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[Dave of Canada]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Whatever the case, this myth needs to die.

Do you honestly believe they'd have spent an entire novel to establish how weak Cerberus was now and somewhat building up the Batarians to being harvested, including adding lines from TIM which includes him considering working with Shepard again, with Cerberus as villains?

So if TIM/Cerberus adopt the Reapers' methods, Shepard really shouldn't support that either

Will Shepard kill the Asari, the Salarians and anybody else who studies the Reapers after the Reaper Invasion?

[Labrev]

laecraft wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

laecraft,

It's pretty clear you know those scenarios for betrayal are all a massive stretch.

Why? Indoctrination can do this to a person. Using it, I can turn any character into a villain. It's a very convenient ME literary device. I don't even need any motivations.

The foreshadowing and the hints are all over the story if you look. You should be distrustful of everyone! Everyone's acting strange. Organics are weak. Every character has a flaw for the Reapers to exploit.

And, in Liara's case, I don't even need indoctrination. It's impossible to miss how merciless and evil she is in LotSB. The material is right here, no need to add or alter anything. In fact, her behavior in LoTSB would finally start making sense if she betrayed Shepard in ME3.

She's not to be trusted, she's lying to Shepard. She's very manipulative, and she's been using her asari mental powers to try and blind Shepard with her charms, to make him do whatever she wants. That's why she beds Shepard so quickly. She's been using Shepard ever since ME1. First to get a safe place, a protection against Saren. Then to get the SB base. Then she needed time as she got a handle on SB resources.

And finally, she doesn't need Shepard anymore. Shepard is one of the few who knows who SB truly is. He has become a liability. She needs to kill him to protect her identity - the last remaining thing of concern that stands between her and the massive galactic slaughter war as she destroys the galaxy side by side with her beloved Feron.

This was a bad idea. Nevermind.

[Seboist]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Speak for yourself, I've never been angered by anything on these boards, especially not by absurd apologetics(which I hope to see more of!).

Projection much?

U mad chubby?

[Ravensword]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

This is the Internet where everyone is right no matter what.

And also wrong every time, all the time.

By the way, I was a man the whole time.

Well, will wonder ever cease?

[Labrev]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Whatever the case, this myth needs to die.

Do you honestly believe they'd have spent an entire novel to establish how weak Cerberus was now and somewhat building up the Batarians to being harvested, including adding lines from TIM which includes him considering working with Shepard again, with Cerberus as villains?

Sorry to cop-out but the novels mean nothing to me. Haven't read them. They're all a lie.

So if TIM/Cerberus adopt the Reapers' methods, Shepard really shouldn't support that either

Will Shepard kill the Asari, the Salarians and anybody else who studies the Reapers after the Reaper Invasion?

Study it?? No, I mean literally use it for reaping.

[AdmiralCheez]

Seboist wrote...

U mad chubby?

Absolutely insane and pleasingly plump as ever, sugarplum.

I feel the need to rant about my love handles.

[Someone With Mass]

Oh, and here's another thing: Cerberus isn't working for the Reapers.

[Xilizhra]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That was low, Seb.

In other news, grass is green.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Whatever the case, this myth needs to die. The fact they warned you about this from the start shows clearly that this is not about fan-pandering as the discontented Kaiser minions insist it is. It was obviously planned from the start.

No, it was not planned from the start. That much is obvious. If I were to concede that is was though then I'd have to say that Bioware did a ****ty job with foreshadowing as usual.

However we know that they didn't plan it because everything we've heard about their development process has talked about how chaotic it is. They make it up as a they go along and they do pander to fans. That's why we got Legion. It's why we got Tali and Garrus and it is why we are getting a Prothean and a body for EDI.

The whole EDI sub-plot in ME3 shows BW has the best interests of it's fanbase of little kids and sexual degenerates at heart. That and Ash's new Ninja Gaiden/DOA inspired outfit.

[AdmiralCheez]

Seboist wrote...

The whole EDI sub-plot in ME3 shows BW has the best interests of it's fanbase of little kids and sexual degenerates at heart. That and Ash's new Ninja Gaiden/DOA inspired outfit.

You've been on these forums, right?

Because that is, like, 99% of the users right there.

I include myself under the sexual degenerate category.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes they are, even if only temporarily.

At that moment, yes, but I thought it was too late for them at that point, anyway.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Whatever the case, this myth needs to die. The fact they warned you about this from the start shows clearly that this is not about fan-pandering as the discontented Kaiser minions insist it is. It was obviously planned from the start.

No, it was not planned from the start. That much is obvious. If I were to concede that is was though then I'd have to say that Bioware did a ****ty job with foreshadowing as usual.

However we know that they didn't plan it because everything we've heard about their development process has talked about how chaotic it is. They make it up as a they go along and they do pander to fans. That's why we got Legion. It's why we got Tali and Garrus and it is why we are getting a Prothean and a body for EDI.

The whole EDI sub-plot in ME3 shows BW has the best interests of it's fanbase of little kids and sexual degenerates at heart. That and Ash's new Ninja Gaiden/DOA inspired outfit.

And yet if you'd gotten to visit TIM's rape dungeon, you'd be squeeing to Hell and back.

[Someone With Mass]

Xilizhra wrote...
And yet if you'd gotten to visit TIM's rape dungeon, you'd be squeeing to Hell and back.

The game is only fun as long as you're the winner.

[Xilizhra]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That was low, Seb.

In other news, grass is green.

I don't follow him much, so I guess I don't know if that's normal beavior for him.


...and since this thread after all is about humorous generalizations, we can now say that renegades all make cheap insults! Right, OP?

Note, I don't actually believe that, I'm just satirizing.

Seboist is a low person in general.

[Labrev]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No, it was not planned from the start. That much is obvious. If I were to concede that is was though then I'd have to say that Bioware did a ****ty job with foreshadowing as usual.

Agreed, it was much too predictable.

Saphra Deden wrote...
However we know that they didn't plan it because everything we've heard about their development process has talked about how chaotic it is. They make it up as a they go along and they do pander to fans. That's why we got Legion. It's why we got Tali and Garrus and it is why we are getting a Prothean and a body for EDI.

If they pander to fans, why are they pissing off huge fanbases at a time? Majority of all of the Miranda, Jack, Thane, Jacob and just about all other ME2 squadmates' fanbases are bummed as hell over not getting them back. I'm sure most fans would much rather have at least one of these back rather than the new additions. Last I checked, EDI isn't ragingly popular amongst fans, even casual ones. More like an afterthought.

Fan-pandering would be including them all, to make everyone happy. Seeing as making everyone happy is clearly not the goal, they are not including everyone. I think the fact they considered the ME2 squad "too large" clearly indicates that they want quality over quantity this go around, at the expense of individual fan factions that would probably prefer the opposite.

[Labrev]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...


I have no counter argument so I'm just going to bow out.

She makes as good a case as Bioware does.

Liara is a ****tily written character post ME1 anyway.

Whattchu talkin 'bout, Willis?

[Medhia Nox]

Seboist is just mad cause he ended up in the "etc" part of the "extraordinary controversials" group.

@EternalAmbiguity: That wasn't a "cheap insult" - it was him being controversial - please understand the vast depth of your average Renegade before making assumptions.

[Labrev]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Fortunately, I have my Saphra-to-English dictionary to help aid my interpretation of your post.

Actually yeah, you are pretty spot on. I provided counter arguments, but you casually threw them out. At that point I'm done. If you are just going to throw out facts there isn't much left to discuss.

It is also somewhat subjective. I think your fears about Cerberus growing into a massive galactic army are silly. There is just no basis for these fears as far as I can see (which is why ME3 is so laughable to me). However you insist on that conclusion so...

What else can I say?

rofl, I missed this post. Actually, I addressed everything you said. About three specific examples from the base alone, none of which you refuted past stating "lol."

I'd repeat them, but you probably won't read it anyway seeing as we're already at the wrong side of the imaginary line between what you read and what you ignore.