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[AlexXIV]

Yezdigerd wrote...
I really don't know what to say about this. In my world a policeman's job is to save hostages and stop armed robberies, in doing so they risk death and injury, it's part of the job.
In my world military objectives take precedence over the welfare of the soldiers. That is why soldiers die in wars. If this is your version of enlightenment, I'm not surprised you find the renegade path "realistic".
And I never said "at any cost" thats just your hyperbole because your argument is weak.

It is true that policemen and soldiers risk their life for the common good. But they are not obligated to die. They don't need to throw their life away if they feel that a situation is for example hopeless. For example in a robbery when there is only one cop in the bank he is not forced to stop it at all costs. Even if the robbers shoot people. His duty would be to wait for a proper situation to act in which he neither risks other peoples nor his own life. Basically the same with soldiers. Soldiers can be sent on suicide commandos, so to speak. With a mortality rate of 80 or 90 percent. But they are for example not forced to free captives on the risk of their life when there is next to no chance to succeed. Well maybe with the exception that the captive is some sort of important person for national security or the president, etc. The risk of your own life as a soldier or policemen always depends on your own judgement of the situation. You will have to justify your action or inaction later anyway.

[Medhia Nox]

If I believed that the Collector Base would solve TIMs incessant - and incompetent - meddling, I would have given him the base in a heartbeat.

"Here you moron, take this stupid derelict slushie machine and 'reverse engineer' it. We'll be back after we're done actually fighting the Reapers and liberating Earth and see what you've come up with."

Of course - "reverse engineering" is magical in the ME universe - and happens in time frames that serve only the story. But - of course, using that knowledge would be metagaming - and certain BSN goers would NEVER meta-game the usefulness of the Collector Base.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 05 décembre 2011 - 01:57 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
That's because the OP is a troll.

No doubt.

Typical BSN Paragon/internet sheep attitude: "I don't agree with X, so X is a troll."

Looks like I can expect more maturity from a certain imageboard than from you guys.

[DonutsDealer]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
That's because the OP is a troll.

No doubt.

Typical BSN Paragon/internet sheep attitude: "I don't agree with X, so X is a troll."

Looks like I can expect more maturity from a certain imageboard than from you guys.

He is also trolling because this topic is not ME3 related.

Now, to answer the OP: morality paths and personality do not correlate. There are dumb people in both sides as there are smart paragons and renegades. And you can't take 3 or 4 people and take conclussions for all the population, you need a greater sample to do that.

[Medhia Nox]

@Kaiser Shepard: Conversely "I agree with X, so X is extraordinary." is also false.

[AlexXIV]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
That's because the OP is a troll.

No doubt.

Typical BSN Paragon/internet sheep attitude: "I don't agree with X, so X is a troll."

Looks like I can expect more maturity from a certain imageboard than from you guys.

Yeah I never called someone a troll because I disagree. But this is flamebait and a personal attack on members of this board because of their gaming style and opinion on in-game choices. It wouldn't be acceptable against renegade players, and neither is it against paragon players.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 05 décembre 2011 - 03:02 .

[Yezdigerd]

AlexXIV wrote...
It is true that policemen and soldiers risk their life for the common good. But they are not obligated to die.

I never said they were, only that the job by necessity involves the risk, sometimes virtual certainty of death and injury. Shooting every Feros colonists on sight is likely to keep Shepard's squad as safe as possible, Yet I would expect a soldier or policeman to try to save them even though it exposes themselves to greater danger. Which of course isn't the same thing as "obligated to die".

[AlexXIV]

Yezdigerd wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
It is true that policemen and soldiers risk their life for the common good. But they are not obligated to die.

I never said they were, only that the job by necessity involves the risk, sometimes virtual certainty of death and injury. Shooting every Feros colonists on sight is likely to keep Shepard's squad as safe as possible, Yet I would expect a soldier or policeman to try to save them even though it exposes themselves to greater danger. Which of course isn't the same thing as "obligated to die".

Aye, true enough. I didn't mean to advocate shooting them. Just thought I help out in you guys disagreement in this point.

[Labrev]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Typical BSN Paragon/internet sheep attitude: "I don't agree with X, so X is a troll."

Looks like I can expect more maturity from a certain imageboard than from you guys.

Typical renegade die-hard/Cerberus indoctrinated minion attitude: "PARAGORNZ!!!!"

Seriously, just slap that thinking on everything, and you get the die-hards' entire thought-process, always...

"Cerberus are antagonists? - PARAGORNZ!!!"
"No scripped character deaths (other than beloved TIM of course, because when it comes to the one character WE actually care about, it's a whole different story) - PARAGORNZ!!!!"
"Equal treatment along P/R lines? No cake for renegades to have/eat? - PARAGORNZ!!!"

[Someone With Mass]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Typical BSN Paragon/internet sheep attitude: "I don't agree with X, so X is a troll."

Looks like I can expect more maturity from a certain imageboard than from you guys.

Typical renegade die-hard/Cerberus indoctrinated minion attitude: "PARAGORNZ!!!!"

Seriously, just slap that thinking on everything, and you get the die-hards' entire thought-process, always...

"Cerberus are antagonists? - PARAGORNZ!!!"
"No scripped character deaths (other than beloved TIM of course, because when it comes to the one character WE actually care about, it's a whole different story) - PARAGORNZ!!!!"
"Equal treatment along P/R lines? No cake for renegades to have/eat? - PARAGORNZ!!!"

It's also funny how they complain about how there's no diversity when they are equal and when the choices are diverse, they start complaining about how they're not equal.

Ah, joyful circle of complaining.

Oh, and just for the book: Pro-Renegade =/= Pro-Cerberus.

There's a difference.

[Labrev]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You forgot another one of Kaiser's favourites - "pandering to the xenophiles". He brings that one up a lot.

Yeah, and GAYS!!! and all those things too. But it all comes back to the same thing: paragornz.

darkness reborn wrote...

Damn Kaiser, who p***ed in your tea.

This is his normal state. He probably drinks p!ss for tea in the morning.

[Labrev]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's also funny how they complain about how there's no diversity when they are equal and when the choices are diverse, they start complaining about how they're not equal.

Ah, joyful circle of complaining.

Oh, and just for the book: Pro-Renegade =/= Pro-Cerberus.

There's a difference.

It's funniest when you see people argue that keeping the base is the only option who also defend destroying Maelon's data (despite its potential value for fighting the war) because it's "too dangerous." More dangerous than handing over Reaper weapons to a madman?

[Someone With Mass]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
It's funniest when you see people argue that keeping the base is the only option who also defend destroying Maelon's data (despite its potential value for fighting the war) because it's "too dangerous." More dangerous than handing over Reaper weapons to a madman?

Probably because they think that the krogans can somehow be more dangerous than TIM and the ancient machine race that's been wiping out thousands of civilizations for millions of years combined. Somehow.

And their believes to whenever we can defeat the Reapers or not are constantly changing too. 

One moment, it doesn't matter what we do. The other, we must think about what happens after the war.

Funny how that works.

[Someone With Mass]

Because a small cannon and an restricted AI is just the same as a base where the Reapers conducted experiments on several races to find out which ones have the compatibility needed to create a Reaper brain and how to kill those that don't the fastest way possible.

[Labrev]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What is your defense here, that you denied an enemy an asset? Why is Cerberus an enemy? They are your ally in this fight.

Until they become stronger than anything else after the war (thanks to the salvaged tech). Then, it's up to them if they want to continue being your ally or ene-

Oh, sorry. Using logic again. I meant: Bad writing! Bioware! Paragornz!

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That A.I. is pretty potent and it came from studying something that is by all accounts far more dangerous than the Collector base. There is no evidence to date that the Collector base indoctrinates anybody though it presumably houses the machinery to create such technology.

That is why it is so important to study. Understanding how Reaper tech is made will help us understand how it works and thus how we might circumvent it.

Hey, here's an interesting thought:

If they were conducting experiments on different races, why wouldn't they check which ones are the most subjective to indoctrination? That way, they wouldn't have to do it in the middle of a war.

Not to mention that you're missing the point by miles.

[111987]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because a small cannon and an restricted AI...

That A.I. is pretty potent and it came from studying something that is by all accounts far more dangerous than the Collector base. There is no evidence to date that the Collector base indoctrinates anybody though it presumably houses the machinery to create such technology.

That is why it is so important to study. Understanding how Reaper tech is made will help us understand how it works and thus how we might circumvent it.

Then why did TIM not share the Derelict Reaper with the rest of the galaxy? To have a completed Reaper with all of its weapons and shielding intact, and potentially even access to its data archives, would be far more valuable than the Collector Base.

The fact that he did not turn over such an important find to the galaxy suggests to me that regardless of what he found at the Collector Base, he would keep it for himself anyways.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You really think a small group like Cerberus can outshine the established powers of the galaxy?

When those established powers are too busy holding off the Reapers? Yes. I do.

Even something as simple and dumb as Overlord risked crippling the galactic communications network.