by the demon infiltrating their dreams.

Its been a while since I've played around. I know there are a few things that are different based on your DAO choices or what pre-set choices you started DA2 with, but they are few and far between, mostly affecting codex entries rather than the actual story.

[DiegoProgMetal]

I've been thinking, I'm getting near to the end of this second round, and it's almost time to decide the fate of Anders. I told him to go away the first time, and then got him back at the last stand... But, isn't what he did an act of terrorism? He may have his reasons, he claims that it was necessary as a "wake up call" to free the mages from the chantry. (Keep this first argument in mind, mmmkay)... I also agree that the mages shouldn't be locked away by some damned church just because they MAY endanger other people, but anyone in the DA universe can get a sword and go out on a killing spree. Now get back to the first argument. Anders had his reasons and believed in his reasons. But so did the terrorists from 9/11... One may say: "Well, but 9/11 was caused by some religious lunatics that don't accept how other people think, while with Anders, he did that to free a big amount of people that are treated as prisoners just because they were born with special abilities..."
Now, please, I just brought 9/11 cause Marvin talked about it, let's not focus on this or any other terrorist act. Let's just focus on Anders. In his case, does the end justify the means? If I had the option, I would have him arrested and judged. But in game, we don't have this option, it's either kill him or let him go without punishment. So now, I really don't know what to do. Anders claims to be Justice. But what would be justice in his case? Don't think about friendship or utility of him as a healer. Think only on his act, his motives, and what is the proper reaction to his actions.

What am I thinking?
A - If I kill Anders, Justice will be free to merge with any other mage, and keep doing whatever he/it thinks is a just cause, and Anders will be a martyr and an inspiration to others.
B - If I don't kill Anders, he will be unpunished, which is like agreeing with a terrorist act and telling everyone that everything is fair play if you think your reasons are good, and he may do more things behind your back in the future.

But who actually did that? Anders or Justice? Would Anders have done that without Justice? But it was Anders that got merged with Justice by his own will.

Though decision, huh?

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 03 janvier 2012 - 09:42 .

[esper]

If you don't want to turn your thread into one of the many discussing Anders thread don't ask that question...

Anyway about the Anders/Justice thing then Anders on rival path says that Vengance took over and Anders on friendship path says that it was both Anders and Justice.

As for wherever he was right or wrong, you should know that I am very pro-mage,anti-chantry and agrees with Anders before i continue, thus the following is opinions:

The chantry is not innocent, the templars are at this point still the army of the chantry and Elthina is responsible for Meridith and does nothing which makes her guilty of almost criminal neglect. The chantry is a military instution which makes the building something more than a civilian target.

As for terror. Well that word has a different meaning today than it does in Anders time-frame, espically to us who are on the recieving end of it, but as I see it diplomacy doesn't work for the mages as they have no bargain ground at all. They have to break free and all at once or it would not have succedeed and to do that Anders had to create at fight or die situation for the mages. It is not Kirkwall mages he wants to fight, it is all mages in all circles. The proverb: One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist' comes to mind.