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[knightnblu]

I have been pondering Shepard's fate for a while now. Williams turned on him, he killed nearly 305,000 non-combatants for a threat that the Alliance doesn't believe exists and he was actively working for Cerberus who is a sworn enemy of the Alliance allegedly fighting the Collectors. Add all of that with the stories that TIM has been circulating in order to break down trust and engender suspicion in Shepard in order to isolate him and you have the situation at the end of ME2.
 
If ME3 takes place six to twelve months after the events of ME2, then that is plenty of time for the Alliance to acquire, try, and imprison Shepard for his actions. The reasons are as follows:
 
1. He was AWOL

2. Because he was AWOL he likely had a hand in the destruction of the SR1 because after his two year absence he re-appeared working for Cerberus

3. If he had a hand in the destruction of the SR1, then he also murdered his crew and destroyed an advanced warship

4. Shepard worked with Cerberus, a known terrorist organization that murdered Alliance personnel, performed assassinations of political figures, corrupted Alliance and Council operations, and ran a death camp while performing medical experimentation on children making Mengele look good by comparison

5. While working with Cerberus, Shepard murdered nearly 305,000 men, women, and children to fight an enemy that the Alliance and Council does not recognize or believes exists

6. Because of 5, the sanity of Shepard must be questioned as the Turian Councilor has suggested in ME2

7. Due to Shepard's recent actions the Alliance now faces a war with the  Batarian Hegemony which will likely result in the loss of millions of lives
 
While the concerted efforts of Hackett and Anderson could delay Shepard's imprisonment, there is no way that they could prevent it. Neither Admiral is high enough in the Alliance to prevent Shepard from facing the charges or strong enough to declare a war on the Batarians.
 
That having been said, time will be working against the Alliance in pursuing criminal charges against Shepard because the Batarians will be howling for blood and vehemently looking for a target to retaliate against. Additionally, Shepard is now an embarrassment and a prolonged trial will only heighten that. Expect a closed military tribunal that will be short and to the point.
 
The price of duty sometimes requires one to be sacrificed for what they believe and Shepard has been indexed to pay that price. I would think that he would be a pariah within the Alliance and viewed at least as bad as Saren for his actions. His only saving grace, if one could call it that, would be the apparent loss of his mind.
 
Shepard has proven himself tough physically, now he must undergo the slings and arrows of mental insults because of his perceived crimes. Does he take it or does he rage against the dying of his reputation? For three years he was been warning everyone who will listen that death is coming. For three years he has been ignored, how will he handle the hostility directed towards him? Being branded a traitor and a terrorist? How will he handle the price of duty?

[CerberusWarrior]

what crimes I want Bioware to have a logical reason as to why Shepard is on trail going by the game's story In ME 2 he died right there that he should not have to answer to the alliance . since they act just like the council did in ME 1 . Bioware has no freaking idea how stupid the ME story is getting

[crimzontearz]

given the fact he was not imprisoned and the fact that by the time ME3 starts the galaxy is *****ing its collective pants as the reapers have finally showed up (kinda justifies his actions in Arrival really......can you imagine the scene? Random batarian goes up to shepard "TERRORIST SCUM! you destroyed a 300 000 people colony"....shepard pulls up an extranet video of the reapers wreaking havoc on earth on his omnitool."yeah......that would have been YOUR colony, followed by the citadel.....followed by the rest of the galaxy")) I think they are going to be weary of him but I sincerely doubt he is gonna be a pariah

[CerberusWarrior]

All the game media sites have given Bioware a pass on the story of Mass Effect well guess what its complete crap that in the 3rd game of a so called trilogy Shepard is playing babysitter dealing with all these issue that could have been dealt with in game 1 and 2 . then in 3rd game deal with the reapers .

[King Minos]

With the Batarian trouble, why is Shepard in an Alliance court? If you commit a crime in Dubai, you will be punished by the Dubai law. So why isn't Shepard being done by Batarian law? The murder of x amount of Batarians was in Batarian space.

[CerberusWarrior]

King Minos wrote...

With the Batarian trouble, why is Shepard in an Alliance court? If you commit a crime in Dubai, you will be punished by the Dubai law. So why isn't Shepard being done by Batarian law? The murder of x amount of Batarians was in Batarian space.

   


well all good questions that Bioware has no interest in answering. first off why is Shepard back with the alliance in 3 .

[TomY90]

technically Shepard is exempt for any court case if he/she is still a spectre because they can do anything they wish (granted they are not allowed to join cerberus) but there records are heavily classified so the odds of getting intel is pretty hard to get hold of.

Shepard was also not responsible for the destruction of the SR-1 Normandy it was the Collectors/Reapers (also only 14 causalities so the alliance won't be too upset about that) also was not AWOL shepard was declared KIA (Killed In Action)

They will be more interested in where has Shepard been, why did you join cerberus and why in the world did you kill over 300,000 barbarians and caused a near war occur. 

Shepards original report also got "lost" by admiral Hackett and there is barely any evidence that Shepard was there, all there is some very fuzzy audio, dark security footage.

I think Shepard will be fine one way or another just depends on how good you have been with the alliance and being a spectre and did not truly support cerberus.

On Shepard's sanity that might come up but he can say you can do tests on me you will see I am mentally stable and the same commander shepard you all know.

Modifié par TomY90, 04 décembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[Zanallen]

Shepard wasn't AWOL. He was declared killed in action. For all intents and purposes, he was dead. The SR-1 was destroyed in the same altercation in which he was killed. There are numerous witnesses to its destruction. He was on a mission from the Council, or possibly the Alliance, to seek out Geth at the time of the attack.

[King Minos]

TomY90, actually not all Shepards are Spectres, there are members here who are not spectres, me included. So where does the leave us? As soon as Shepard died, they are not part of the Alliance or Spectres. And where did you get the idea that Spectres are able to do what they want and not get punished? Saren was in court for allegations of the attack on Eden Prime? Your wrong.

[DonutsDealer]

Shepard will be fine. The trial is more of an investigation and remember that after that he returns to the Alliance. So no, I doubt that he'll be punished for anything of that. Also Shepard has the support of Hackett who seems to be an important member of the Alliance fleet and he could still be a spectre which would protect him.

[King Minos]

The Alliance should not even be involved as the Alliance never ordered Shepard to infiltrate the prison. Shepard should of been done for terrorism and mass genocide IN a Batarian court.

[Gespenst]

knightnblu wrote...

I have been pondering Shepard's fate for a while now. Williams turned on him, he killed nearly 305,000 non-combatants for a threat that the Alliance doesn't believe exists...

I don't imagine that the trial is going to go particularly well for Shepard. But as we know from the trailers exhibit A is going to be making a fairly dramatic entrance.

...There's a principle of law... the archetypal example is where a doctor has administered pain relief to a patient but by administering it he has shortened the patient's life by a small amount of time (hours or days) but his action is rendered not an unlawful killing when on the face of it it would be (I could not have explaind that more poorly). I'm not quite sure how it could be applied to asteroids but it might be worth running anyway.

knightnblu wrote...

then that is plenty of time for the Alliance to acquire, try, and imprison Shepard for his actions.

They don't have to try to capture Shepard. At least not my Shepard. They just have to ask.

I don't know if they could capture Shepard against his will... I mean the Normandy is currently the most advanced (non-reaper) space ship in the galaxy - if not the most powerful. It can hide better than anything in space and it can outrun anything it can't outright destroy. They only problem then is re-supply.

But that's no way to win a war. Even renegade Shepards would probably give themselves up just so that they could have a chance to try to convince the alliance.

knightnblu wrote...

1. He was AWOL

He was KIA. I don't think you need leave to die, strictly speaking.

knightnblu wrote...

2. Because he was AWOL he likely had a hand in the destruction of the SR1 because after his two year absence he re-appeared working for Cerberus

They know how the Normandy was destroyed. They have dozens of witnesses and they probably have the Normandy's sensor recordings... they probably think the geth did it but then again they probably think the geth are responsible when their socks go missing.

knightnblu wrote...

7. Due to Shepard's recent actions the Alliance now faces a war with the  Batarian Hegemony which will likely result in the loss of millions of lives
 
While the concerted efforts of Hackett and Anderson could delay Shepard's imprisonment, there is no way that they could prevent it. Neither Admiral is high enough in the Alliance to prevent Shepard from facing the charges or strong enough to declare a war on the Batarians.

You can't get much higher than Hackett or Anderson (humanity's representative to the interplanetary government). The problem is that it's not a matter for discretion. The only reason I think Hackett mentioned delaying the trial was because you could do Arrival before the suicide mission (even if it doesn't make sense):

"Do whatever you have to do out here but when earth calls you make sure you're there with your dress blues on ready to take the hit."

 They'd probably just shoot Shepard if they thought it would prevent war with the batarans.

[Selene Moonsong]

knightnblu wrote...

 
If ME3 takes place six to twelve months after the events of ME2, then that is plenty of time for the Alliance to acquire, try, and imprison Shepard for his actions. The reasons are as follows:
 
1. He was AWOL

Actually, missing in action, presumed dead.  Missing in action and AWOL are two very different statuses.

2. Because he was AWOL he likely had a hand in the destruction of the SR1 because after his two year absence he re-appeared working for Cerberus

Again, s/he was listed as missing in action, presumed dead. I don't see where the assumption can be made that s/he had a hand in the destruction of SR1.

 
3. If he had a hand in the destruction of the SR1, then he also murdered his crew and destroyed an advanced warship

Repeat answer to 1 & 2

4. Shepard worked with Cerberus, a known terrorist organization that murdered Alliance personnel, performed assassinations of political figures, corrupted Alliance and Council operations, and ran a death camp while performing medical experimentation on children making Mengele look good by comparison

True, s/he came back working for Cerberus and at the end, left Cerberus with their ship and his team and crew who vountarily followed  her/him. The 'quick end' to that relationship is exactly what the council wanted. 

5. While working with Cerberus, Shepard murdered nearly 305,000 men, women, and children to fight an enemy that the Alliance and Council does not recognize or believes exists

6. Because of 5, the sanity of Shepard must be questioned as the Turian Councilor has suggested in ME2.

Depending on how you played Arrival, you may have tried to warn the Batarians, but your transmissions were cut off and you were still acting with the full authority of a Spectre.

7. Due to Shepard's recent actions the Alliance now faces a war with the  Batarian Hegemony which will likely result in the loss of millions of lives

That is exactly why Shepard is hauled in for the incident for a hearing (not the same as a trial).
 

While the concerted efforts of Hackett and Anderson could delay Shepard's imprisonment, there is no way that they could prevent it. Neither Admiral is high enough in the Alliance to prevent Shepard from facing the charges or strong enough to declare a war on the Batarians.

Since Andersson is the Human Council member in my playthroughs, Anderson does have some pull with the council, and would still have some pull with Udina if Udina was chosen.

As to the rest, that depends on how you play your Shepard, I would think.

Since they only get up to the point of a hearing prior to the Reaper attack, there will likely be no repurcussions and in fact would prove Shepard out anyway.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 04 décembre 2011 - 06:30 .

[MissFish]

stupid submit button...

Modifié par MissFish, 04 décembre 2011 - 06:44 .

[MissFish]

King Minos wrote...

TomY90, actually not all Shepards are Spectres, there are members here who are not spectres, me included. So where does the leave us? As soon as Shepard died, they are not part of the Alliance or Spectres. And where did you get the idea that Spectres are able to do what they want and not get punished? Saren was in court for allegations of the attack on Eden Prime? Your wrong.

Saren was in council court, not Turian court. Spectere's answer to the council, so they can bring him in.

Even a reinstated Sheard can't get out of this. She wasn't ever publicly acknowldged as a Spectere, or even as alive.
Mr. Airquotes won't be taking responsibility for the murder's of 300,000 batarians, no matter who commited them, or how many people they saved.

[matt-bassist]

 he wasn't AWOL ******. he was KIA. that's 2 completely different things...

[knightnblu]

matt-bassist wrote...

 he wasn't AWOL ******. he was KIA. that's 2 completely different things...

From the perspective of the Alliance Shepard was MIA and presumed dead. However, when he was found working for Cerberus two years after the destruction of the Normandy SR1 he was no longer MIA, but apparently AWOL because he never contacted the Alliance during that two years.

Your comment not only shows that you are metagaming, but that you are also inconsiderate of other people and their opinions if they disagree with your position and I for one don't appreciate it and speaks to your lack of character as a human being.

[Arkitekt]

knightnblu wrote...

1. He was AWOL

2. Because he was AWOL he likely had a hand in the destruction of the SR1 because after his two year absence he re-appeared working for Cerberus

Man that was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh!! 

Ahhh these trolls nowadays ...

[Harmless Citizen]

That was unacceptable.

[Gespenst]

knightnblu wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

 he wasn't AWOL ******. he was KIA. that's 2 completely different things...

From the perspective of the Alliance Shepard was MIA and presumed dead. However, when he was found working for Cerberus two years after the destruction of the Normandy SR1 he was no longer MIA, but apparently AWOL because he never contacted the Alliance during that two years.

Your comment not only shows that you are metagaming, but that you are also inconsiderate of other people and their opinions if they disagree with your position and I for one don't appreciate it and speaks to your lack of character as a human being.

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

Shepard was seen onboard the Normandy moments before it was blown up. His body was never found. Given that  a preasure suit can only hold so much oxygen the only logical conclusion is that he was killed.

Given that he's alive that was aparetnly incorrect. In that case all Shepard has to say is

"I was in a coma for two years after being blown up. Also I'm a goddamn Spectre and I'm a little busy right now. Go play with your toy soldiers while the adults get back to saving the galaxy"

...That's probably a renegade interrupt.

[CerberusWarrior]

The PLC wrote...

The price of Duty is something you have to be prepared to pay...
... When you answer the Call of Duty!

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

   


you think its funny the men and women of the US military pay a price for the duty they do either being permant injuried or dieing on the battlefield .

[Harmless Citizen]

That was totally what he was mocking and the above post is not missing an obvious pun at all.

[CerberusWarrior]

Random Nobody wrote...

That was totally what he was mocking and the above post is not missing an obvious pun at all.

  


Its real easy to make jokes when there are men and women paying a price everyday of their lives to defend this country and the freedoms we have here in the US .  I am not going to let some sh*t on the price of duty that our soldiers pay for what they do