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Do Morality Path Choices and Personality traits correlate?


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She makes as good a case as Bioware does.

Liara is a ****tily written character post ME1 anyway.



Whattchu talkin 'bout, Willis?


Yeah, I thought it was always the other way around. I started to care post-ME1.


Fair enough. I can understand that so let me clarify.

When I say Liara is badly written post ME1 I mean that she isn't written as Liara anymore. She is a totally new character. I can understand why you might like this character better because she is a little more energetic and action oriented. The old Liara was gentle, shy, somewhat withdrawn, and the non-confrontational type.

So as I said I consider her badly written because she is out of character all the time now.

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All this flailing about only proves Donnstar right.

Look at this topic. If we are the 'examples' of renegades then his premise is proven.We have Saphra Dedan arguing against a multitude of Paragon sheep, and he is still able to bat them off like flies.Then we got Kaiser, drops one little comment and you guys dive on him like a pack of dogs.

And of course me. Who embodies utter perfection.


You guys are lying to yourselves. Us renegades are miles ahead of this board.  We are on another level. Anyone who disagrees is in denial.

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And this is a small room. Assuming Seboist is in here too, your proof will result in a net loss.


It's large enough to safely deploy a Cain...but too small for both you and me.

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Yes, it's like looking into a mirror, isn't it?


Obviously so, since you're clearly projecting your wild imagination on TIM.

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If we were in the DA2 universe, I would have already Blood Slaved Seboist.



See, this is where the fantasies about a rape dungeon are coming from.

Can't Blood Slave while frozen with a Cone of Cold though.

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Fortunately, a Shepard thinking that likely isn't much of a hero to begin with.


You mean to say, a hero won't be thinking. He'd be too busy doing heroic things. Obviously the devs agree with that.

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I am interested ... how communist and anarchist work together. Nobody may possess property, so we are going to destroy everything. Something along that?

http://en.wikipedia....chist_communism

Ah ok I see, nice idea ... you know, in a world of ideas. Image IPB

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rofl, I missed this post. Actually, I addressed everything you said. About three specific examples from the base alone, none of which you refuted past stating "lol."


You did not refute anything. All you did was repeatedly claim you needed more information, call TIM a liar, and then speculate on Cerberus being the biggest baddies in the galaxy. For ****s sake, you think they can become the same level of danger as the Reapers. That's just ludicrous.

At the very least you must admit that if the Collector base can allow such a small group to become so powerful then surely it has information and technology within that we could desperately use.

What evidence do you have that Cerberus won't also fight the Reapers when they arrive? I don't doubt that they might try to claim a larger slice of the galactic pie in the process, but isn't defeating the Reapers more important?

I'll repeat it again: how can you claim all sources are biased when one of the chief sources is EDI? The information she gives you after her locks are released is information you were not intended to see.

If you don't think Cerberus is actually pro-human then what do you think they are actually working towards? What evidence do you have to support it other than one line with ambiguous meaning?

When TIM scolds Shepard with the "don't presume to understand my methods or my motives" (or however the line goes) he's responding to an accusation by Shepard.

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Zeelx wrote...

All this flailing about only proves Donnstar right.

Look at this topic. If we are the 'examples' of renegades then his premise is proven.We have Saphra Dedan arguing against a multitude of Paragon sheep, and he is still able to bat them off like flies.Then we got Kaiser, drops one little comment and you guys dive on him like a pack of dogs.

And of course me. Who embodies utter perfection.


You guys are lying to yourselves. Us renegades are miles ahead of this board.  We are on another level. Anyone who disagrees is in denial.

Keep telling that to yourselves. Imo you suffer from a heavy case of attention whoring tbh. Which is probably much closer to the truth tbh.

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The attention is a side effect and a nice bonus.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

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Saphra Deden wrote...

She makes as good a case as Bioware does.

Liara is a ****tily written character post ME1 anyway.



Whattchu talkin 'bout, Willis?


Yeah, I thought it was always the other way around. I started to care post-ME1.


Fair enough. I can understand that so let me clarify.

When I say Liara is badly written post ME1 I mean that she isn't written as Liara anymore. She is a totally new character. I can understand why you might like this character better because she is a little more energetic and action oriented. The old Liara was gentle, shy, somewhat withdrawn, and the non-confrontational type.

So as I said I consider her badly written because she is out of character all the time now.

Well people change. What baffles me is that people always advocate 'evolving' characters, but then they argue that 'they are not the same anymore'. I am surely not the same I was 10 years ago. And in 10 years I am not the same I am today. Ok, it were only 2 years, but she went through much. In my case she even lost a loved one ... and got Shepard back. She sure changed, but I wouldn't say the change was that radical that she is not Liara anymore. She is probably a grown up Liara. Life does that to people.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

The attention is a side effect and a nice bonus.

Well you're making yourself a name, while most of us others will be forgotten soon enough. At least that's somethingImage IPB

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Saphra Deden wrote...

The attention is a side effect and a nice bonus.


Which is undoubtedly lacking IRL for you.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

The attention is a side effect and a nice bonus.


Which is undoubtedly lacking IRL for you.

Don't get me wrong bud, but stuff like that doesn't really shine a good light on us.

I mean that's sort of a cheap shot.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 06 décembre 2011 - 08:21 .


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Well people change.


Not to the degree that Liara did. She changed so much they might as well have made a new character entirely. It's just bad story-telling. The rewrote her from the ground up and then lampshaded it.

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I'm better than both groups, can't beat neutrality. "Picking the middle option since November 2007."

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Keep telling that to yourselves. Imo you suffer from a heavy case of attention whoring tbh. Which is probably much closer to the truth tbh.


Why does this board continue to misunderstand me. All you little pups keep sniffing around my crotch.
"Troll" "attention-seeker" "Ahole"


You guys waste your time and mine with this crap. I am simply a BSN member. If I wanted attention, I wouldn't waste time in the biggest fangirl corner on the internet.

Next, I've already trolled the ****** out of this board. I am not doing it anymore. some of you guys just need to get over it.


Lastly, reading some of these posts. Can't debate? HA! Coming from Eternal? I've yet to see this guy post anything even remotely bordering a coherent argument. He only knows how to post off-topic "friendly" banter. He like everyone else has nothing important to add.


I'm starting to think, if it wasn't for me and a couple other members this board would be stagant.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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Well people change.


Not to the degree that Liara did. She changed so much they might as well have made a new character entirely. It's just bad story-telling. The rewrote her from the ground up and then lampshaded it.

Well I'd once again have to ask you for examples. Because I simply don't see which things about Liara changed so much. Maybe I miss something. Are you sure you are not just upset because she changed in a direction you don't like?

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Ravensword wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The attention is a side effect and a nice bonus.


Which is undoubtedly lacking IRL for you.


I generally keep below the radar in real-life.

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Don't get me wrong bud, but stuff like that doesn't really shine a good light on us.


That comment was in line with the rest of the thread and many threads in fact.

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There was indeed a drastic change in liara's personality. All you have to look at is her current occupation

from Relic researcher to shadow broker is a huge mofo' jump.


I like Liara's new personality. Though I liked the old one as well.

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Saph's right. She went from socially awkward archaeologist to power grasping director of the Space CIA overnight.

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Zeelx wrote...

There was indeed a drastic change in liara's personality. All you have to look at is her current occupation

from Relic researcher to shadow broker is a huge mofo' jump.


I like Liara's new personality. Though I liked the old one as well.

Do you think the change was out of character considering what she went through?

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I daresay it's more likely that one thinking the current Cerberus could be salvaged would fall into the category of lacking the first two. I'm more understanding to those who want to rebuild it after destroying it.


Right. So someone who doesn't agree with you is obviously stupid.

*sighs* Why do I even bother? 

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Well I'd once again have to ask you for examples. Because I simply don't see which things about Liara changed so much.


Let's see. In ME1 she was an archeologist. She was shy and and socially awkward. Liara had a very logical mind and was able to rationalize killing her own mother. Afterword she wasn't even that shook up over it, she just moved on. She was not aggressive, she was not some ass-kicking biotic commando.

Then starting with Redemption she can't let Shepard go and she's a badass who can take on the Shadow Broker and his minions. This continues into ME2 where she is also taking on Spectres single-handedly and is apparently a suave and gifted information broker which is a stark contrast to the awkward, bookish young woman from the first game. It's the total opposite in fact.

On the topic of her mother again, doesn't that strike you as odd? She can let her own mother go but she can't let Feron or Shepard go? She's downright obessed with them and with the Shadow Broker. So much so that she got into bed with Cerberus. It's out of character.

You know what Liara would have done after Shepard died? She'd have continued hunting the galaxy for clues about the Reapers and that's how she'd honor Shepard's memory. She would not accept a deal from the outlaw Illusive Man to bring her friend back to life.

Bioware rewrote Liara because they wanted her to stay relevant to the series, but didn't want her to die, and they're apparently idiots. They had no idea what to do with her in ME2. Even her voice actor admitted this. Liara was not suited for the Redemption comic. Just about anybody but her would have been a better choice.

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Zeelx wrote...

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Keep telling that to yourselves. Imo you suffer from a heavy case of attention whoring tbh. Which is probably much closer to the truth tbh.


Why does this board continue to misunderstand me. All you little pups keep sniffing around my crotch.
"Troll" "attention-seeker" "Ahole"


You guys waste your time and mine with this crap. I am simply a BSN member. If I wanted attention, I wouldn't waste time in the biggest fangirl corner on the internet.

Next, I've already trolled the ****** out of this board. I am not doing it anymore. some of you guys just need to get over it.


Lastly, reading some of these posts. Can't debate? HA! Coming from Eternal? I've yet to see this guy post anything even remotely bordering a coherent argument. He only knows how to post off-topic "friendly" banter. He like everyone else has nothing important to add.


I'm starting to think, if it wasn't for me and a couple other members this board would be stagant.

Firstly you should stop thinking of me insulting you or your pals. I state what I consider facts. I call some troll because they are trolling. It is not an insult, it is a fact. If someone makes a speech like you just did I call them attention ****. Because it is a fact. I don't make up ****. I see you are doing it, and I call you out on it.

There is nothing wrong with attention anyway, if that's what you want. And you're doing a good job at it. If just don't like the word **** or troll then I am sorry. I just use it because it is generally used to describe a certain behaviour. I could say attention seeker or entertainer or whatever else.

Bascially you like that people are talking about you, and with you. Deny it if you want. If it gives you something then it is all fine. I am also posting here to make my points, it's not much different. Though I don't expect anyone to remember my name as long as they remember a point if I make one. I am interested in this community because I honestly think that a better community will ulitmately result in better games. And people like you are as important for it as people as me or others.

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I'm better than both groups, can't beat neutrality. "Picking the middle option since November 2007."

So you're like this guy?

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jreezy wrote...

I'm better than both groups, can't beat neutrality. "Picking the middle option since November 2007."

So you're like this guy?

Sounds like me.

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There was indeed a drastic change in liara's personality. All you have to look at is her current occupation

from Relic researcher to shadow broker is a huge mofo' jump.


I like Liara's new personality. Though I liked the old one as well.

Do you think the change was out of character considering what she went through?


Well.


There's no way they could have liara still play the whole nerdy, naive scientist anymore. That would've gotten on my nerves by the second game. Key word here is naive.

BUT!! The change that she should've gone through didn't need to be that big jump. They could've shown a maturing Liara without completely hodge podging her character. 

Also why would someone's death somehow mulitiate your personalitiy? You go through sorrow, your outlook on some things change but your ENTIRE character? Yeah right! Especially since we are dealing with the asari, aren't these the 900 year btchs that have to deal with their friends death often?

No mass. Bioware did Liara wrong.